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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said:
Black is not a race. 



race doesnt exist, it's merely a social construct and thus there is no racism
and never been a racially motivated killing

your job here is done


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: theRAPeutic]
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theRAPeutic said:
moonrockmushy said:
drege said:
Thats real cute, what is he like 17? He looks like he's got mental problems.
Herman bell, Mumia Abu-Jamal and Marshall “Eddie” Conway - were affliiated with the black panthers, should we conclude that the black panther movement is a group of racial merderous ideology? Moreover, since they were all black men should we say that all black men are racist hateful murders?
No, that would be racist on OUR part to say that now wouldn't it.
Now do you see the idiocy of condemning groups and races for the actions of the individual?


:yeahthatsfunny: My word that is stupid.

Yes it would be racist to say that all black men are murderous.  Yes the black panthers are a racist organization as far as I know.

I am happy to condemn black people who are racists, and I never denied they're out there, nor did anyone else.

It is amazing how many of the same points I am reading in this manifesto.  Funny thing, Mr. Storm Roof is not even racist.  It is white people who allow blacks to be loud and obnoxious out of pity who are truly racist :facepalm:


Black panthers are not a racist organization. Black Panthers was started in retaliation to the KKK to protect black people and teach self defense to brothers and sisters. they are not even comparable. Nor would black panther party have even been started if it werent for the KKK lynching, bombing and instilling fear to keep blacks from voting, and keep them submissive and fearful


The Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights consider the New Black Panthers to be a hate group.[5][6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
moonrockmushy said:
Black is not a race. 



race doesnt exist, it's merely a social construct and thus there is no racism
and never been a racially motivated killing

your job here is done


As far as refuting that idea, yes it is, unless you want to define a race using more than one mutually exclusive characteristic.  If all you're saying about black people is that they have darker skin than white people, I don't know what we're arguing about.  If you think it indicates race, what else can be said with certainty about that race?

Are you going to tell me big butts too?

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: theRAPeutic]
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By that rationale the KKK is a terrorist group making the panthers a vigilante militia.
both of which aims to disrupt the peaceful social fabric of this country and negatively impact the lives of all free men humans under the united states constitution based on skin color - that is racist, antisocial and morally depraved no matter how you look at it.

Fact; killing another human being is wrong under any circumstance, true?
acts of violence against another human being are wrong, true?
Oppressing another human being because of their differences is wrong, no?
Why are we arguing these points?


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Prisoner#1]
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You do know the New black panther party is different from the original black panthers right? theyre not the same thing, and aren't these new black panther partys just practicing freedom of speech like you always defend? Are they going ahead and mass murdering, bombing and trying to instill fear in white people like the KKK did to blacks? what about siphoning into and having connections with the police force/government? the KKK and police force were heavily intertwined at one point. Probably still are. Thats what makes white supremacists so dangerous. They have support and connections from high levels, and are not only antisocial/misfit kids, but doctors, lawyers, cops, judges etc..

The clear difference is no matter how the KKK started, frat or whatever, they did what they did with no provoking from blacks. The Original black panther party started in retaliation to the KKK and to protect blacks/minorities, teach self defense. crazy when a party is formed to protect minorities, the same minorities being targeted by organized murderers and sociopaths, they're the racists  :lol:

Edited by theRAPeutic (06/21/15 02:19 PM)

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: theRAPeutic]
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Uhh, I don't think anyone said they were racists per se, I however did draw lines of congruency between a white supremacist gunmen and a black panther gunman, thats all.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: drege]
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My comment was directed at pris, but i do agree with a good amount of what you said above. especially the part about the KKK being a terrorist organization and black panthers being a vigilante militia. I just dont agree with comparing the two as if they're on the same level

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: theRAPeutic]
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Was not given the gun by his father apparently.  Bought it himself.

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The gun
Roof turned 21 in April, and a short time later he had a gun.

On Thursday, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer.

Roof purchased a Glock .45-caliber model 41, which holds 13 rounds, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said. Witnesses have reported that Roof reloaded a number of times.

Roof's father and uncle contacted police after surveillance camera images of the suspect were made public, according to the arrest warrant. His father told authorities his son owned a .45-caliber handgun.

Joe Roof, his grandfather, said Roof was given "birthday money" and that the family didn't know what he did with it.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-suspect/index.html

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Interesting. That is different than what was originally reported.

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: theRAPeutic]
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theRAPeutic said:
You do know the New black panther party is different from the original black panthers right? theyre not the same thing,


oh, I guess since we're talking about dinosaurs, the New KKK is different from
the original KKK so that excuses their racism

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and aren't these new black panther partys just practicing freedom of speech like you always defend?



can you show me where I condemned what he said or claimed that his rights
should be suspended because he used hate speech? I support his rights to
say what he wants, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong about the black
panthers not being racist because they are, even those from the ancient
times were racists whether you want to acknowledge it or not



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Are they going ahead and mass murdering, bombing and trying to instill fear in white people like the KKK did to blacks?



yes, they are in fact doing this


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what about siphoning into and having connections with the police force/government?


they have the media and the obama administration on their side


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the KKK and police force were heavily intertwined at one point.


maybe you forgot that the Department of Justice cut a few of them loose right after obama was elected, since since Obama took office the number of violent victimization of whites by blacks in hate crimes has increased from 37% to 53% while the violent victimization of blacks by whites in hate crimes went down from 32% t0 27%

so why isnt the media reporting on this shit? why isnt the FBO making this the
headline on their hate crime statistics since there's an average of 260,000
hate crimes committed each year and whites are the victims of more than half



Quote:
The clear difference is no matter how the KKK started, frat or whatever, they did what they did with no provoking from blacks. The Original black panther party started in retaliation to the KKK and to protect blacks/minorities, teach self defense. crazy when a party is formed to protect minorities, the same minorities being targeted by organized murderers and sociopaths, they're the racists  :lol:



what a group started as has nothing to do with what they have become, it's what
they are today that's important, living in the past certainly never provided
progress. the original black panther party died out long ago, the new black
panther party is a new organization just as the KKK is


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
moonrockmushy said:
But being anti-racist doesn't mean I'm against free speech.


being an anti-racist just means you're a racist in denial




Pris, you really are a dumb fuck, aren't you? Or are you just messing with people for the fun of it?


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Turtletotem]
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I think he's more on the end of conscientious stupidity rather than sincere ignorance.  He just thinks that because an idea exists in his culture, it must be somewhat valid.  Even if white people are not 100% distinct, there are some things that can be said which set them apart.

I mean just look at a white person.  They all walk all stiff like they have a stick up their butt.  They talk all nasally and whiny.  They wear khakis and pastel color button up shirts.  These are things that all white people have in common, there might be some that don't but they're betraying their true racial nature.  That's not offensive it is just fact and can't be argued, because without these stereotypes why would these stereotypes exist?

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Turtletotem]
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he just wants people to be original. it's really slight of hand, but....

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: akira_akuma]
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recording of bond hearing.  Roof talks a couple words @~4m about as meek as you could possibly imagine.  I'm not sure if he's actually that much of a pussy in real life, or if this is designed to help his case.

Also victim's family made statements.

Bond set at 1 million dollars.  Does that mean if someone put up 1 million he could go free until his trial was decided?

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