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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: KauaiOrca]
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What branch of government has authority over the federal reserve? Because we can isolate those decision makers to exaggerating these imbalances


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You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.

It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: KauaiOrca]
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The people engineering it all have similar interests, policymakers don't want to see higher interest payments which would limit how much could be spent elsewhere in the government (military, medicare, ect).

Money managers, pensions funds and the very wealthy ALL own these bonds, even a small move to 6% on the long bond would destroy trillions in value and would cause most pension funds to become officially insolvent.

Would happens to other assets classes if growth, inflation and higher rates were to occur?  Real estate and stocks would also get wacked down lower from these high levels.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-comments-on-too-strong-dollar-send-shivers-through-stock-market-2017-01-17

Trump just sent a message these people aren't going to like, he knows the US dollar must come down if growth is going to return.

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: qman]
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The people engineering clearly do not have similar interests



Who has authority over the federal reserve? They clearly are the power holders here


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Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions.


You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.

It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: Psychonott] * 1
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congress

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
The people engineering it all have similar interests, policymakers don't want to see higher interest payments which would limit how much could be spent elsewhere in the government (military, medicare, ect).

Money managers, pensions funds and the very wealthy ALL own these bonds, even a small move to 6% on the long bond would destroy trillions in value and would cause most pension funds to become officially insolvent.

Would happens to other assets classes if growth, inflation and higher rates were to occur?  Real estate and stocks would also get wacked down lower from these high levels.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-comments-on-too-strong-dollar-send-shivers-through-stock-market-2017-01-17

Trump just sent a message these people aren't going to like, he knows the US dollar must come down if growth is going to return.


Historically, rising bond prices are good for the economy.  Usually signal healthier economy.  Higher  yields mean more interest on savings ... more money for Seniors to spend.  More income from fixed income investments ... AND ... RISING stock prices.

There is no historical evidence to back up what you're saying.

Having said that, your point about rising interest rates and our ability to service our debt payment is true and clearly that is motivating a lot of the ZIRP.  So I tend to think we are in uncharted waters here.


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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
congress


Congress doesn't really have authority over the FED ... they gave that up decades ago.  The FED has become, in essence, the fourth branch of our government.


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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: Psychonott]
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Psychonott said:
The people engineering clearly do not have similar interests



Who has authority over the federal reserve? They clearly are the power holders here


Yes, they have different interests with similar motivations.

Trump needs to have Yellen resign before her term is up in one year.

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: qman]
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too bad i don't have any money.
I should have bought Silvercorp a month ago when we where talking about it.

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/svmlf/interactive-chart?timeframe=1m&charttype=line

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
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Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act, and they could repeal or alter it (if there was any political will to do so)

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: ballsalsa]
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No congress hasn't had one bit of authority over the federal reserve  for some time now



Since a nations greatest tool of influence is monetary creation essentially we are being held hostage but the wealthiest elites and our entire fabric of government has no reign whatsoever over these decision makers?


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Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions.


You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.

It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: Psychonott]
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exhibit A?

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
qman said:
The people engineering it all have similar interests, policymakers don't want to see higher interest payments which would limit how much could be spent elsewhere in the government (military, medicare, ect).

Money managers, pensions funds and the very wealthy ALL own these bonds, even a small move to 6% on the long bond would destroy trillions in value and would cause most pension funds to become officially insolvent.

Would happens to other assets classes if growth, inflation and higher rates were to occur?  Real estate and stocks would also get wacked down lower from these high levels.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-comments-on-too-strong-dollar-send-shivers-through-stock-market-2017-01-17

Trump just sent a message these people aren't going to like, he knows the US dollar must come down if growth is going to return.


Historically, rising bond prices are good for the economy.  Usually signal healthier economy.  Higher  yields mean more interest on savings ... more money for Seniors to spend.  More income from fixed income investments ... AND ... RISING stock prices.

There is no historical evidence to back up what you're saying.

Having said that, your point about rising interest rates and our ability to service our debt payment is true and clearly that is motivating a lot of the ZIRP.  So I tend to think we are in uncharted waters here.


"no historical evidence to back up what you're saying"

Not for the US in recent history, but how many times do we see bond defaults, missed interest payments and then currency devaluation?  All the time, PR was bailed out just last year for this very reason.

"uncharted waters here"

Without a doubt, it's really just simple math at work. Either policymakers kick it over or markets will do it, either way it's going to get resolved.

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: ballsalsa]
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Lol have you seen the wealth distribution gaps lately? The trend it's following?


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Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions.


You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.

It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Without a doubt, it's really just simple math at work. Either policymakers kick it over or markets will do it, either way it's going to get resolved.


I think we will see some kind of very creative global debt reset event in the next 2-3 years.  Japan, Europe, the US and the Saudis driving it.  Possibly tied to the launching of a new global currency administered by the BIS.


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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: Psychonott]
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your argument was that congress holds no authority over the federal reserve.  That is true in terms of policy, but not in terms of structure(i.e. the very existence of the federal reserve).
Wealth distribution trends do not support your argument.
anything else?

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act, and they could repeal or alter it (if there was any political will to do so)


With government authority, you use it or lose it.  Congress has no real authority over the FED anymore ... They don't really even understand the FED, let alone control them.

It's another leg of the balance of power.  I don't like the way the FED operates in secrecy but if Congress ran the money supply, we'd be in much worse shape.


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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
qman said:
Without a doubt, it's really just simple math at work. Either policymakers kick it over or markets will do it, either way it's going to get resolved.


I think we will see some kind of very creative global debt reset event in the next 2-3 years.  Japan, Europe, the US and the Saudis driving it.  Possibly tied to the launching of a new global currency administered by the BIS.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-04/global-debt-hits-325-world-gdp-rises-record-217-trillion

Yeah, we can also throw China into that group.

"reset event in the next 2-3 years"

One would think, but sometimes these things can drag on for much longer, time will tell.

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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Psychonott said:
ballsalsa said:
Psychonott said:
No congress hasn't had one bit of authority over the federal reserve  for some time now


exhibit A?


Lol have you seen the wealth distribution gaps lately? The trend it's following?


Wealth distribution trends do not support your argument.
anything else?


Balls is correct.  If anything, the increasing wealth gap only supports the fact that Congress is helping out its wealthy donors.


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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Balls is correct.  If anything, the increasing wealth gap only supports the fact that Congress is helping out its wealthy donors.


The increasing wealth gap is being caused by three factors:

1- rapid increase in technology bringing down labor costs
2- ease of exploiting the cheapest labor ... Globalization ...
3- Easier and easier to make enormous sums of money without producing any products anymore ... just trading digits on a screen

I kinda thought Obama would have put some brakes on this but, if anything, he accelerated it as did the Clintons and GWB.


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Re: Trump calls CNN fake news [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
The increasing wealth gap is being caused by three factors:

1- rapid increase in technology bringing down labor costs


I disagree.  The increase in technology has made worker productivity (and profits) higher than ever.  If workers had union representation like they did back in the 50's and 60's, they could demand a lot more of the extra profits the companies are making.

KauaiOrca said:
2- ease of exploiting the cheapest labor ... Globalization ...


I agree.

KauaiOrca said:
3- Easier and easier to make enormous sums of money without producing any products anymore ... just trading digits on a screen


Again, I disagree.  Without the underlying companies making money, the trading you are referring to becomes worthless.


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