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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: dcell]
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I'm confused about the amount of nutrient in LC. I've read some people use 2g of LME for 250ml, others 1g for 500ml or even 2g for 500ml. Taking into account that you need 500ml of LC to inoculate 20-30 jars by pouring it generously, 750ml for 50 jars is good ? And if I want to use a more nutritious LC, is 6g of LME for this volume is correct?

I know that starting from a clean spawn is essential, especially with LC. For those who are wondering about the quantity of jars, I don't plan to grow cubensis but sclerotia in vitro.

:thanx: for your time

Edited by Cosmyc (07/19/24 01:58 AM)

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: Cosmyc]
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Let's assume PC is at 18psi for 4 hours and there is still an occasional bacterial grain jar.. Should the survival of an endospore off of the grain be discounted completely and source of bacteria looked for elsewhere?

Endospores in tap water?
Will bacteria always be visible from LC to agar?

Edited by dcell (07/19/24 02:47 AM)

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: dcell] * 1
    #28870920 -

With lc the more nutrient you use the thicker it will grow which sounds good but in practice it can be a pain in the ass cuz it’ll clog your needle up. Really any amount will work though.


If you’re running 18psi for four hours nothing should survive. I guess endospores are possible but I would look into your lid filter or inoculation/sterile technique first.


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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said:
With lc the more nutrient you use the thicker it will grow which sounds good but in practice it can be a pain in the ass cuz it’ll clog your needle up. Really any amount will work though.



Thanks for your reply, I'm going to use the Josex protein shaker technique to pour so the needle won't be a problem. I was wondering why some people use different nutrient ratios with the same medium.

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: Cosmyc]
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:popcorn:

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said:
If you’re running 18psi for four hours nothing should survive. I guess endospores are possible but I would look into your lid filter or inoculation/sterile technique first.



Is x2 1/4" holes for sticker filters too many holes? Too large?

How often should SHIP's be replaced?

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: dcell]
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dcell said:
Let's assume PC is at 18psi for 4 hours and there is still an occasional bacterial grain jar.. Should the survival of an endospore off of the grain be discounted completely and source of bacteria looked for elsewhere?

Endospores in tap water?
Will bacteria always be visible from LC to agar?



At what point is the bacteria present? If it's actually bacteria (not mold) and it's showing up in an unopened PC'd jar, there's likely something wrong with your jars (meaning lids, filters, or rings if plastic). With bacteria, I'd be more concerned about moisture content, although 4 hours at 18PSI shouldn't leave tons of water unless your prep is FUCKED.

If it's after inoculation, which it seems to be, it can be any number of things, although it's almost certainly NOT the sterilization run (which is likely overkill). You need to give us more details; everything basically. It could be your inoculant, your technique at introducing this inoculant, etc.

SHIPs should never be replaced. You just shouldn't use them because they fucking suck. They're a shitty crutch for folks to avoid using good technique. Just open the jar and pour in some liquid. It's much easier and involves less tools that can harbor contams. If you're buying LC syringes, just crack the lid in a SAB and squirt into the jar.

What the hell are sticker filters? Is that some new shit you kids are using? The lids only need a single hole for GE, although 3 tiny little holes works just as well. Buy the thick SFDs and you can cover at least 10 jars with one of them. Use RTV silicone around the edges and you'll never have to worry if it's your filter failing.



Post a pictures of your liquid inoculant and record a video of you inoculating jars. If you're using SHIPs for all, I'd stop. You're pushing through any contams on the SHIP itself or around the syringe tip. You want less contact with everything when inoculating. Crack the lid, lift up 1" and move it to the left so the jar is open enough for the syringe squirt. So much easier.

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: dcell] * 1
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dcell said:
Let's assume PC is at 18psi for 4 hours and there is still an occasional bacterial grain jar.. Should the survival of an endospore off of the grain be discounted completely and source of bacteria looked for elsewhere?

Endospores in tap water?
Will bacteria always be visible from LC to agar?



1. 4 hours at 15 psi is beyond overkill for jars. 30 mins at 15psi should result in a 2 x 6 log reduction of colony forming units which is 10-6 (0.0001%) chance of single CFU survival. We use 90-120 mins as redundancy/insurance policy against the difference between a stove top pressure cookers function and true N-type autoclaves. The time temperature exposure is already more than sufficient.

Time temperature exposures increase with volume of media to be sterilized. Liquids have less than jars, jars have less exposure than bags. The greater the volume of substrate in bags and the tighter they're packed, the longer the exposure. 3.5 to 4 hours is recommended for 4+lb spawn bags, 90-120 mins for Q jars.

If anything I'd increase time to vent from 10 mins to 15 or even 20 mins to ensure complete evacuation of trapped/dry internal gasses. We don't have the benefit of class b vacuum pumps to purge dry pockets so an increas in purge time is a good idea.

2. No endospores in tap water that I'maware of, even if there was the point is moot.

3. When problems arise with spawn where LC is involved, especially with newer cultivators, LC is the problem 99% of the time.

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Has any TC's made 7 pound spawn bags with a high success rate? Every now and again out of laziness I'll double up the amount of grain for a cycle of bags that way I only have 4 bags to noc and seal instead of 8 and then I'll split 1 bag between 2 monos, each getting about 3.5 lbs of spawn.

Sometimes it works, other times it seems like there's too much moisture/condensation due to the high amount of spawn and I'll start getting a bunch of metabolites pissing puddles on the edges of the tub. Most times it'll still flush up with no mold breaking out, but from what I've read those metabolites aren't a sign of super healthy spawn.

Im using 3T bags, oats as spawn, 17-20 psi for 3.5 hours(venting for 30 mins)

I'm thinking maybe the issues im having making 7lb bags could be reduced if I use 14a bags instead of 3t. Maybe it'll give it more air flow which will minimize the excess condensation. What do you all think?

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: psichopath]
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The steam needs to penetrate the gaps in the load (between grains) or at very least transfer energy to the center of the bags via convection. Core temps must be reached and maintained for x period of time to ensure sterility. The greater the mass, the greater the volume packed into your pc, the more time required and the less likely you'll achieve sterilization temps at the core.

Try not to overload either the individual bags or the cooker for more reliable results. Spacing between bags can help.

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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:takingnotes: the wisdom channel


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Drink the Water of Life and become Paul Muad’Dib.
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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: AzureCultivator]
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Im struggling with condensation on my plates after I pour. I used a temp gun to determine the bottle was at around 125f when I poured and they still turned out poorly. Condensation eventually drips and pools on the agar.

1. Is this preventing spore germination? Ive gotten no growth on plates streaked on 7/12 and I've got a little something on 2 plates streaked on 7/20, but I think its contaminates.

2. How do I prevent the condensation here? Ive read that pouring around 120f should have done the trick, but I moved the bottle into the SAB at 125f to give myself some extra time to work. Im only pouring 5 high bc my ceiling is low, and I'm not great with the movements and worried I'll knock them over anyway.

This has been frustrating, to say the least. Thank you for any help.


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Shine on forever, shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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@stipencap: if the load is the same with the only difference being that its between 4 bags instead of 8, then shouldn't it sterilize all the same? There's a pretty good amount of space in the pc(AA 75x), just two bags on the bottom and 2 on top. You think maybe I should vent and sterilize for longer?

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: psichopath]
    #28888119 -

The only way to know if any given load has been sterilized all the way to the core is to test with biological indicator amps and chem strips. This will tell you with objective certainty. The next is experiencing continued issues with contamination.

I used to pack my 75x with 8 or 9 x 4lb 3t bags @ 20psi for 4 hours, I'd get the odd bad bag, likely from over stuffing. I've never tried to run fewer larger bags but, experience should tell you if that's a successful strategy or not.

If you're experiencing failures then I'd recommend changing the volume of the bags, adding spacers, and or venting longer. 30 min vent should be sufficient for the 75x, 4 hours for bags is plenty.

This is how to verify any unit, cycle exposure, or load:


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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #28888940 -

Thanks for answering my question(s) Stipe! Know where can I get some of these bio indicator vials and an incubator for the cheap? Ebays got a pack of 25 vials for $70 but the incubators are like +$250. Is that the best price I'm gonna get?

And nice to see you're back on youtube! :cheers: Hope they don't take it down again!

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
Im struggling with condensation on my plates after I pour. I used a temp gun to determine the bottle was at around 125f when I poured and they still turned out poorly. Condensation eventually drips and pools on the agar.

1. Is this preventing spore germination? Ive gotten no growth on plates streaked on 7/12 and I've got a little something on 2 plates streaked on 7/20, but I think its contaminates.

2. How do I prevent the condensation here? Ive read that pouring around 120f should have done the trick, but I moved the bottle into the SAB at 125f to give myself some extra time to work. Im only pouring 5 high bc my ceiling is low, and I'm not great with the movements and worried I'll knock them over anyway.

This has been frustrating, to say the least. Thank you for any help.



condensation is nearly impossible to prevent but--and ive been saying this for like 9 months--storing them vertically on the wall (using "drunk octopus wants to fight" hooks) completely eliminates condensation.

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: BeefExtreme]
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I saw that pic of yours after someone else mentioned it. Utility AND style. I love it. Sounds like the condensation doesn't totally ruin the plate though? Im struggling to get spores to germ, and wanted to eliminate condensation as a cause.


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Hitchhikers Guide to The Shroomery

Shine on forever, shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 2
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ThurmanMurman said:
I saw that pic of yours after someone else mentioned it. Utility AND style. I love it. Sounds like the condensation doesn't totally ruin the plate though? Im struggling to get spores to germ, and wanted to eliminate condensation as a cause.



Condensation ruins nothing except your visual.


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I'm tired do me a favor

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: cronicr]
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Thats good to hear. Thanks for helping me check that off of my troubleshooting list.


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Hitchhikers Guide to The Shroomery

Shine on forever, shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

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Re: Official Trusted Cultivator Q&A Thread - Anyone Can Ask, Only TCs Can Answer! [Re: psichopath]
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They're pretty pricey so getting an incubator alone for that price is decent. Make sure your amps have an integral type 4 chem strip (iirc) or purchase them separately like I did. They react when exposed to steam.

Check out my autoclave thread in my sig for product details.

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