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OfflineCerebralFlower
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There is no evil
    #5320999 - 02/20/06 08:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There is no evil, else there would be nothing. Only in misunderstading something, one finds evil.
There is life, therefore there is no evil
If there is only life, where is the evil?
IF there were evil, there would be nothing
There is something, therefore good is overpowering bad....
but....
but what?
Evil is just a notion created from our fears and when we do not eliminate, or explore our fears there is an ...
fear = evil
in lack of exploring our fears evil is created

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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: There is no evil [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #5321406 - 02/20/06 09:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)


The SS beltbuckle reads: "God is With Us." It was special issue, and those who manned the extermination camps wore one. Would you wash your face with soap made of human fat that was skimmed from ditches running from the crematoria? Would you buy purses or lampshades made from human skin, or sleep on mattresses stuffed with hair from exterminated human beings? Yes? You yourself are evil. No?, why not - allergies? Or does EVIL have something to do with your choice?


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Re: There is no evil [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5321499 - 02/20/06 10:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

there is evil, perhaps it could be said that all evils results from ignorance but there is evil.


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Re: There is no evil [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #5321514 - 02/20/06 10:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For the sake of this discussion I think it would be very useful to define the words "evil", "good", and "bad".


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Re: There is no evil [Re: dblaney]
    #5321762 - 02/20/06 11:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good=balance
Evil=inbalance

There is balance to everything, a natural state, a true state. Evil is something that destroys the balance. Most parts of nature are incapable of evil. Death is not evil, it is part of the balance. Evil is in choice, evil is free will. For something with free will(some animals have this trait too, believe it or not) Good and evil are both choices. Any good choice preserves the balance, or corrects an evil, and any evil choice destroys the balance. that is why it is near impossible to find one at fault from either a good or evil perspective. Yin and Yang. peace

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Re: There is no evil [Re: blaze2]
    #5321786 - 02/20/06 11:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oh yea and evil is nesecarry because without it there is no stimulous for change. Evil drives Good, it is what makes our would dynamic instead of static. A world completely in balance would need no more change, in fact change by its nature would HAVE to put it back of balance. So either you want an unchanging static perfect world(sounds dull to me), or you want a world like ours full of ever changing forms of life, even with the evil it brings.

after all how would one know how much love meant if one had never felt hate, and the hate of others? Evil shows us why Good is Good. You cant appreciate something without knowing its opposite. peace

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Re: There is no evil [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #5321875 - 02/20/06 11:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

there is no evil?

man, you need to get out more. it's everywhere. thank god love is too.


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Re: There is no evil [Re: blaze2]
    #5322117 - 02/21/06 12:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

blaze2 said:
oh yea and evil is nesecarry because without it there is no stimulous for change. Evil drives Good, it is what makes our would dynamic instead of static. A world completely in balance would need no more change, in fact change by its nature would HAVE to put it back of balance. So either you want an unchanging static perfect world(sounds dull to me), or you want a world like ours full of ever changing forms of life, even with the evil it brings.

after all how would one know how much love meant if one had never felt hate, and the hate of others? Evil shows us why Good is Good. You cant appreciate something without knowing its opposite. peace

blaze2





this doesn't logically follow. there is no reason the world couldn't continually grow and change within the confines of balance. discord is not necessary for growth.


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OfflineCerebralFlower
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Re: There is no evil [Re: spock]
    #5322221 - 02/21/06 12:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hey spock ive been thru some rough shit recetnly, dont doubt that ive had alot of rough times, but really if there was evil there would be nothing what i meant is people only do evil things, because of misunderstandings

my point wasnt that clear i guess. sorry

our existance is sacred. We only exist because of good(+). If there were bad (-)it would balance out the good and there would be nothing. but there is SOMETHING(+)
therefore the good is more powerful than the bad

honestly, i dont know what im talking about
its just my ideas, they may mean nothing to you



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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play



Edited by CerebralFlower (02/21/06 02:41 AM)


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OfflineCerebralFlower
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Re: There is no evil [Re: blaze2]
    #5322261 - 02/21/06 12:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

blaze2 said:
oh yea and evil is nesecarry because without it there is no stimulous for change. Evil drives Good, it is what makes our would dynamic instead of static. A world completely in balance would need no more change, in fact change by its nature would HAVE to put it back of balance. So either you want an unchanging static perfect world(sounds dull to me), or you want a world like ours full of ever changing forms of life, even with the evil it brings.

after all how would one know how much love meant if one had never felt hate, and the hate of others? Evil shows us why Good is Good. You cant appreciate something without knowing its opposite. peace

blaze2



I disagree about one thing. The part about love
LOVE is something before hate, you can appreciate love more once you have seen how cruel and HATEful someone can be.


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play



Edited by CerebralFlower (02/21/06 02:35 AM)


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Re: There is no evil [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #5322380 - 02/21/06 01:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

CerebralFlower said:
Quote:

blaze2 said:
oh yea and evil is nesecarry because without it there is no stimulous for change. Evil drives Good, it is what makes our would dynamic instead of static. A world completely in balance would need no more change, in fact change by its nature would HAVE to put it back of balance. So either you want an unchanging static perfect world(sounds dull to me), or you want a world like ours full of ever changing forms of life, even with the evil it brings.

after all how would one know how much love meant if one had never felt hate, and the hate of others? Evil shows us why Good is Good. You cant appreciate something without knowing its opposite. peace

blaze2




though i dont like to admit this. it is true,
and well spoken





i get what you're saying, you're saying that evil isn't the polar opposite of God (or whatever you wanna call it) because if it was God would cancel himself out.


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Re: There is no evil [Re: blaze2]
    #5322554 - 02/21/06 01:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

blaze2 said:

after all how would one know how much love meant if one had never felt hate, and the hate of others? Evil shows us why Good is Good. You cant appreciate something without knowing its opposite. peace

blaze2



Do not accept evil as necessary. It is a world we were born into, there is much imbalance, but it does not have to a permanent reality. I knew love before I understood hate, I'd imagine the same holds true for most children.

Love is connection, intimacy, and honesty with another human being, if you throw it into a dualistic nature with hate love becomes meaningless.

It's easy to say that being an American is great when you look at a starving Ethiopian, but is being an American really great in the first place? There is always room for improvement, greater balance, greater peace, if love can only exist with hate, love is worthless if you ask me.

I mean think about it. The summer can be intolerably hot for the feeble, likewise so can the winter. It is not to say that the winter is good and the summer is bad...... when you are in summer you want winter and in winter you want summer.

Balance.

Balance is neither duality and neither extreme. Pleasure is simply pleasure and love is simply love, and they are not contingent upon some sort of arbitrarily created reciprocals.

and at any rate I cannot really see love and hate as polar opposites, because hate is much stronger and easier a concept to embrace and requirse very little work.

I would say that humans have to learn to meditate the negative with positive though, it's not important to be a BLIND optimist, but to say that you can't know hate without love is rather absurd.

There are plenty of families that love each other completely, are completely devoid of hate, and yet the love is still simply that.... love. Children do not hate unless they are conditioned to, however it is very easy for them to love.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (02/21/06 01:50 AM)


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Re: There is no evil [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #5322634 - 02/21/06 02:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

there is but a spectrum of colors


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Re: There is no evil [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #5322737 - 02/21/06 03:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

CerebralFlower said:
There is no evil, else there would be nothing. Only in misunderstading something, one finds evil.
There is life, therefore there is no evil
If there is only life, where is the evil?
IF there were evil, there would be nothing
There is something, therefore good is overpowering bad....
but....
but what?
Evil is just a notion created from our fears and when we do not eliminate, or explore our fears there is an ...
fear = evil
in lack of exploring our fears evil is created

:heart: :shocked: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heartpump: :happyheart: :peace: :shineon:

:heart: :heart::heart: :heart::heart: :heart::heart: :heart::heart: :heart::heart: :heart::heart: :heart::heart: :heart::heart: :heart::heart: :heart:




I recomend seeing this movie, 'K-PAX' ..

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OfflineCerebralFlower
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Re: There is no evil [Re: Gomp]
    #5322746 - 02/21/06 03:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i watched KPAX a long time ago Gomp, ill check it out thanks



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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play



Edited by CerebralFlower (02/21/06 03:32 AM)


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Re: There is no evil [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5322908 - 02/21/06 05:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I got the impression that this person might have came down from a trip in which they were very, very high. When people come down from an ecstatic state there's a good chance they'll start wrestling with their thoughts, attempting to pin down a grandiose explanation of reality that they hope will become their new source of ecstasy. I think it's an attempt to cling to the high, as if though they'll never be high again, that fuels such existential mania of vague and abstract symbolic logic. With more experience hopefully one becomes more aware of the ebbs and flows of ecstasy, in which one would realize that such preoccupations prolong the typical ebb indefinately.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: There is no evil [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #5323878 - 02/21/06 02:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i tend to disagree about me trying to cling to something, i was just trying to offer my insights


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Re: There is no evil [Re: blaze2]
    #5323890 - 02/21/06 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

blaze2 said:
Good=balance
Evil=inbalance

There is balance to everything, a natural state, a true state.  Evil is something that destroys the balance.




Nothing can imbalance the Universe, it is the transitory state of all aspects of the universe that constantly maintains that balance.

Evil and Good do not exist beyond our human conceptions.

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Like being here
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Re: There is no evil [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5323951 - 02/21/06 02:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Very well articulated :thumbup:


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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Re: There is no evil [Re: dblaney]
    #5324067 - 02/21/06 03:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

(Opps..intended to original poster)
Hmmm..I am very sorry to inform you that evil indeed exists. It is an outcome of pure intellectual and abstract consideration from conscious intelligence towards the material way of existence and persistence.
It is about the control of that view and its implantation into every human to make them dependend on money and the power within.
This is mal-use of power and money, but it is how the system works and that is in the most cases straight ancient evil.


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