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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
MagicMush123 said:
Yea, like i said just cause he  doesn't specifically protect gays under law it doesn't mean hes anti gay



You are repeating yourself, not explaining how discriminating against gay people doesn't mean he is anti gay



You haven't shown me that hes specifically discriminating agianst gays. All you've done is show that hes not accommodating or making specific laws to protect them and to you thats anti gay, and to me thats not. I already pointed out that most American companies already have anti discrimination policies based on someone's race or sexual orientation. And if it wasn't for the trump administration questioning whether or not the original civil rights law was originally meant to cover gays as well the courts would have never ruled otherwise

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
Tantrika said:
MagicMush123 said:
Yea, like i said just cause he  doesn't specifically protect gays under law it doesn't mean hes anti gay



You are repeating yourself, not explaining how discriminating against gay people doesn't mean he is anti gay



You haven't shown me that hes specifically discriminating agianst gays. All you've done is show that hes not accommodating or making specific laws to protect them and to you thats anti gay, and to me thats not.



"to me thats not"

then what, again, would you consider it to be?
you are saying that targetting a certain group for exclusion from legal protections afforded to citizens is not discrimination against them
so what would you consider it -- what would that be to you

MagicMush123 said:
I already pointed out that most American companies already have anti discrimination policies based on someone's race or sexual orientation.



and?
the fact that most American companies manage to be more progressive than trumps administration of discrimination is no way a point in favour of your argument
it is a distraction from the very real actions taken by trump

MagicMush123 said:
And if it wasn't for the trump administration questioning whether or not the original civil rights law was originally meant to cover gays as well the courts would have never ruled otherwise



so because the courts have to keep wasting time striking down trumps anti-gay agenda
that is meant to be support that trump is not anti-gay?
or did you actually intend to deliver a freebie point against your own argument

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Free speech warrior Donald Trump and his DOJ have taken John Bolton to court to prevent him from publishing his book. Trump claimed today all his conversations are classified šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø



Trump yesterday said he is considering suing his niece over her tell-all book coming out soon.

Trump is always claiming new rights and privileges for himself. It's all very Nixon-like. I bet before he leaves office he will say something about his right to pardon himself now for anything he's charged with in the future.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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The judge will likely go with the prosecutor's recommendation.  Judge's are typically just stoolies for prosecutors anyway.  I doubt it'll happen on the 16th, though.  A pardon doesn't play into it, because Trump could pardon him with or without a conviction and probably will.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So lawyers are not to be trusted?  Is that right, Enlil?




Depends on what you mean by trusted.  A trustworthy, ethical lawyer representing a client will only say things that will help the client and omit many things that will hurt the client.  He/she won't "lie" about it, but omission of relevant facts is almost guaranteed.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
a shit load of people dont think gays or trannys should be adopting kids or that mentally ill people should be allowed to join the military or people should have something other than M or F on their licenses



I'm confused.  Are you arguing that those people aren't anti-gay?  Or are you arguing that they're correct?  I thought this argument was whether or not Trump is anti-gay.

BTW, I agree that an employer should not be forced to hire and pay someone who he/she doesn't like.  The rest of the shit I quoted above is clearly bigoted, though. 

Also, this Supreme Court ruling is more symbolic than anything else.  If Congress really doesn't want to protect trans and gay folk in employment, they can change the law at any time.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Cant employers still hold up thier own dress code?.....meaning if one works ,say, selling sport coats and said attire is required and one comes into work dressed in a two piece bikini, they can still be terminated? What if one claims that this is their transgender identity but the employer requests them to change?

It seems that clothing in general is an extension or related to sex/gender, how can it be enforced?


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.ā€

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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That’s ridiculous. Nobody should need to tell you that.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-praises-scientists-for-developing-aids-vaccine-that-doesnt-exist/ar-BB15zWry?ocid=spartandhp

I'm sure he'll call it fake news. We could say it was a reasonably normal mistake someone could make while speaking. But he makes mistakes nearly every time he speaks, besides the outright intentional lies.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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Yeah it’s not a huge mistake but it only happened because he decided to go on a minute long contentless tangent. He sounds like a fucking idiot.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1272936665804398592?s=21


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
Cant employers still hold up thier own dress code?.....meaning if one works ,say, selling sport coats and said attire is required and one comes into work dressed in a two piece bikini, they can still be terminated? What if one claims that this is their transgender identity but the employer requests them to change?

It seems that clothing in general is an extension or related to sex/gender, how can it be enforced?



Yes, they can have a dress code.  They can have a grooming requirement.  They can set all kinds of image related standards for the employees.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
MagicMush123 said:
Tantrika said:
MagicMush123 said:
Yea, like i said just cause he  doesn't specifically protect gays under law it doesn't mean hes anti gay



You are repeating yourself, not explaining how discriminating against gay people doesn't mean he is anti gay



You haven't shown me that hes specifically discriminating agianst gays. All you've done is show that hes not accommodating or making specific laws to protect them and to you thats anti gay, and to me thats not.



"to me thats not"

then what, again, would you consider it to be?
you are saying that targetting a certain group for exclusion from legal protections afforded to citizens is not discrimination against them
so what would you consider it -- what would that be to you

MagicMush123 said:
I already pointed out that most American companies already have anti discrimination policies based on someone's race or sexual orientation.



and?
the fact that most American companies manage to be more progressive than trumps administration of discrimination is no way a point in favour of your argument
it is a distraction from the very real actions taken by trump

MagicMush123 said:
And if it wasn't for the trump administration questioning whether or not the original civil rights law was originally meant to cover gays as well the courts would have never ruled otherwise



so because the courts have to keep wasting time striking down trumps anti-gay agenda
that is meant to be support that trump is not anti-gay?
or did you actually intend to deliver a freebie point against your own argument



Those legal protections aren't fair to employers though. Ultimately i dont feel like anyone should be fired for being gay. I also think firing for people for being gay is super uncommon. But maybe firing transsexuals is. If i owned a business i feel like it wouldn't be fair to me if i have transexual employees who randomly go off on ltd to have sex changes. It would probably complicate my business and my insurance rates would go up

It shows that social changes usually change before law does. Look how all major companies adopted the pc sjw agenda. Companies like those actually try to hire gays, transsexuals or other minorities for they can boast about how diverse they are :lol:

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
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Companies adopted pc policies because the vast majority aren't interested in buying things from piece of shit racists, sexists, etc.. There's no conspiracy about "agenda" to be found.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Grooming requirements could be misconstrued as anti LGBTQ  nobody should need to tell you that.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.ā€

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: christopera]
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I didn't mean it that sense

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
Companies adopted pc policies because the vast majority aren't interested in buying things from piece of shit racists, sexists, etc.. There's no conspiracy about "agenda" to be found.



its because ppl who like gays have more money and diversity is a front for greed

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Yup.  Nonetheless, grooming requirements have long been held up as Bona Fide Occupational Qualifications under federal and state law.  As long as a requirement is a BFOQ, it is allowed even if it impacts one group more than another.

For instance, women can be required to wear makeup and skirts.  Men can be required to wear suits and have their hair cut shorter than a specified length.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
Those legal protections aren't fair to employers though.



do you feel the legal protections are fair when they exist on basis of other traits that exist from birth, like race

MagicMush123 said:
Ultimately i dont feel like anyone should be fired for being gay. I also think firing for people for being gay is super uncommon. But maybe firing transsexuals is. If i owned a business i feel like it wouldn't be fair to me if i have transexual employees who randomly go off on ltd to have sex changes. It would probably complicate my business and my insurance rates would go up

It shows that social changes usually change before law does. Look how all major companies adopted the pc sjw agenda. Companies like those actually try to hire gays, transsexuals or other minorities for they can boast about how diverse they are :lol:



a lot of this, particularly you identifying minority rights as "the pc sjw agenda" is the sort of discrimination that is the worst
the idea that somehow rights before a certain date were valid but that now rights are being pushed on a crazy basis is absurd

but still, none of what you provided is any description of what you felt the behaviour to actually be aside from discrimination
and none of this has disproven that trump is anti-gay pushing anti-gay policies
which he is on both counts

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
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So you actually think that trump is personally anti gay? He's been a celebrity for a long time and i didn't ever hear anyone talking about his anti gay statements or acts.
Didn't they challenge the ruling to say that the protections didn't cover those who identified other than male or female (sex is already covered) because understandably the employer doesn't want fo deal with the stress, missed time and costs of employees who transition?  The courts ruled agianst him and he ate the loss. If he was truly anti gay he probably challenge it or introducing legislation that outright states it

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