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Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum?
    #670977 - 06/10/02 05:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I've noticed that there's a majority of discussion in the political forum that have absolutly nothing to do with politics rather a majority of kook ball theories and conspiracies. While i do recognize that this forum is wide spreading and Politics is broader for different people, they have the right to post whatever they want no matter how much it is rooted in ignorance. I can understand that there is a lull in hard-hitting political turmoil but can someone please (without cutting and pasting a book) discuss an actual political problem, solution or situation?

I realize i should practice what i preach so later today i'll try to start some sort of debate that will actually provoke thought, or at the very least piss people off ....right now my brain hurts and i can't think


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #671008 - 06/10/02 05:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

that's definitely a good idea, you should be able to do the job, after all it's your suggestion! So I guess all us conspiracy theorists can and will anxiously await some political theory that is rooted in absolute fact soon from you. I know I can throw in some useless pablem argument against or for your educated arguments.

In the meantime here are some platform suggestions of my House:

1. FDA regulation of biotech foods, (make it law to identify farmed goods as biotech stock, organic stock, etc.)

2. Military Spending Reform, in payroll, weapons development, nuclear deproliferation, also in Accounting Methods (Some departments would lie about surpluss goods, so that their paperwork is easier, extra goods often ended up with the military unit, or commander in charge of ordering)

2. Adoption Law Reform

3. "Instant Run off" election reform

3. Campaign Finance Reform (make all poltical parties have intense audits, into shell companies, etc, also to have all hard/soft money contributions available to the general public)

4. Social Security Reform (dismantle this system, and put in it';s place nothing. Have all current cases resolved, but make all new person's (16-18) not accountable ever for Social Security.

5. Public Infrastructure Reform (Free Nationwide Healthcare, School system Reform (curriculum reform, Schools in the Countryside program iniatiation

6. International Policy Reform, reform diplomacy to lift current trade embargos, in exchange for arms reduction and peace.

7. International Aid in Hydroponic systems, ocean nutrient industrialization, desaltinization plants, and water pumps.

8. Government Subsidies for the Solar Power Industry

9. U.s. support of U.n. impeaching Sharon on war crimes.

10. Land Reform, (the cost of private farmers to compete with american farming conglamerates has become a problem)

11. Law Reform for political party equal representation, some states have laws that do not allow third parties to run for local office. This is not democratic.

12. Environmental Law Reform, higher fines, specific statutes regarding new areas of research, such as bulkhead elimination and removal

13. Tax Law Reform, make lawyers accountable to reasonable jail times and fines, to their offense, is noted that Enron's lawyer took millions of dollars, in exchange for a 500000 fine, and 5 years in jail. I might have took the same deal also, since the government does not appopriately address this issue.

14. Legalization of all drugs, specialized ethno botanists will control licsenses and education regarding growing and consumption of ethno botanicals or "drugs", other specific ethno botanical extracts, and chemical changed extracts will have to be licsensed by their creators.

15. Government Reform on national grant money, any surplus that can be used for grants should be given back to the people, rather then forced charity to government friend's charities.


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #671102 - 06/10/02 06:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

***after all it's your suggestion***

and i mentioned that...keep up

****So I guess all us conspiracy theorists can and will anxiously await some political theory that is rooted in absolute fact soon from you****

theory cannot be based on absolute fact....keep up

***I know I can throw in some useless pablem argument against or for your educated arguments.****

that i am sure you could do.



1. FDA regulation of biotech foods....boring but atleast on topic. How many know about bio-engineered food?

2. Military Spending Reform...This one sounds good
2. Adoption Law Reform....Adoption Law reform is hardly political IMHO but merely a social issue.
3. "Instant Run off" election reform...sounds like a bitter soution to what was not boroke but this is on point i would love to discuss it
3. Campaign Finance Reform ...YAWN....but on topic
4. Social Security Reform ...I like the social security topic because half the people on this board don't even realize how much money we are losing by keeping it in its current state. .
5. Public Infrastructure Reform (Free Nationwide Healthcare, School system Reform (curriculum reform, Schools in the Countryside program iniatiation...this is your best idea yet, you have been paying attention
6. International Policy Reform...how about the US becoming isolationists?
7. International Aid in Hydroponic systems...or rather leave other countries alone to figure it out for themselves by not sending 1 dollar. You can discover hydroponics on the internet
8. Government Subsidies for the Solar Power Industry..Bad idea but on topic
9. U.s. support of U.n. impeaching Sharon on war crimes. - better yet dimantling the U.N. and nuking the palastinians.
10. Land Reform - are you talking about farm substancies?..or better put "Farm welfare"
11. Law Reform for political party equal representation, some states have laws that do not allow third parties to run for local office. This is not democratic.
12. Environmental Law Reform, higher fines, specific statutes regarding new areas of research, such as bulkhead elimination and removal - I would love to talk about this and expose all the holes in the environmental wacko's arguments
13. Tax Law Reform, - this is a good one
14. Legalization of all drugs, -you'd be preaching to the choir
15. Government Reform on national grant money, any surplus that can be used for grants should be given back to the people, rather then forced charity to government friend's charities - wow you sure aren't sounding socialist anymore...did you just get a job

My only problem with this is that a lot of people would rather discuss the governments grand plan to take over the world while haveing absolutly no evidence to back it up.


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #671554 - 06/10/02 11:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

1. About Bio food, not many people know, but a strong propaganda from a political party in endorsement of this new FDA regulation, might draw attention to the studies.

2. Instant run off is important, because I think the people will come to the conclusion that billion dollar pre polls and first run elections are a waste of taxpayer's money.

3. The u.s. should never become isolationist, a healthy world economy depends on a healthy amount of capitilist trade.

4. Kashmir is actually the birthplace of hydroponics, however the trend of scientific study in that area expanded, and it seems that scientists everywhere know about this technology, however they don't have the funding to implement it everywhere, because their has to be investment in a solar powerd water system.

5. Why do you think government subsidies are a bad idea, or just solar power subsidy? Do you believe we should all have national votes on these sensitive issues, specifically on all government subsidy?

6. Farm Welfare is a good idea. As I can farm, but I don't own a farm, methods of government education or distributation of land can be done. If the government granted me money to work as a farmer, I could organize enough farmers and smart farming to make Hawaii a self sufficient farming community. Just replace every fancy palm tree, with a fruit tree, (exaggeration, but you get the point)

7. Did'nt we already discuss bulkheads in depth, and you still believe that they should be allowed legal?


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #671649 - 06/10/02 12:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"1. FDA regulation of biotech foods, (make it law to identify farmed goods as biotech stock, organic stock, etc.) "

Yes another useless law to add to our oversized government.

"2. Military Spending Reform..."

Now by reform do you mean making the military function finacially better or do you mean take a hatchet to our military and cut it down?

"2. Adoption Law Reform "

Why?
You lost count here this is supposed to be 3.

"3. "Instant Run off" election reform "

I think we should stick to what the founding fathers created and works.

"3. Campaign Finance Reform (make all poltical parties have intense audits, into shell companies, etc, also to have all hard/soft money contributions available to the general public) "

Spoken like a true Green Party member.
You lost count again.

"4. Social Security Reform (dismantle this system, and put in it';s place nothing. Have all current cases resolved, but make all new person's (16-18) not accountable ever for Social Security. "

I agree for the most part.

"5. Public Infrastructure Reform (Free Nationwide Healthcare, School system Reform (curriculum reform, Schools in the Countryside program iniatiation "

No. Your speaking of socialism. Your telling me Big Brother has to protect me and keep me healthy by paying for my health problems. Your telling me I have to be taxed out the ass to support your "free" health care. Your telling me I shouldn't have a choice as to doctor. Your telling doctors they shouldn't bother trying to be better and more inventive doctors because there's no extra incentive(more money) for it. This is NOT the way to go. Look at Canada..how much for a pack of smokes up there? How much for beer? What happens if I'm healthy all my life and never have to go to the doctor? Should I have to pay for everyone else's trouble? NO I should not.

"6. International Policy Reform, reform diplomacy to lift current trade embargos, in exchange for arms reduction and peace. "

We have those embargo's for good reasons. Plus not everyone is going to agree to arms reduction and peace just to get rid of a U.S. embargo. Not everyone in the world is a kiss a tree liberal like you.

"7. International Aid in Hydroponic systems, ocean nutrient industrialization, desaltinization plants, and water pumps. "

Here's a better idea. Let's use the billions upon billions it would take to do such a thing and help out own country and let other countries improve themselves WITHOUT our aid.

"8. Government Subsidies for the Solar Power Industry "

To promote solar power eh. Let promoters of solar power do it themselves. Let's not waste tax dollars doing it for them.

"9. U.s. support of U.n. impeaching Sharon on war crimes. "

Why? Because YOU think he deserves it? The U.N. couldn't impeach Sharon if they wanted to. Only Israel itself could do that.

"10. Land Reform, (the cost of private farmers to compete with american farming conglamerates has become a problem) "

Competition is healthy. Competition promotes newer and better products. Why take from those that succeed?

"11. Law Reform for political party equal representation, some states have laws that do not allow third parties to run for local office. This is not democratic. "

Which states?

"12. Environmental Law Reform, higher fines, specific statutes regarding new areas of research, such as bulkhead elimination and removal "

How high do you want to raise the fines? What specific statutes are you talking about. What is "bulkhead" removal? Removing ship bulkheads? Perhaps you mean bulk.

"13. Tax Law Reform, make lawyers accountable to reasonable jail times and fines, to their offense, is noted that Enron's lawyer took millions of dollars, in exchange for a 500000 fine, and 5 years in jail. I might have took the same deal also, since the government does not appopriately address this issue. "

I think your just jealous your not able to squeeze out of legal situations as easily as a schooled lawyer. I don't care much for lawyers either, but everyone has to make a living and everyone needs a lawyer sometime.

"14. Legalization of all drugs..."

I covered this in another thread you created awhile back. I'm sure you recall it .

"15. Government Reform on national grant money, any surplus that can be used for grants should be given back to the people, rather then forced charity to government friend's charities. "

Wait a minute you were just wanting to basically give grants to other countries to create hydroponics and desalinization plants, subsidies(grants) to the solar power industry, and maybe uncometitive farmers too. Let's give the money to be used for these things back to the people too.



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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #672397 - 06/10/02 10:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

1. FDA regulation of Biotech is needed in direct relation of Land Reform. Private Industry is using unefficient fertilizer, which destroys farmland's ablity to regenerate. This fertilizer yields big yields, but leaves the land in poor condition. It's basically a raping of the land, good famers would never subject thier land to these conditions. A good way to promote organic food, is by making labeling neccessary.

2. The military reform, is based on a ex military man, I met who says exactly what I said, that the military is continouly writing off surplus, as used, to avoid paperwork, this is wasteful.

4. Instand Run off Elections are in fact more near to original elections. They eliminate polls, and more then one election.

5. Maybe socialized health care is'n the awser, but I only suggest it for our current government. Our current capitilst government is having problems with evenly distributing wealth, so that certain people cannot afford health care.

Schools in the Countryside is Cuban's solution to the School System. They provide grammer and high school to all kids who want to go. They go to school farm half day, learn other half. This makes schools self sufficent. In no way should kids be forced to attend these schools, however if a government should have a public school system this is it.

this is not socialist, this is a prime example of non government interference in a privately regulated education system.

6. International policy reform can work. It just needs to be tried, lazy fuckers like Bush won't even get off their ass to meet with Arafat. It shows a true ignorance.

7.We promote plastic use, oil use, I only I'm suggesting a better alternative for our government to promote, if indeed proming needs to be done.

8. About grant money, I believe no grant money is better, however for our system, I only suggest subsitution for the already stupid use, If in fact our government forces fundrasing, then let the use it for the most important charitable issues.




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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #672443 - 06/11/02 12:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

While your entire post was laughable, I'll respond to this one point:

In reply to:

Maybe socialized health care is'n the awser, but I only suggest it for our current government. Our current capitilst government is having problems with evenly distributing wealth, so that certain people cannot afford health care.




Evenly distribute wealth? Why should worker A who is a lazy ass who was too foolish to make something of himself, be the recipient of the same wealth as worker B who took the time, was willing to take some risks,and who works harder? Where then is the incentive to, lets say, go and spend years in medical school while another spends his days and nights watching TV?

If people want more things, such as health care and other perks, then they should work for them. To expect me to pay for others health care, and to distribute my money, which I worked hard to accumulate, smacks of another political system you may be familiar with.

As a final thought this morning, why should Bush meet with a terrorist asshole as long as the terrorist asshole makes no real attempt to stop the murdering bombers from Palestinian areas?


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #672586 - 06/11/02 05:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

****FDA regulation of Biotech is needed in direct relation of Land Reform. Private Industry is using unefficient fertilizer****

What "inefficient fertilizer" are you speaking of?

****which destroys farmland's ablity to regenerate. This fertilizer yields big yields, but leaves the land in poor condition. It's basically a raping of the land, good famers would never subject thier land to these conditions****

You've heard of crop rotation haven't you?

****2. The military reform, is based on a ex military man, I met who says exactly what I said, that the military is continouly writing off surplus, as used, to avoid paperwork, this is wasteful.*****

so we should believe what some of your "buddies" think because they said it...sounds like another one of your world bank buddies..THINK FOR YOURSELF

****4. Instand Run off Elections are in fact more near to original elections. They eliminate polls, and more then one election****

no they're not. The way the elections are today are pretty similar to those of the founding father days (with the exeption of the nationwide perspective, TV, Media coverge)

****5. Maybe socialized health care is'n the awser, *****

No shit.........

****but I only suggest it for our current government. Our current capitilst government is having problems with evenly distributing wealth, so that certain people cannot afford health care.****

one word: SOCIALISM....ie: distribution of hard working people's money

****.....Cuban's solution to the School System....They provide grammer and high school to all kids who want to go ****

this is the only statement that has any validity, however even though the Cuban education system is quite powerful, children have no choice but to go. While this sounds good on the surface there is a trade-off. Great education and no human rights

****this is not socialist, this is a prime example of non government interference in a privately regulated education system. ****

yes it is, Cuba is a socialist state. The socialist doctrine is taught along with worship of Castro.

*****International policy reform can work. It just needs to be tried, lazy fuckers like Bush won't even get off their ass to meet with Arafat. It shows a true ignorance.****

Arafat is a scumbag. he has no legitamatcy(sp). He needs to be killed along with the rest of those palastinian cowards that feel the need to kill inocent children.

****7.We promote plastic use, oil use, I only I'm suggesting a better alternative for our government to promote, if indeed proming needs to be done****

And what would they promote? Neccesity is th mother of invention. Anytime the government becomes involed with anything it will fail.

Nugsarenice, where do you get youer info from? Where you raised in a socialist environment?

I think Ralph Nadar is going to be mad at you



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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #672614 - 06/11/02 05:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

About your comparison, it can be argued the other way also, so you in no way provided a definite solution. I can argue also that why should worker a (bush jr.) receive the golden spoon from birth, expensive doctors, etc. while worker B (a construction worker) recieve poor or no health care, while actually doing hard work. Our capitilism is regulated, i only suggests solutions to the problem.


Do you know arafat personally? Then how do you know he is a terrorist asshole. Maybe you should dig your head out of the t.v. propagandized world you live in, and get some original thought. For me, a guy reading a teleprompted script reviewed by several agencies such as the ONDCP, and FCC, does'nt leave me satsified. Or have me trust translations.

Just curious, luvdemshrooms,do you have health care? Does your employer provide health care? What do you do when you need expensive medical treatment?




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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #672620 - 06/11/02 05:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

How about chemical fertilizers. These are applied to the soil, and do not provide a a soil environment similar to a true soil, with life. Also a very good example is the Dole, and Del Monte Pineapple plantations. They use a synthetic nitrogen fertilizer that comes from coal. regular nitrogen is from seaweed compost, and others. Can you believe it is cheaper for them to burn coal, then collect seaweed!
This synthetic nitrogen eliminates life in the soil, and pollutes the environment, and uses a limited fossil fuel.

"With the exception of nationwide perspective, etc" This is what needs to be eliminated, Unless you agree with paying millions of tax dollars to this unneeded cause.

Instead of critisizing the cuban school system, why don't you recognize that the idea is good. We can implement their basic idea, with different methods. The best of both worlds.

I was raised in a "socialist environment" you could say. when I was young I agreed with Castro's revolution, so many teachers, americans, disagreed with my philosophy. I don't know why I did'nt have the love for the Kennedy family or the United Fruit corporations, that you and most americans have.

I don't personally know Ralph Nader, or where my views stand with the Green Party. If you know Ralph Nader, and his views disagree with mine, then maybe I need to find another political party to endorse. However, as the Green Party still is the only party for peace, and hemp legalization, two of the strongest issues available. I will continue to support them.






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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #672846 - 06/11/02 09:26 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"About your comparison, it can be argued the other way also, so you in no way provided a definite solution. I can argue also that why should worker a (bush jr.) receive the golden spoon from birth, expensive doctors, etc. while worker B (a construction worker) recieve poor or no health care, while actually doing hard work. Our capitilism is regulated, i only suggests solutions to the problem."

So if I become rich through my own hard work should my family not recieve the benifit? I don't buy the golden spoon from birth bit. If a family becomes rich from their own buisness..work..etc. then they should be able to benifit from it..including sons and daughters. You wanting to distribute this wealth to ALL is basically Communism. Communists believe all are equal(just as long as you do what they say)...none should be wealthy to a communist.
Your just jealous of those who have more money than you is all. I am too, but I don't want to rob their earnings and give it to myself like a common thief. I'd rather work for it and hope that someday I too can work for and create my own wealth.

"Do you know arafat personally? Then how do you know he is a terrorist asshole. Maybe you should dig your head out of the t.v. propagandized world you live in, and get some original thought. For me, a guy reading a teleprompted script reviewed by several agencies such as the ONDCP, and FCC, does'nt leave me satsified. Or have me trust translations."

Ok..so where do you get your info? The media in the United States is NOT censored. I still have a dislike for the media here though because they are largely liberal tilted...and it shows in many of their reports. One can see through their bullshit liberal slant to things though luckily.

I think you need to take some CP to calm your mind, nugsarenice.




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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #672871 - 06/11/02 09:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"The media in the United States is NOT sensored"...that statement alone shows how little you know about the world outside the U.S.


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Rono]
    #672888 - 06/11/02 10:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

****"The media in the United States is NOT sensored"...that statement alone shows how little you know about the world outside the U.S. *****

I don't neccessarily agree with this statement but surely you have an incident where the media was censored...proof perhaps?

I don't like this "Americans don't think outside its borders" argument that people on this board like to use as a default response..it shows lack of the thinking process. I've been to more countries than a lot of people on this site and i'll be honest with you, i haven't been too impressed with other countries or their media


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #672905 - 06/11/02 10:22 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sure...I would be more than happy to include examples...

I'm sure G.C. will critisize me for using someone elses data...but here is an excellent link. I'm not saying by any means that the U.S. is the only country to censor it's media, because I'm sure most do...I'm just trying to make the point that Censorship DOES happen in the U.S. despite what many think.
Top 25 censored stories of 2001

How many of those stories were you aware of?...none?...my point exactly.

Or more recently..how about Bill Maher getting muzzled for his statements?..Censorship at it's finest.

And I apologize for giving the impression that Americans don't know the world outside the U.S., because many do...unfortunately the majority doesn't.


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #672970 - 06/11/02 11:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Unfortunately there is a giant conspiracy to take over the U.S, destroy the constitution and destroy the culture which built this country. The conspirators all have something in common, they believe themselves to be imbued with a special knowledge of what is best for everybody in society, they believe that they can run our lives better then we can as individuals. They are arrogant, self righteous, economically myopic and the most dangerous threat to liberty the world has ever known. One variety, The National Socialists, took over and then replaced the Weimar Republic, another type, the Communists created the Soviet Union.

They try to replace traditional religion with an undying devotion and blind faith in the state as a more "pragmatic" and "realistic" god which they worship every chance they get. In the name of religious freedom, they do all in their power to squelch any religious convictions save for those that are sufficiently compliant to the state.

They despise individualism and worship the collective. They view all individuals as sacrificial animals to used as a means to the end of what they consider the "greater good."

They will deprive you of the means to defend yourself in the name of safety.

They will deprive you of the fruits of your labor in the name of economic security.

They will take your children from you and make them spend their formative years in special indoctrination facilities that they ironically call "schools," but which very seldom impart the proper intellectual foundations for living a self sufficient and rational life.

Know them by their arguments, for they are filled with emotionalism and obfuscation, they redefine words to suite their purposes and ignore rational discourse or show outright hostility to it. Logic is met by cries of "mean spirited," "selfish," "extremist," or some other epithet meant to slander the individual instead of addressing the argument. Their "solutions" to most perceived problems are usually composed of expending large sums of extorted money with no accountability and no regards to actual results. Good intentions mean everything to them, lack of results never hinder their calls for more intervention in the affairs of others or more money being taken from the producers.

Concepts such as honor, fidelity, truthfulness, thrift, hard work, and personal responsibility are foreign to them. These ideas are held in contempt, for they can get in the way of their plots to change the world to their visions of utopia.

They go by various names, Progressives, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Democrats or Greens, some even call themselves Republicans. They are enemies of the republic and enemies of liberty.


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: ]
    #672974 - 06/11/02 11:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

An excellent post...thank you.


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Rono]
    #672991 - 06/11/02 11:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

#1: World Bank and Multinational Corporations Seek to Privatize Water
They want to do that near where i live

#2: OSHA Fails to Protect U.S. Workers
This is censored? I thought everyone knew this?

#3: U.S. Army’s Psychological Operations Personnel Worked at CNN?
Psychological Operations is common knowledge in the military, i should know i was involved in some

#4: Did the U.S. Deliberately Bomb the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade?
I don't believe this is true i have to see proof

#5: U.S. Taxpayers Underwrite Global Nuclear Power Plant Sales
I don't know much about this but again i want to know which ones? Are you talking about those in N. Korea?

#6: International Report Blames U.S. and Others for Genocide in Rwanda
This is total fabrication because the Genocide was happening well before the U.S. got involved

#7: Independent Study Points to Dangers of Genetically Altered Foods
I heard this on the news and there hasn't been a lot of prudent evidence that this is in fact dangerous

#8: Drug Companies Influence Doctors and Health Organizations to Push Meds
This is common knowledge as i am involved in the HR field where benefits are designed at times to favor certain drugs. By using these certain drugs over others some employees receive a discount on their premium. This is not censored material....maybe in Canada.

#9: EPA Plans to Disburse Toxic/Radioactive Wastes into Denver’s Sewage System
the EPA is in its own world and i don't live near Denver so i haven't heard this

#10: Silicon Valley Uses Immigrant Engineers to Keep Salaries Low
Are you surprised at this? This too has been on the news. Silicon Valley had hired many immigrants from India to fill in tech positions at a pay rate Americans would work.

#11: United Nations Corporate Partnerships—A Human Rights Peril
What Human rights peril? the UN itself is a joke and most Americans aren't surprised

#12: Cuba Leads the World in Organic Farming
What crop? Cuba is mostly known for their Sugar farms and production.

#13: The World Trade Organization is an Illegal Institution
This is an opinion..not fact

#14: Europe Holds Companies Environmentally Responsible, Despite U.S. Opposition
Like i've said, i've been to Europe and it's as dirty as most inter-city neighborhoods...have you been to Europe the people pollute more than the companies do.

#15: Gerber Uses the WTO to Suppress Laws that Promote Breastfeeding
i'd like to see the evidence about this..ha

#16: Human Genome Project Opens the Door to Ethnically Specific Bioweapens
tin foil required...i'm not saying it's not fact but..nevermind

#17: IMF and World Bank Staff Tightly Connected to New Yugoslav Government
and?

#18: Indigenous People Challenge Private Ownership and Patenting of Life
where? what country?

#19: U.S. Using Dangerous Fungus to Eradicate Coca Plants in Colombia
If this is true i'm opposed but have no knowledge, not due to censorship rather lack of interest

#20: Disabled Most Likely to be Victims of Serious Crime
This again without sounding like a dick...NO SHIT.

#21: U.S Military Bombing Range Destroys Korean Village Life
an accident?

#22: U.S. Government Repressed Marijuana-Tumor Research
this i can believe, however MJ information is never in the mainstream.

#23: Very Small Levels of Chemical Exposures Can be Dangerous
What kind of chemicals? this tells us nothing

#24: Pentagon Seeks Mega-Mergers Between International Arms Corporations
This is understandable..don't you think?

#25: Community Activists Outsit McDonalds
I've heard of the nut ball PETA (people for the Eating of Tasty Animals) demonstrating in front of MC D's..those people need to get a fucking life.

I'm afraid to say this but a majority of these "topics" you bring up are common knowledge and quite basically biased, it's hard to disagree. I would suggest not limiting your research to the internet, a majority of it is written by a nut ball with a computer. But you have the right to believe it..



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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #673015 - 06/11/02 11:45 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Invertigo you are apparently more informed than most, and I congratulate you on that. But I am also sceptical that you went beyond just reading the Titles...if you click on them, they go into great detail.
,But regardless of if you knew about these stories, the vast majority haven't ever heard of them...they prefer to know who the next winner of Survivor will be, or what Mike Tyson did this week...Basically "Junk Food" News...

You stated that MJ research is never in the mainstream...does that not constitute Censorship?


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Rono]
    #673034 - 06/11/02 11:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

***But I am also sceptical that you went beyond just reading the Titles***

Not to sound like i'm too important but i don't really have the time to read everything, however you said that these topics were censored and a majority of them have not been...maybe i'll read them later they sound interesting

***they prefer to know who the next winner of Survivor will be, or what Mike Tyson did this week...Basically "Junk Food" News... ****

If you watch MSNBC, CNN or the BBC for that matter all you are receiving is "Junk News" Now it's not bad to get parts from this form of media but taking everything with a grain of salt is the way to go. Out of all of the forms of media i watch i would have to say that the Fox News Network has to be my favorite even though i know that there are nutballs on that network as well


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Re: Political Forum or Conspiracy Forum? [Re: Rono]
    #673322 - 06/11/02 03:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

" "The media in the United States is NOT sensored"...that statement alone shows how little you know about the world outside the U.S. "

Ok whatever you say. Definition of censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable . When you say our media is censored you seem to be implying that the United States government forces the press to not publish certain stories. I will admit this does happen in times of war when vital information that could cause damage to the war effort is to be published publicly...and rightfully so. To imply the government actively censors stories in peacetime OR wartime when the news is not critical to the war effort is ignorant. Freedom of the Press. The liberal news media in the United States gets VERY hot about any kind of censorship from the government. I will admit the media puts a slant(usually liberal) to some stories. They also tend to pick and choose a bit what they publish, but the information is NOT deleted. It's still there for those that look. In your next post you give a link to the top 25 censored stories...well obviously they are NOT censored or they would not be on that webpage now would they? The stories are still there...the U.S. government hasn't shut them down.
I see though your definition of censorship is far more liberal than mine..or the dictonary's. If you want to see censorship in it's truest form go live in a country with a communist/socialist government for a year or so. Try to speak out in one of these countries about their governments like your doing here...see what happens to you.



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