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 Re: What is Evil?  [Re: Sinbad]
#3766131 - 02/11/05 10:22 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is all theoretical, I still bleed.... I am a week mortal human, and still gowing in every direction....
I am sure that there would be real life situations where the power of the "flow" would simply overpower the weight of the rock.... At that point you can only hope to have built a few rocks around you to help divert that "flow".... 
Wanna~ go swimming....? 
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 Sinbad
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Whay have a negative attitude towards negativity? Why be averse to aversion? Why try to divert what has already become manifest, negativity isnt the problem, but how we react towards it can be.
Relax in the face of it and it loses its solididy, then we are no longer caught up in it. The same technique must be applied with the positive aspect also.
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 Re: What is Evil? [Re: Swami]
#3766227 - 02/11/05 10:53 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Swami said:
Evil is like a hole in a shirt. In itself the hole does not exist; it can only exist within the being of the shirt. Evil is like a hole; it can only exist within some good thing.
Let's start a fund to get ShroomyDan a new shirt. Maybe one of those plaid, lumberjack, flannel ones. 
That would be awesome 
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Evil is something someone else does, never what he observer does as he ALWAYS has an internally valid reason.
Everyone should really try to grasp this.
From a subjective point of view this is true. From an objective point of view we can say that no one ever chooses evil for the sake of evil. People always choose some good. The person who mugs an old lady and steels her social security check is not intending the evil which he is inflicting upon her; he is merely seeking the good which will come from having the money which he steels. Evil as non-being is incapable of being an object of the will. Hence all choices are choices for good things. What makes an act 'evil' is when the choice made is for a lesser good instead of the greatest possible good. For instance if a person chooses to to sit around smoking crack all day instead of going to work, he is choosing the good of being high, which is a lesser good than the good of supporting his family.
I think we agree again Swami, make that shirt an 1XL. 
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I think we agree again Swami, make that shirt an 1XL.
I think you should fast down to a large and send the extra food to the tsunami victims.
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Re: What is Evil? [Re: Sinbad]
#3766267 - 02/11/05 11:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sinbad said:
Whay have a negative attitude towards negativity? Why be averse to aversion? Why try to divert what has already become manifest, negativity isnt the problem, but how we react towards it can be.
Show where I have displayed "negativity towards negativity"....? I was trying to display a resistance to it by holding strong and "not going with the flow" of negativity.... Like as you had stated here: (as I understood it....)
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Sinbad said:
Similarly your mind takes on the aspect of your surroundings and if your not aware of what i going on, your mind can fill with garbage.. Therefore it is very important to be concious of your surrondings and how they effect your mind.
I think we are on the same page....? Eeeehhh....?
Or do you just want to keep debating the same thing (that we are not really debating?)....?
Are we still debating....? Or just clarifying....(?)  
The water is very refreshing....
Swim....?
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Re: What is Evil? [Re: Swami]
#3766288 - 02/11/05 11:07 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by molil (02/23/05 01:04 AM)
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Sinbad
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Resistance is a negative attribute because whatever you resist will persist. Being aware means that we are not being caught up in negativity but at the same time we are not resisting against it.
When we are being aware there is no need to manipulate or modify anything to our advantage, nor redirect the flow. If we are being aware we can relax in the face of negativity, in this way it comes and it goes with ease and doesn't pile up like garbage in the mind.
Resistance is a manifestation of negativity. Whenever their is internal or external negativity you will notice resistance in your mind.
I'm not debating just clarifying.
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Edited by Sinbad (02/11/05 12:12 PM)
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 Re: What is Evil? [Re: Sinbad]
#3766393 - 02/11/05 11:37 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will then take of this to be aware, as opposed to resisting.... And I will grow.... Your words make more sense as I sit and digest.... I have been told this before, but in slightly different words, or a different "light" or "style"....
Thank you for clarifying..... 
NOW.....
Do ya~ wanna go swimming....? 
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Re: What is Evil? [Re: Sinbad]
#3767665 - 02/11/05 05:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, finally a thread of mine has taken off! And this is some really waist deep intellectual puddle of profundity we have waded into here.
Some of these were poetic essays on the quality of evil. (side not) some of these posts would be really great music lyrics....think about it. (anyway) I only saw a few people though who posted and thought outside of their own perception, and that was the meat of the question. It wasnt just about naming some things that were evil, even though i asked that, but more about realizing your judgement is based from a distorted and flawed perception (which is everyone), and trying to remove yourself from the topic at hand and then thinking about defining evilness. Anything debated long enough, will eventually end up in the realm of existentialism or solipsism, so why not start at that point and go from there. As you can see, evil is kind of hard to define once you take yourself out of the equation and start to look at it in a universal sense.
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Trying to define evil outside sentient life is like trying to define how much a fallen rock hurts when it falls on sand.
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now you see where I am at....
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yes, but I think you look at it from a different angle.
You know if that rock fell to someones arm or paw, it would hurt, of course it is in their head, but it is still pain, and suddenly the rock got an etiquete saying it hurts. So the fact that it hurts inside someones head, or that it isn't a "rock" at all outside someones head (just a random bunch of atoms, we are the ones that see the similarity between two rocks), does not make it hurt any less.
It is evil because we agree it's evil, because we all don't want it to happen to us or our loved ones, and some of us with a big heart don't want it happened to anyone.
It is our head, our mind, our nerves, our pain, all of it inside us, and we have a right to call it evil or apple because it concenrs only things inside our head.
It is just a word we use for the type of behaviour that is anti-love and harmony.
Here is an example of what I mean:
There is a baby which loves carrot juice, now loving carrot juice is not good or bad, it is just something we can respect or not, like any other need. So It is good to give the baby carrot juice, and it is bad to steal it away from the baby. Why? Carrot juice has nothing to do with it, it could be anything really. Because it is against babies wishes AND it serves no greater purpuse that the baby might not understand.
The idea of good and bad exists in the mind of the baby and in the minds of people around him. So carrot juice has no moral law attached to it, it is as simple as chosing to live in love and make other people's lives better or living in selfishness.
Now you translate the baby into any human being, and translate carrot juice into joy, habits, lack of pain, you name it.
There is no "right" choice. There is choice that results in one thing or one that results in another thing. Love results in healthier psyche of you and your friends, it results in hramony, better atmoshpere for development etc.
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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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Edited by OldWoodSpecter (02/11/05 06:13 PM)
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SneezingPenis
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So, then by that standard.... hedonism is good. I dont hear too many people proclaiming the goodness of unabashed, wild hedonism, but hey, it could be on the rise.... I'll go tell Caligula, he will be happy.
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Wild hedonism is being a slave to your senses. Nobody forces you to avoid it, it's just that it might be an obstacle in other things in your life.
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And why is pain bad? or evil? There are a whole myriad of sensations we can get as a human, every one of them equally beautiful in their own sense. Just like every emotion is equally valid. We are all guilty of dragging ourselves down only to be lifted by our vices. Sadness, anger, jealousy are all just equally important emotions as happiness, affinity and joy. Like that hole in the shirt, without the sadness in your life, how would you guage your own happiness? Yes, A rock can fall on my hand, and i feel pain, but what is evil in the vastness of every human perception? Take that carrot paste away from the baby, and it will be miserable and start to cry, how is that evil? the baby needs to get used to both sides of existence. Just because it is a negative term doesnt negate its usefulness or beauty. Would an art peice that filled you with joy be any better than an art peice that made you depressed?
Take comfort that you are a human, and can experience and express, and affect almost everything! I have a mild case of athletes foot, i could cure it with tinactin or whatever, but I enjoy itching my foot too much. Kind of like tantric pain/elation. Something is only evil if you insist that it is so in your reality. Once you stop believing in evil, you have no use for it and thusly it ceases to exist for you or affect you in any way.
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Re: What is Evil? [Re: Swami]
#3770405 - 02/12/05 08:49 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Swami said:
Can one not acknowledge past evil-doing?
That is irrelevant. What was going through your mind AT THE TIME when you did an allegedly evil act?
good and evil are perceptions. what's good for one is evil for another.
In reality someone could only be "good" if evil could never touch them. a "good" person, if one were to exist, would never die, never be in any position to recieve pain or injury, and would be "good" simply by living life. Therefore only the creator is "good".
an "evil" person, if one were to exist, would by definition not exist at all because hands and feet are "good", eyesight is "good", being able to think is "good" etc. etc.
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all life avoids discomfort and seeks pleasure, that is why all life named discomofort bad and pleasure good.
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I guess then evil falls under the category of human delusion
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Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader, are your own nature reflected in them. As the Prophet said, 'The faithful are mirrors to one another'.
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Re: What is Evil? [Re: spidercid]
#3770500 - 02/12/05 09:54 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep!
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