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OfflineCultyVader
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Welfare just doesnt work.
    #1520519 - 05/04/03 11:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Welfare is a trap. Its not stealing from taxpayers money, or a way to rebuild ones life. Its merely a neverending loop of poverty that few have recovered from. How is a family sopposed to get away from welfare when it provides them: Time to raise their children, almost free money because in order to qualify you cannot have a high paying job, they dont have to work forty hours a week at a shitty dead-end job like the rest of us. Lets just say that this family wants out of the welfare system right? How are they going to do that? They must take on a low paying job that requires a lot of time and energy and pays-most of the time well below the poverty line- not nearly enough of the costs they must pay out to have a third party take care of their children. The cost of child care not to mention GOOD childcare is huge and you add this to the fact that they must work a lot to squeeze by, you have absolutely NO reason to leave welfare in the first place. Now of course we need to get people back on their own two feet how do we do this? How about government provided childcare for those who cannot afford such a "luxury". what about training programs to allow a more highly skilled trade? Maybe these are already being done someone please let me know. What are some other good sounding alternatives?


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: CultyVader]
    #1520529 - 05/04/03 11:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Relocation program.

I think most people who are poor just live somewhere economically unfeasable for someone in their position. They need to move out to the country where you can buy a house for $30,000, and $200 a week is plenty to get by on.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1520545 - 05/04/03 11:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I just dont think thats feasible at all. Where do you find jobs out in the country? Relocation would never be accepted among the people. Also i dont think houses would stay cheap for very long if people were living there. It seems like it would just create ghettos in the country, where law is thin and and public services couldnt acomodate.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: CultyVader]
    #1520579 - 05/04/03 11:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Welfare just doesnt work.

ding ding ding!

tell him what he's won!


Edited by Anonymous (05/04/03 11:56 PM)


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: ]
    #1520597 - 05/05/03 12:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Any ideas mushmaster? Or just blatant sarcasm?


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: CultyVader]
    #1520601 - 05/05/03 12:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you must not hang around here much.

tell him folks.

does mushmaster like welfare!?

crowd: NOOOO!!!!!

no sarcasm intended.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: ]
    #1520613 - 05/05/03 12:06 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You must have some kind of thought about how to deal with the poverty and the destitution. Well if its going to radically change the direction of this thread then dont say it.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: CultyVader]
    #1520644 - 05/05/03 12:16 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

With the decline of blue-collar jobs in this country, there's not much available to someone who doesn't have a college education. Minimum wage is not enough to sustain oneself, let alone raise a family, as some people do. There are people working 2 or even 3 minimum wage jobs who are just barely making ends meet. This countries industries have moved overseas, where they can get cheaper labor, so many of these people are just out of luck. Until a viable alternative is found, welfare is all that many people have to rely on.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: CultyVader]
    #1520677 - 05/05/03 12:27 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i have no problem with people getting a helping hand when they're down on their luck.

what i do have a problem with is that money being taken at gunpoint from peaceful citizens.


we cannot eliminate poverty by paying people not to work.


Edited by Anonymous (05/05/03 07:52 PM)


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: ]
    #1520687 - 05/05/03 12:31 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Can you offer anything constructive?


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1520696 - 05/05/03 12:32 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What about provided childcare? That would alleviate a huge burden on most poor families.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: CultyVader]
    #1520701 - 05/05/03 12:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That would certainly be a good start. Little known fact: a large percentage of welfare goes to children.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1520724 - 05/05/03 12:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Through the parents of course. You take the burden of children away and they can easily climb their way back up. It might even make foodstamps much more effective.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: CultyVader]
    #1520752 - 05/05/03 12:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Can you offer anything constructive?

i don't think so. my view is that it's not the job of the government to feed, clothe, and house the people, especially when doing this means robbing money from some to give to others.

can't support children? don't have any.

each summer i go up to maine to work on poor folk's houses. generally it's the rooves that are caving in. i help put new roofing on, free of charge, for a couple weeks each summer.

i like doing it. i'm glad to help out. if i were forced at gunpoint to go do it, it'd be a very different story.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: ]
    #1520763 - 05/05/03 12:50 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

can't support children? don't have any.



20/20 hindsight can be a real bitch sometimes.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: ]
    #1520768 - 05/05/03 12:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Do you want welfare to completely go away? Dont you think that would just exacerbate the whole crime problem?


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: CultyVader]
    #1520773 - 05/05/03 12:53 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Do you want welfare to completely go away? Dont you think that would just exacerbate the whole crime problem?



Exactly. I'd rather get robbed of part of my paycheck by the government than get robbed at gunpoint by someone starving for food.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1520788 - 05/05/03 12:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

at least when someone (other than the taxman) is trying to rob you, it's not illegal to defend yourself.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: ]
    #1520795 - 05/05/03 12:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

True, but it can still get you killed.


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Re: Welfare just doesnt work. [Re: ]
    #1520797 - 05/05/03 12:59 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Are you some kind of anarchist or something? where do your politcal beliefs fit in the scale?


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