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OfflineLightningfractal
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Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool"....
    #2440752 - 03/16/04 09:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

money = government.

Money is the concept of greed in a physical form. As long as you have money, you can get whatever you want/need even if someone else might need it more, but does not have this money.

Money equals the government, which is greed as an empire. That's why the government produces money. There must be a catalyst, money enables greed. It provides a way to accumulate and hoard more than what you actually need.  Those who hate the government and yet love money are fundementally in error.

Money is nothing, yet everything, which is why people will kill and steal for it. Money has no real value, except maybe as toilet paper. It is greed, the root of all evil. It started the evil, and without it there would be no evil in the world. Money is like nothing else on Earth, and is a filthy concept.

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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2440788 - 03/16/04 09:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It is greed, the root of all evil. It started the evil, and without it there would be no evil in the world. Money is like nothing else on Earth, and is a filthy concept.


I made the following point as I've said exactly in the past:




Money is an energy tool. It's like a hammer, it can either be used to build, or for destruction. It's neutral.
It boils down to the person's collective and total sum of moments, choices, decisions, influences, chosen paths, methods of thought, attitudes, upbringings, unique pysche, and so on; that determines HOW the person will use money.




Using  "LightningFractal-logic", all rocks are evil. Why? Because all over the world, people in wars and battles are throwing rocks at their enemies and buildings, thus causing damage and perpetuating negativity. So, if all rocks were eliminated off the planet earth, then Evil would cease to exist, or perhaps, at least dramatically drop? :smirk:




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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2440789 - 03/16/04 09:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Selfishness is the root of all problems.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: psyka]
    #2440804 - 03/16/04 09:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Humans are the root of all evil.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: ImOver18]
    #2440812 - 03/16/04 09:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

yeah, money's fine

its humans I'm not sure about


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2440824 - 03/16/04 09:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

money drives greedy and selfish people. It was created to. Money is not like a rock or a hammer.

Rocks do not drive people to do things, ('cept crack rocks.)

people do not kill and maim to accumulate more and more hammers either.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2440857 - 03/16/04 09:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Money is fine... it is just a very abused system.
What is truly evil... is credit.
Invisible money.
Through credit one may have power over another.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2440863 - 03/16/04 09:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

how can an inanimate object be "good" or "evil"?


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2440866 - 03/16/04 09:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I say we all go back to trade and cut the government out completely.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2440877 - 03/16/04 09:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That's a splendid idea.
I've got pair of old boots and a cheese grater.. want to trade for a sack of rice?


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2440888 - 03/16/04 09:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

how can an inanimate object be "good" or "evil"?





It's the "root" of evil. What if I made a game where according to the "rules" everyone who played needed to kill 3 people a day?

Ok, the game itself, and the "rulebook", isn't evil right? It's just an inanimate object.

But the point is that it is NOT just an object like a rock or a hammer. It's a whole fucking game man, and money has it's rulebook too.

So, my game would be the ROOT, of 3 people getting killed, per player, per day.

And money is said to be the root of ALL EVIL, because money attempts to place a price upon everything.

Ponder.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2440890 - 03/16/04 09:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
how can an inanimate object be "good" or "evil"?



Good question.

Money is merely a medium of exchange. If we didn't have money we would all have to barter our goods and services. Imagine an auto worker trying to barter his services with the grocer. Imagine a construction worker trying to exchange work he's done on a new house for his daughter's prom dress...


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2440892 - 03/16/04 09:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'll make it five sacks of rice if you toss in some of them shroomz! :lol:


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Evolving]
    #2440897 - 03/16/04 09:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Selfishness is the root of all evil...go ahead...think about it. You'll find its true.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Evolving]
    #2440898 - 03/16/04 09:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Or imagine if everyone just provided their services free of charge, and everyone got what they needed for free. :gasp:
No..that would just be too equal.. and there would be no one on top of the pyramid.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2440902 - 03/16/04 09:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Lightningfractal said:
money drives greedy and selfish people. It was created to. Money is not like a rock or a hammer.

Rocks do not drive people to do things, ('cept crack rocks.)

people do not kill and maim to accumulate more and more hammers either.




He has a point. It's not just the person using the money that is inherently bad.

Rocks for instance, are just elements, slapped together. You can use them to kill people if you want, but that's not their purpose.

Now, goods and services can be bartered for. If everyone had a skill, or something to offer the world, then we could exist without money. Bartering is a natural currency.

Money's existence ruins this concept. It gives the ability for people to give something with no value and gain something with value. It facilitates sloth, greed, and violence as has been discussed. It's just a replacement for work, or skill.


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2440909 - 03/16/04 09:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

selfish desire is evil, if you see someone in need you should do whatever is in your means to help that person, that where the idea of comunial living comes, sell everything, purchase property, set up camp and till the earth, evryone serving each other and not them selves, the love of money is the root of all evil, not the money it self,


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2440925 - 03/16/04 09:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

so you're saying that if we abolished money as a medium and went back to bartering then people would stop stealing from eachother, ganging up on eachother, and using force to intimidate eachother into non- mutually amicable arrangements?


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: Evolving]
    #2440942 - 03/16/04 09:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Imagine an auto worker trying to barter his services with the grocer. Imagine a construction worker trying to exchange work he's done on a new house for his daughter's prom dress... 




Who knows how the world would have evolved without money. It would be better without all of this nonsense of money, governments, nuclear weapons, all crap that much is certain.

better to have trees, rivers, grow your own food, clean air, clean water...

...fuck cars, fuck industry, fuck money...

..Garden of Eden :gd_icon:


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Re: Money is the root of all evil, not merely a "tool".... [Re: freddurgan]
    #2440947 - 03/16/04 09:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

barter doesn't work when I need a pickle and the pickle maker doesn't want any of my sausage...

with money, I can sell my sausage and buy pickles whenever I need them, instead of only being able to get them when I have the cucumbers the pickle maker needs.


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