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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
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YangSupporter said:
Whose your favorite left youtuber ecstatic?


I don’t really watch YouTube. But Kyle Kulinski is good, Michael Brooks, Sam Seder (even though he’s a lib).

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Thanks.  Hopefully The Ecstatic explains his positions to me to make me a smarter person.


I refuse to be sucked into a 10 page argument about whether Dore actually meant what he said when he said the dumb thing.

YangSupporter said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Thanks.  Hopefully The Ecstatic explains his positions to me to make me a smarter person.


lol I've seen some spectacularly bad takes from The Ecstatic regarding Yang I wouldn't hold your breath.


Yang is the millennial Bloomberg.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So we should listen to the mainstream media instead?  I guess I'm not understanding the argument.

Sure, I think it's sad that the mainstream media isn't a good source of news, but that's what makes sources like Jimmy Dore all the more relevant.

And if they also appeal to the right, all the better.


This is exactly the allure behind Breitbart.

The left should strive better than 1) being better than CNN, and 2) appealing to the right.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
ballsalsa said:
I guess I'm saying that i would like to see a serious alt-news source with less spin and punchlines and more substance.


So would I.  But I'm still trying to understand what's wrong with Jimmy Dore?  Everyone feels cool hating on him, but no one can provide a good reason why.  He's a comedian; big deal why should I care?

ballsalsa said:
Remember when i was talking about nuance the other day?  It means i can wish for a better source than jimmy dore without saying he doesn't cover relevant topics.


And AGAIN, I'll ask, what's wrong with Jimmy Dore?  So what if he's entertaining, he's very informative.  Much more so than the mainstream news.

ballsalsa said:
Also, if the question is why people dont take jimmy dore seriously, i answered it already.  Its because he presents his show as comedy.  Good or bad, thats the deal


I'm not asking why 'people' don't take him seriously, I get your argument.  I'm asking why you and The Ecstatic don't.


This is some qman shit. “Write me a dissertation on why you disagree or I won’t even entertain your position.”

Dore might have some good politics deep down but he’s a reactionary, and not even a good comedian. He bitches endlessly about Hillary and Obama and makes little to no systemic critiques, and that’s why low info voters, and people in the right love him. And since he got shitcanned from TYT, he’s gravitating towards what’s keeping his career going: telling right wingers that Hillary is bad. Like Michael Tracey, he’s coasting on predicting Russiagate was a nothingburger, something you yourself regularly boast on.

I guess my main gripe is he doesn’t say anything his audience doesn’t already know. He had a fantastically bad take about Lava Jato in Brazil. The dude is just surface level left liberal and he shows his ass anytime he tries to go deeper than that.

If you want a mildly left, mildly funny politics show with some actual substance (rather than an angry guy telling you both side are bad for an hour) do yourself a favor and watch The Majority Report, or the Michael Brooks Show, instead. Hell even Tim Black is an improvement.

I mean honestly, what do you gain from Jimmy Dore? What do you learn? It’s self congratulatory pablum.


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Edited by The Ecstatic (11/11/19 08:18 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Thanks.  Hopefully The Ecstatic explains his positions to me to make me a smarter person.


I refuse to be sucked into a 10 page argument about whether Dore actually meant what he said when he said the dumb thing.


So you're happy to write 10 pages about why you won't back up your claim instead of providing a single example of a monumentally bad take?  I hope the right isn't taking any notes.

The Ecstatic said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
ballsalsa said:
I think it's a bad sign that we are made to depend on comedians for our news.


So we should listen to the mainstream media instead?  I guess I'm not understanding the argument.

Sure, I think it's sad that the mainstream media isn't a good source of news, but that's what makes sources like Jimmy Dore all the more relevant.

And if they also appeal to the right, all the better.


This is exactly the allure behind Breitbart.

The left should strive better than 1) being better than CNN, and 2) appealing to the right.


Jimmy Dore calls out CNN all the time.

And I fail to see what's wrong with him appealing to the right.  It's certainly not his target audience, but you previously argued progressives need a better strategy to win, and attracting the right seems an obvious part of that.

The Ecstatic said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
what's wrong with Jimmy Dore?'


This is some qman shit. “Write me a dissertation on why you disagree or I won’t even entertain your position.”


Again, I asked for one example, not a dissertation.

The Ecstatic said:
Dore might have some good politics deep down but he’s a reactionary, and not even a good comedian. He bitches endlessly about Hillary and Obama and makes little to no systemic critiques, and that’s why low info voters, and people in the right love him. And since he got shitcanned from TYT, he’s gravitating towards what’s keeping his career going: telling right wingers that Hillary is bad. Like Michael Tracey, he’s coasting on predicting Russiagate was a nothingburger, something you yourself regularly boast on.


So you're calling me a low info voter, while admitting I was right in predicting Russiagate would be a nothingburger.  Maybe you can provide just one example of a monumentally bad take from Jimmy Dore so that I finally understand what you're talking about?

The Ecstatic said:
I guess my main gripe is he doesn’t say anything his audience doesn’t already know. He had a fantastically bad take about Lava Jato in Brazil. The dude is just surface level left liberal and he shows his ass anytime he tries to go deeper than that.

If you want a mildly left, mildly funny politics show with some actual substance (rather than an angry guy telling you both side are bad for an hour) do yourself a favor and watch The Majority Report, or the Michael Brooks Show, instead. Hell even Tim Black is an improvement.

I mean honestly, what do you gain from Jimmy Dore? What do you learn? It’s self congratulatory pablum.


Jimmy regularly admits he's not that smart, and I agree he's not that funny (though he is entertaining).  He's one of the handful of people that covers things the mainstream media refuses to cover.

Unfortunately, instead of providing a single example of a monumentally bad take from Jimmy Dore, we got pages and pages of a dissertation on why you don't have to back yourself up.  :shrug:

I haven't seen his video on Lava Jato in Brazil. Maybe that's your example of a bad take?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Fantastically bad.  He put it in the post.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said:
Trump is going to be remembered as the worst president of all time in the long run :themoreyouknow:

Hope everyone who voted for him enjoys that. Frankly, I almost look forward to a second term just so that I can watch his approval rating fall even lower than Bush's did at the end of his term. He's going to go out with boos, and no one is going to remember him positively in the long run.


No he won't, you just want him to be remembered poorly because everyone tells you he's bad.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Fantastically bad.  He put it in the post.


Maybe you can you provide the example of the bad take from Jimmy Dore for me?  I missed it.  Was it Lava Jato in Brazil that I asked about?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I think everyone should stop voting. To truly run for president you have to be corrupt.  Trump,yang,biden,Bernie and all the rest are controlled obviously. Your vote doesn't matter.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shenmue] * 1
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So you're happy to write 10 pages about why you won't back up your claim instead of providing a single example of a monumentally bad take?  I hope the right isn't taking any notes.


I provided several. I’m trying to get you to look at the larger picture and I don’t want to get bogged down on Jimmy Dore being a moron but here we are.

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Jimmy Dore calls out CNN all the time.

And I fail to see what's wrong with him appealing to the right.  It's certainly not his target audience, but you previously argued progressives need a better strategy to win, and attracting the right seems an obvious part of that.


That’s not the point. Calling out CNN is easy. Anyone watching Jimmy Dore’s show has a negative view of CNN. The point is being better than CNN is a low bar.

And I’ve already said going after the half of the country that doesn’t vote is a better strategy than trying to convert republicans to the left.

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So you're calling me a low info voter, while admitting I was right in predicting Russiagate would be a nothingburger.  Maybe you can provide just one example of a monumentally bad take from Jimmy Dore so that I finally understand what you're talking about?


I’m not calling you a low info voter, stop being so defensive. Pretty sure I called you smart on the last page. I provided an example.


In regards to the lava jato: he basically hails them as nonpartisan truth seekers without an agenda, then doubles down after they have impeach Roussef in a soft coup and imprison Lula de Silva. It was later revealed by Glenn Greenwald (another lefty anti-russiagate person) that operation car wash was a right wing driven hit machine from the start, and the attacks on Roussef and Lula were a joint effort from the right wing and the judges/prosecutors who ran the operation.

See Jimmy sees a commission set up ostensibly to root out corruption and he’s all for it, even after it takes down the Brazilian left and helps install a fascist. This is the logical conclusion of the whole “I’ll agree with the right if the left is wrong” mentality.  If politics was guided by the virtue of truth we wouldn’t be here. And that’s not to mention that Lula’s charges were entirely trumped up, and Roussef’s “crimes” amounted to an accounting error. Dore is too dumb to see the bigger implications of things like java jato and he’s too arrogant to admit when he’s wrong about it after the fact.


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Edited by The Ecstatic (11/11/19 10:22 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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I disagree, you have to go after people that are registered to vote and will vote.

Again, Trump won on an Anti-Establishment platform.  That platform only works because of the MSM is full of dishonesty and the Democratic Party won't stop with the endless false narratives against Trump.

I truly believe that if Bernie isn't the Democratic candidate, the Jimmy Dore's of the world are going to make a convincing argument to give Trump the vote just out of spite and frustration.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
I provided several. I’m trying to get you to look at the larger picture and I don’t want to get bogged down on Jimmy Dore being a moron but here we are.


I missed them all.  I see you're now explaining Lava Jato in Brazil, but you didn't bring that up until your very last post before this one.

The Ecstatic said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So you're calling me a low info voter, while admitting I was right in predicting Russiagate would be a nothingburger.  Maybe you can provide just one example of a monumentally bad take from Jimmy Dore so that I finally understand what you're talking about?


I’m not calling you a low info voter, stop being so defensive. Pretty sure I called you smart on the last page.


You called Jimmy Dore fans low info voters.

The Ecstatic said:
In regards to the lava jato: he basically hails them as nonpartisan truth seekers without an agenda, then doubles down after they have impeach Roussef in a soft coup and imprison Lula de Silva. It was later revealed by Glenn Greenwald (another lefty anti-russiagate person) that operation car wash was a right wing driven hit machine from the start, and the attacks on Roussef and Lula were a joint effort from the right wing and the judges/prosecutors who ran the operation.

See Jimmy sees a commission set up ostensibly to root out corruption and he’s all for it, even after it takes down the Brazilian left and helps install a fascist. This is the logical conclusion of the whole “I’ll agree with the right if the left is wrong” mentality.  If politics was guided by the virtue of truth we wouldn’t be here. And that’s not to mention that Lula’s charges were entirely trumped up, and Roussef’s “crimes” amounted to an accounting error. Dore is too dumb to see the bigger implications of things like java jato and he’s too arrogant to admit when he’s wrong about it after the fact.


Thanks for finally providing an example.  I really didn't want a big argument about this, I was just a little surprised by your initial unwillingness to back your claim up with an example.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
I disagree, you have to go after people that are registered to vote and will vote.

Again, Trump won on an Anti-Establishment platform.  That platform only works because of the MSM is full of dishonesty and the Democratic Party won't stop with the endless false narratives against Trump.

I truly believe that if Bernie isn't the Democratic candidate, the Jimmy Dore's of the world are going to make a convincing argument to give Trump the vote just out of spite and frustration.


It wouldn’t surprise me. And the Democratic establishment will use that as a cudgel against the left and beat them back into submission.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Trump won on an Anti-Establishment platform.  That platform only works because of the MSM is full of dishonesty and the Democratic Party won't stop with the endless false narratives against Trump.


That's a good point.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Has Jimmy Dore responded to the allegations that he took money from an Assad lobbying group while he was arguing that the chemical weapons attacks came not from Assad, but was a false flag staged by an opponent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore

This is the source of claim against Dore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellingcat

Bellingcat appears, among other things, to be anti-Syria/anti-Russia. I don't know enough about them to judge, but that wiki article seems to indicate their journalistic research methods are rigorous.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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I forgot about that. Was that happening around the same time as the hysteria surrounding Gabbard meeting with Assad?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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I don't know the timeline of her meeting. I think she was doing it to promote peace, and now some people (some named Hillary) are using it to call her a stooge for Russia. It's an old cold war trick. Because you know, if you're for peace, then you must be advocating American submission.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones] * 3
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it’s funny when they tell on themselves.

“Oh you’re for peace? Why do you hate America?!”


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Trump won on an Anti-Establishment platform.  That platform only works because of the MSM is full of dishonesty and the Democratic Party won't stop with the endless false narratives against Trum



I know right since it’s Veterans Day you would think they would be talking about how he steals money from veterans .

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Judge Saliann Scarpulla said Mr Trump had "breached his fiduciary duty" by allowing funds raised for US veterans to be used for the Iowa primary election in 2016.




https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50338231?ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&fbclid=IwAR22ZurJMo74r7fywtFpVWJEioPywrjkIy3Wv3xUAA5xN_do4jT1hr_HY-k


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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People are talking about how donnie took money from the troops though...also how he got booed at the veteran's day parade.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
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Veterans Day is about reinforcing militarism, not valuing veterans.


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