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BeefSupremeJr
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SirPsycho said: I never did PF tek but that's cause I read a bunch and started with agar into Muda Bottles and shit was great.
However more recently, I did the really dumb thing you're not supposed to do and now I'm getting a shit ton of agar contam.... I changed a bunch of things at once and I'm not sure which of the 5 things I changed is causing it.
Now I'm kinda walking it back one by one.
what did you change?
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CocaineBuffet said: Is this thread any different than this thread?:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23949183/vc/1
yeah i was trying to get people to admit the embarassing noob shit they've done to god. (and me)
like when i used to flash cool the pc because it says you can in the manual. bodhi warned me about it but i didnt quit doing it until a 1000ml bottle of agar popped its top.
i also used to use aerosol lysol to sanitize my sab.
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Excess Taters
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I guess I have 1 more story.
My first foray into this hobby was with a grow kit from a large vendor. I gave it away when I left the state I was in to go to another state, without having used it. I had spores, I had the kit, I gave both to my brother and left (hen ever did anything with it). A few years later I bought another kit from those idiots, none of the jars colonized until the day I gave the kit away to my brother. The day I did that, I noticed a jar was finally colonizing 1 month after I inoculated it.
I can't recall what happened with that particular jar, but my brother never got any from it.
Also, I don't know why, but when I do a PF tek grow, I always have 2-6 out of 12 jars that don't colonize. I'm not sure if it's because I flame sterilize too long, dunno. I just don't do PF tek anymore, so I probably won't figure that one out for a while.
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Pickle Rick
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: JW123] 1
#28151220 - 01/21/23 09:55 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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JW123 said: Why are you licking it though? You got a link for that aliexpress sterilization sleeve?
I normally dont use gloves when pouring agar. The stuff doesnt wash off, so when eating or cooking or whatever, I was assaulted by the horrible taste
sterilization sleeve
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B Traven
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I bought and used a jug of denatured alcohol at some point during the height of the pandemic, as well. Terrible smell and terrible idea.
It's denatured with methanol, by the way, which is not only neurotoxic but cumulatively neurotoxic. So I'd say you've had enough licks for one lifetime lol
Seriously, though, what an absolutely fucked way to enforce liquor taxes. "Oh, you want to use that to varnish your deck? OK, no problem, hold on, we just gotta make it more toxic first to make sure you're not dodging the ATF"
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BeefSupremeJr
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Jesus Christ. I'm a very unconventional man, but you are an odd duck, Mr. rick.
I just remembered this stupid ass thing I did. I built an incubator.. for those of you who weren't around in the early 2000s, we would put a 66 quart tub nested inside of another one with a shit load of water in it, and then heat it with an aquarium heater..
There's a good reason we abandon this practice but I poked a hole in Mine shoving it over a heat vent all grouchy and didnt notice until i came home from work. soaked the carpet in the entire room. had to pull all the furniture and wet vac it.
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Excess Taters
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BeefSupremeJr said: Jesus Christ. I'm a very unconventional man, but you are an odd duck, Mr. rick.
I just remembered this stupid ass thing I did. I built an incubator.. for those of you who weren't around in the early 2000s, we would put a 66 quart tub nested inside of another one with a shit load of water in it, and then heat it with an aquarium heater..
There's a good reason we abandon this practice but I poked a hole in Mine shoving it over a heat vent all grouchy and didnt notice until i came home from work. soaked the carpet in the entire room. had to pull all the furniture and wet vac it.
Not to derail, but why is a tub in tub bad? Honestly it seems easy to control and it's the only holdover from the grow kit that I keep using. Which I guess is potentially another confession. I use a tub in tub incubator. I keep the jars at 75%.
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BeefSupremeJr
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mostly causes condensation issues. direct contact heat in general causes issues.
i dont know. maybe people still use them. i remember putting. towel between the jars and bottom of tub to mitigate it somewhat...
i remember i had an all in one bag in it so i guess thats another confession.
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BeefSupremeJr said: mostly causes condensation issues. direct contact heat in general causes issues.
i dont know. maybe people still use them. i remember putting. towel between the jars and bottom of tub to mitigate it somewhat...
i remember i had an all in one bag in it so i guess thats another confession.
Thanks, I could see that for sure. People don't really use them and just talk shit, and the bottom of my jars colonizes first (but I also drop a lot of SSLC in there and while I shake it, eventually it pools at the bottom anyway) but I don't know, it doesn't seem to cause me issues, but maybe I'm too new to realize how it's fucking my shit up. Who knows.
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] 1
#28151254 - 01/21/23 10:24 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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B Traven said: It's denatured with methanol, by the way, which is not only neurotoxic but cumulatively neurotoxic. So I'd say you've had enough licks for one lifetime lol
the one I got is non-toxic, approved for skin contact and meant for external use, can be in coincidental contact with food products, though its not for consumption. Smells pretty much normal. apparently it can be denatured in more than one way. still not gonna buy it again.
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B Traven
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Pickle Rick said:
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B Traven said: It's denatured with methanol, by the way, which is not only neurotoxic but cumulatively neurotoxic. So I'd say you've had enough licks for one lifetime lol
the one I got is non-toxic, approved for skin contact and meant for external use, can be in coincidental contact with food products, though its not for consumption. Smells pretty much normal. apparently it can be denatured in more than one way. still not gonna buy it again.
Oh, right on. Yeah, I was kind of thinking about it as I was typing that, didn't think the regulations actually specified that it has to be methanol. I guess it's just the cheapest option. Anyhow, no iso shortage at the drug store anymore, so those days are over!
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BeefSupremeJr said: mostly causes condensation issues. direct contact heat in general causes issues.
i dont know. maybe people still use them. i remember putting. towel between the jars and bottom of tub to mitigate it somewhat...
i remember i had an all in one bag in it so i guess thats another confession.
Thanks, I could see that for sure. People don't really use them and just talk shit, and the bottom of my jars colonizes first (but I also drop a lot of SSLC in there and while I shake it, eventually it pools at the bottom anyway) but I don't know, it doesn't seem to cause me issues, but maybe I'm too new to realize how it's fucking my shit up. Who knows.
Yeah, that's likely just due to the pooling of your SSLC.
I do grain to grain transfers in a room that stays pretty chilly in winter. I have some lights that generate a bit of heat, and an interior wall that's warmer on average. The location of my jars in relation to those heat sources has no bearing on how fast they colonize, or which parts colonize first.
I think it's easy to underestimate the cold tolerance of cubensis. Also, mycelium colonizing grain in a glass jar is generating and retaining a decent amount of its own heat. Even more so if you have multiple jars in close proximity.
I think that's the crux of it. In most cases, the mycelium can take care of itself, so the incubation is simply unnecessary. And then in some cases, the addition of direct heat can either push the mycelium into a more harmful temperature range (bearing in mind that, like us, it's always generating its own heat too), encourage bacterial growth, or both.
I don't know if anyone is still using gypsum, but I used to put it in my grain water and my coir buckets. When I ran out and just sort of stopped using it, I didn't miss it at all, and noticed no difference whatsoever in my grow. Same for vermiculite, with the slight exception that straight coir has a slightly different water retention capacity. And is easier to clean off of my mature fruits.
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven]
#28151275 - 01/21/23 10:54 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Something about the verm just makes rhe sub look better i guess but it isnt cheap so Im probably not going to re-up when i run out
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SirPsycho
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BeefSupremeJr said:
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SirPsycho said: I never did PF tek but that's cause I read a bunch and started with agar into Muda Bottles and shit was great.
However more recently, I did the really dumb thing you're not supposed to do and now I'm getting a shit ton of agar contam.... I changed a bunch of things at once and I'm not sure which of the 5 things I changed is causing it.
Now I'm kinda walking it back one by one.
what did you change?
How I wrap the plates before pressure cooking, how I store them, how I wrap them after inoculation and a couple of things in my SAB set up routine.
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#28151562 - 01/22/23 06:24 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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 I too caused a combustion but it was of sheer stupidity. I was a techno club teenager with a suicidal attitude and i used maby 80% ethanol to decontaminate a poorly made SAB and fired a lighter 30cm away from it. Was lucky enough to get away with my eyebrows..  Also to my shame my first attempt of doing brf was in a pint with saran wrap wich i steam cooked. I acquired the spores from a dry mushroom and didnt have a clue about agar. What would i give to be that young again...
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SirPsycho
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Thugnar] 3
#28151565 - 01/22/23 06:28 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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This was all just yesterday right?
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: SirPsycho]
#28151609 - 01/22/23 07:14 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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SirPsycho said: This was all just yesterday right?
Naw, my cultures are doing good. Liking the new SAB. Want a pic as proof? Today i got an idea of making an LC from a myc sample. Already made it and will test it out to make some shrooms at the same time i play with the petri cultures.
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SirPsycho
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Thugnar]
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Thugnar said:
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SirPsycho said: This was all just yesterday right?
Naw, my cultures are doing good. Liking the new SAB. Want a pic as proof? Today i got an idea of making an LC from a myc sample. Already made it and will test it out to make some shrooms at the same time i play with the petri cultures.
Sure, let's see a pic
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When I started, I went so hard on PF tech that I had over 80 1/2 pint jars because I had no idea about bulk. Then, I made some of the most elaborate automated contraption tubs with humidifiers and hoses. Looked like a tentical moster!
Also took over half of a 2 bedroom townhouse to "grow drugs" as my future wife used to say.
In that time I grew enough green mold that it is probably affecting your grows today!!!
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: SirPsycho]
#28151636 - 01/22/23 07:42 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Unblocked him just to see his pics. Crazy he got an idea to make LC from a myc sample. You think anyone ever done that before?
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I bought a grow kit.
I lacked patience.
I screwed around with way too many teks instead of mastering one.
I stabbed myself in the finger with a syringe when I was inoculating plates and didn't realize it might be a contamination vector.
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