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InvisibleAutonomous
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Drugs are evil!
    #1796922 - 08/10/03 01:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Drugs are evil...
Guns are evil...
Money is the root of all evil...

What a crock of shit!

These are all inanimate objects. Is penicillin evil? Were the guns used by American soldiers to liberate the Jews in Nazi concentration camps evil? Is money sent to Sally Struther's "Feed the Children" charity evil? How can anyone be so simple minded as to believe that these or any other non-living things can be the cause or source of evil? Evil is a value that can only come from the intentions of and actions taken by people. The actions and intent of humans manipulating objects in their environment to certain ends may be evil, but not the objects themselves.

Individuals should be assigned full responsibility for their actions and blame should be placed squarely upon the shoulders of the actors, not the objects used in their actions. To do otherwise is not treating the cause of the moral ills which threaten the well being of our fellow man. Human intent and behavior are at the root of all evil. If we are to improve our world, this is where we must start. Attempting to control the material when the source of our problem is in the realm of the spiritual/moral/cognitive will NEVER lead us to success.

So, where do we begin? First, within ourselves. Then in how we conduct ourselves as INDIVIDUALS helping other individuals in communicating and understanding the memes which are necessary to transform human society. Appeal to reason and appeal to humanity, it is better to get agreement than to command obedience. Coercion will not, threats will not, legislation will not, society only advances when people begin to accept the ideas and morality as their own, as part of their culture and part of their psyche.

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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Autonomous]
    #1796935 - 08/10/03 01:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The feed the children commercials are evil.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1796947 - 08/10/03 01:26 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well I do have it on good authority that Sally Struthers includes in her diet healthy portions of tenderly cooked pre-pubescent Ethiopians.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Autonomous]
    #1796954 - 08/10/03 01:30 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

We'll win the war or choke their rivers with our dead. Don't worry.




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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Learyfan]
    #1797267 - 08/10/03 04:03 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

autonomous: Were the guns used by American soldiers to liberate the Jews in Nazi concentration camps evil?


right, im not trying to de-rail or hijack this thread, but can you please save your romanticizations for the political forum, where they will be promptly dissected?

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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1797352 - 08/10/03 05:10 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I remember in an Ayn Rand book I read there was a big speech about how money isn't evil, men are evil, and you should blame men cause they cant handle their money, not the money itself.

This is true in some ways. But I also think its true that certain forces present in every indicidual tend to be drawn out by money. It isnt evil in itself, but it brings out peoples evil. The effect is the same. I've seen a lot of good people allow themselves to be corrupted by both power and money.

the worst kind of corruption is when people stop caring about anything but srlf indulgence. You dont have to scam stockholders and employees out of their pay to be an evil rich guy. All it takes is indifference to ones environment and fellow man.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1797368 - 08/10/03 05:20 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I think Ayn Rand was a creep.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1797450 - 08/10/03 06:54 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Popup ads are fucking evil. Commercialism, this consumer-fetish attitude that the U.S. has is evil. So is the aggression-fetish that this culture here in the U.S. seems to have. And the selfish-individualism fetish. IMHO.

You're right, our overall individual attitudes need to change before legistlation and things like that do. How could the latter ever be effective without the former?


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: neutralizer]
    #1797546 - 08/10/03 09:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, well the goverment has their concept of where trouble begins all messed up, thats why drugs are illegal ands drug dealers are in jail. See they say they want to sweep drug dealers off the streets and Mexican druglords off our country because of the murders and wepons associated with thse drug dealers, When i truth 85% of the murders that occur over drugs, the root of it is that the product is illegal in the first place. You might get killed walking in the woods in California for stumbuling acroos a Marijuana field, but is Marijuana responsible for that death or the fact that its illega and these people have to protect their Billion dollar industry this way because there is no other way. Drugs arent evil, guns arent evil, BUSH IS!!!

Anyway, money is the root of SOME evil but not ALL, thats why that famous catch phrase is wrong, SEX is also the root of ALOT of evil, RAPE, child mallestation, and people who kill people over love partners and cheating. Anyone agree????


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Spokesman]
    #1797552 - 08/10/03 09:06 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Self-importance is the root of all evil.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: neutralizer]
    #1797875 - 08/10/03 12:48 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Personally, I'd say man's desire to exert control is the root of all evil.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1797887 - 08/10/03 12:51 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

atomikfunksoldier, if you can't add anything rational or constructive to this thread, please refrain from polluting it.

Oh, if would make you happier I could change the gun example to: "Were the guns used by Viet Cong defending their homes and their families against the aggressive American capitalist imperialists evil?"

Regarding your link, I stated "concentration camps" not extermination camps.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Pyronate]
    #1798055 - 08/10/03 01:58 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Pyronate said:
Personally, I'd say man's desire to exert control is the root of all evil.




But why does he want to exert control?


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: neutralizer]
    #1798088 - 08/10/03 02:18 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

hey man, im not anti-american, nor am I a commie, so watch your jive. I just hate it when americans romanticize their role in world-war 2. Its self-deluding and false. Not that the american army didnt produce alot of good results, but know your history!


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1798170 - 08/10/03 02:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

atomikfunksoldier said:
hey man, im not anti-american, nor am I a commie, so watch your jive.



Ooops! I'll consider myself warned.

Quote:

I just hate it when americans romanticize their role in world-war 2. Its self-deluding and false. Not that the american army didnt produce alot of good results, but know your history!



Are you claiming that American forces did not liberate any concentration camps and that there were no Jews present in any of the camps? I recall reading some accounts that contradict this, but hey, they could have been lies.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Autonomous]
    #1798634 - 08/10/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well, imo, as good as it makes us look now, our priority was never to save Jews. I think that's what Atomik is talking about with romanticizing. It's annoying to hear the notion that America was going over there to liberate the jews.

I mean really, if Germany had played nice with U.S. and the rest of the Allies, you think we (america in general) would have given a shit about the Jews situation?

But whatever, it happened and I'm sure many soldiers were aware of the lives they were saving. It was a good thing. fuck nazi scum.

just my .02


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: neutralizer]
    #1799097 - 08/10/03 08:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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neutralizer said:
But why does he want to exert control?




Evolutionary advantage. The humans that try to exert control will usually gain control over the humans that do not.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Grav]
    #1799127 - 08/10/03 08:28 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Grav said:
Well, imo, as good as it makes us look now, our priority was never to save Jews. I think that's what Atomik is talking about with romanticizing. It's annoying to hear the notion that America was going over there to liberate the jews...



My original post never romanticized anything, nor did I ever imply that America was going over there to liberate the Jews. What is annoying is when people are so blinded by their jaded view of America and Americans that they ignore the point of a post and derail a thread because their emotionalism clouds their perception. I restated the question using a different example. Next time I will try to draw examples from fictional stories such as Star Wars so as not to offend the PC sensibilities of generation Yners.


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: Pyronate]
    #1799173 - 08/10/03 08:40 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Pyronate said:
Evolutionary advantage. The humans that try to exert control will usually gain control over the humans that do not. 




But that doesn't happen.  Most people who are part of oppressed groups usually 1)die at an early age and 2)have high infant mortality rates, however, 3) because of these things, they have a larger number of children than people in industrialized societies.  Their genes are very much still being passed on, and don't show any signs of changing.

Does that evolutionary advantage ever culminate in anything besides what amounts to ethnic cleansing/racism/genocide?  Hitler's germany did what you said (if I am interpreting you right).  Our laws and governments do not allow for this to happen - so what happens now?  By doing this (and also by many other ways) we have thrown a wrench into the natural selection process and now everything's all wonky.

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Next time I will try to draw examples from fictional stories such as Star Wars so as not to offend the PC sensibilities of generation Yners. 




If you use SW you'll be offending all the people who put Jedi as their religion on their census forms :grin:


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Re: Drugs are evil! [Re: neutralizer]
    #1799481 - 08/10/03 10:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Not really what I meant. My point had more to do with the fact that humans that attempt to exert control over their environment will tend to advance technologically, and humans that attempt to exert control over their fellow humans will tend to gain power over them.

Contrast this to humans that do not attempt to exert control over their environment or fellow humans: technological advances will be slow (if present at all), and they will probably be taken over by a more aggressive, control-oriented group of humans.


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