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#20624521 - 09/27/14 06:08 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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There has to be a limit on how much a candidate can spend on their campaign.
Why?
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Anahata]
#20624911 - 09/27/14 09:27 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would like to talk to you in person, but i wont because i'm afraid of meeting people online.
There has to be a limit on how much a candidate can spend on their campaign.
I guess this is what im trying to convey, if an independent campaign maker wants to make a film or song or book or banner or commercial, or whatever, about a candidate then that's okay, but if at the end the candidate says i approve of this message, then the candidate must make sure that they don't endorse anything or combination of anything that goes above the campaign set dollar amount.
There is a limit on how much any one person can donate to a candidate. This has absolutely nothing to do with Citizens United. How would you cap spending, anyway? Would you have the same limit for a Senate race in NY as in North Dakota? Lower limits for House seats, governorships, state assemblies? What about the Party committees? Shut them down?
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#20624975 - 09/27/14 09:48 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Easily.
You can cry "but freedom," but in the real world every law that exists restricts freedom.
If I have to axe the anonymity of political groups to prevent Goldman Sachs from buying my Congressman, so fucking be it.
Somehow Canada managed to do it without becoming Nazi Germany.
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20625377 - 09/27/14 11:27 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Easily.
You can cry "but freedom," but in the real world every law that exists restricts freedom.
If I have to axe the anonymity of political groups to prevent Goldman Sachs from buying my Congressman, so fucking be it.
Somehow Canada managed to do it without becoming Nazi Germany.
Once again you completely missed the point. He wanted to put limits on spending by candidates. There are already limits on how much anybody can donate to a candidiate.
I'd rather Goldman Sachs ran the country then these feckless cunts the retards elect
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
#20625983 - 09/27/14 01:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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who do the retards elect?
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20626027 - 09/27/14 01:56 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pretty much everybody in office.
There is an intrinsic flaw to Democracy. The skills needed to get elected have almost no overlap with the skills needed to govern
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
#20626072 - 09/27/14 02:07 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pretty much everybody in office.
There is an intrinsic flaw to Democracy. The skills needed to get elected have almost no overlap with the skills needed to govern
Agreed.
But Goldman and their ilk get pretty much everyone in office elected, too.
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20626204 - 09/27/14 02:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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No they don't.
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
#20626465 - 09/27/14 03:25 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok dude
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#20636745 - 09/29/14 06:06 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Quote:
Anahata said:
I would like to talk to you in person, but i wont because i'm afraid of meeting people online.
There has to be a limit on how much a candidate can spend on their campaign.
I guess this is what im trying to convey, if an independent campaign maker wants to make a film or song or book or banner or commercial, or whatever, about a candidate then that's okay, but if at the end the candidate says i approve of this message, then the candidate must make sure that they don't endorse anything or combination of anything that goes above the campaign set dollar amount.
There is a limit on how much any one person can donate to a candidate. This has absolutely nothing to do with Citizens United. How would you cap spending, anyway? Would you have the same limit for a Senate race in NY as in North Dakota? Lower limits for House seats, governorships, state assemblies? What about the Party committees? Shut them down?
You misinterpreted. You can donate till your hearts content, but the amount spent should be limited, otherwise you will get ONLY wealthy people who want power and control, and they will flood the market so to speak. When there is a limit, it comes down to who is the better candidate. Come on.
Also yes to all your other questions.
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Anahata] 2
#20636922 - 09/29/14 06:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, you'd be alright living in a country where a government agency decides what is and what isn't political spending and can censor those they deem to have spent too much on political issues?
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
#20639955 - 09/30/14 12:15 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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hand picked politicians by our our nations wealthiest.
Makes me smile!
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil] 1
#20640748 - 09/30/14 03:26 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, you'd be alright living in a country where a government agency decides what is and what isn't political spending and can censor those they deem to have spent too much on political issues?
Yeah, sounds pretty chill.
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20640770 - 09/30/14 03:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have a lot more faith in the integrity and honesty of politicians that I.
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: Enlil]
#20640793 - 09/30/14 03:36 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have a lot more faith in the integrity and honesty of politicians that I.
I actually don't.
But the biggest step to making them honest is to reform campaign finance laws.
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20640836 - 09/30/14 03:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amen
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: PsyDragon]
#20640860 - 09/30/14 03:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Giving government the power to decide what political speech is and isn't allowed is pretty much giving politicians the power to keep themselves in office forever.
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20640899 - 09/30/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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But the biggest step to making them honest is to reform campaign finance laws.
You gonna ban media editorials and union donations at the same time?
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#20641101 - 09/30/14 04:55 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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All you have to do to expose liberal thuggery is get them to answer questions
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Re: 79% of Americans want Campaign Finance Reform, Senate Republicans say Fuck You [Re: zappaisgod]
#20641156 - 09/30/14 05:08 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
Giving government the power to decide what political speech is and isn't allowed is pretty much giving politicians the power to keep themselves in office forever.
We are the government. We decide.
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The Ecstatic said:
But the biggest step to making them honest is to reform campaign finance laws.
You gonna ban media editorials and union donations at the same time?
Union donations yes, axing a free press no.
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All you have to do to expose liberal thuggery is get them to answer questions
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