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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: drege] 2
#21832391 - 06/20/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The confederate flag represents the confederate states that left the U.S. in order to preserve their tradition of owning black people as slaves. That flag represents the southern way of life at the beginjng of the 1860s - a profoundly racist way of life.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
#21832766 - 06/20/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I can tell you this, I've lived all over the south, and as a general rule (both rural and interurban) persons of all race, creed, religion and walks of life proudly fly the stars and bars, though sects of racial bigotry DO exist in those states they are not active, they do not go out and burn flags, lynch POC they do not bust up non white owned shops - people in the south are mostly blind to skin color, The places I see the most racial tension are on the west coast and north of Kentucky with sparse sprinkling of extreme supremacy throughout the midwest and great plains.
Personally, I prefer the south because of this, I have been treated well there, compared to the aforementioned places outside of the dirty south, Louisiana, Mississippi and east texas are my ideal places to live.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21833052 - 06/20/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: The good idea is to abandon and condemn all racism to history where it belongs.
so to you the good idea is to abandon freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and the freedom of thought, to condemn these things because you and a few others do not approve
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21834228 - 06/20/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Racism is not freedom of speech, it is an ideology that people believe in. I am anti-Christianity too, but you wouldn't say I'm against free speech for that would you?
Another idiotic attempt at justifying racism. Mr. Storm Roof must have just been exercising his free speech as an American.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21835308 - 06/21/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Turtletotem]
#21835352 - 06/21/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why is it that most people can't understand that false flag hoaxes using crisis actors are CONSTANTLY being orchestrated and played out, and have been for many years?
The movie Wag The Dog was about exactly that!!!
For some reason people can grasp little individual lies, but it's really hard for them to see the big lies.
Pay Close Attention Folks
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: wakeINpeople]
#21835354 - 06/21/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21835367 - 06/21/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21836447 - 06/21/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Racism is not freedom of speech, it is an ideology that people believe in. I am anti-Christianity too, but you wouldn't say I'm against free speech for that would you?
Another idiotic attempt at justifying racism. Mr. Storm Roof must have just been exercising his free speech as an American. 
An ideology is a thought, and to me freedom of thought is more important than freedom of speech.
It was violence that killed these 9 people. Not racism.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21836479 - 06/21/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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An ideology is a collection of ideas. An idea is usually a collection of thoughts.
Violence is the cause of death, but there is no reason to be so non-specific when we know what happened. These people are not some statistic. They are human beings who were murdered by a man who was motivated in his actions by racial prejudice.
Do you dispute this? Am I twisting your words again?
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21836562 - 06/21/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Most racists do not aspire to end lives, even the most antisocial bigoted and hateful racists only wish to live in a community of like peoples - expunging non whites, more specifically to live amongst those that have the same culture, in other words, a typical white racist wants to listen to hank williams Jr., drink budwiser and go huntin in in a pickup truck, he doesn't wanna live among blacks that listen to rap music, drink olde english and wear roca wear sagging his pants - violence, while being racialy motivated in the individual, is moreover seated in a deep emotional or psychological tenancy towards violence regardless of surrounding cultures; how much would you want to wager that this guy only ever got into physical altercations and conversational differences of opinions with non white persons? I bet he'd been a bad apple since sometime in high school . . .
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21836585 - 06/21/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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His racist ideologies contributed to his act, but there's many more factors to consider. Do you think even a slight percentage of racists go on shooting tirades like this? It is an anomaly without checkmarking other risk factors. Now put the right combination of things together, which many only the problem person will know, then you have reason for concern.
In this kid's case he had been known to say things like he wanted to shoot up a University and kill people (of any color) at random, and then it went onto becoming threats against black people the more he said it. If I were his father and had overheard this, which I'm not sure if he had heard it or not, I would have been too concerned to buy him that gun.
So there's more to racism than just the ideology. I've met a lot of racists of all types from all over the globe, and the common theme with most is just simply staying away from the religious or racial ethnic group/groups they don't like. Most seem to just trash talk them behind their back.
Racism has and still is an issue, but in more recent American history (ie. 1990s to now) I can think of more children being molested by priests using their religious ideologies as a way to gain authority over people than racist shooting tirades. There's been more mass shootings by loner kids who were picked on or were rejected by girls.
People already condemn racists besides racists. It's like the worst thing you could be in America even though there's more active serial killers on the loose than murderous racists. Consider that since racism is learned, it can be taught by friends or family, but it can also be taught through life experience. Someone who has a bad experience is likely not to forget it and then pass it down.
Doesn't make them right, but guilt by association is a real thing in human psychology, and there's always going to be someone somewhere who is going to take that a little too far. This time it was a kid in South Carolina.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21836632 - 06/21/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is this? What is going on here? You're trying to say that racism doesn't deserve the bad rap it gets, or that it is merely incidental? I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable, but it is relevant to this thread unlike many of the things you are bringing up.
There is a manifesto now on some hate website, like 200 pages or something I think. I'm trying to track it down.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21836638 - 06/21/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Racism is not freedom of speech, it is an ideology that people believe in. I am anti-Christianity too, but you wouldn't say I'm against free speech for that would you?
racism is free speech, it's the speech that needs the protection of the first amendment just as journalists feel they need protection from censorship
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Another idiotic attempt at justifying racism. Mr. Storm Roof must have just been exercising his free speech as an American. 
you do understand that once words cross a line into action that causes harm to other that the speech is still just speech while the actions are certainly something that can be condemned
maybe you free speech haters could learn a few things by not trying to stifle free speech for everyone but yourselves
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21836667 - 06/21/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But being anti-racist doesn't mean I'm against free speech. I am taking issue with racism not free speech. When did I advocate for censorship?
Racism is useless, and people who rely on it to judge others are weak-minded. I stand by that. If anything I wish racists would just come out and say what they really think, rather than dancing around the issues like pussies because they are afraid of what people will think of them if they are totally honest about their beliefs.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21836673 - 06/21/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: What is this? What is going on here? You're trying to say that racism doesn't deserve the bad rap it gets, or that it is merely incidental? I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable, but it is relevant to this thread unlike many of the things you are bringing up.
There is a manifesto now on some hate website, like 200 pages or something I think. I'm trying to track it down.
I brought up the priests because you said you're anti-Christianity but are OK with their beliefs. Religion has been a motivator for sexual misconduct in America. Even the most tolerant Amish have been accused of it. So why not condemn freedom of thought for religious people too? Our most common religions are deeply rooted in sexism, among other things, and promote sexist ideologies. Are you suggesting you don't like sexism or racism, but being against racism is more important than being against sexism?
And yes, I guess you could say I am suggesting race-motivated acts of violence are more incidental than anything. When a guy gets shot typically people will assume it's drug or gang related, and when a woman gets shot people will say to talk to the husband first. Why? Because it's magnitudes more common.
Yet, most people condemn drugs, gangs, domestic violence, and look at the proportion it occurs. So perhaps we should look at more solutions than just condemnation of ideologies we don't like.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21836694 - 06/21/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What people assumed happened seems to be precisely what has happened. Lets remember this is not the first time this church has been targeted by white supremacists. If you think that is just part of daily life people should learn to tolerate there is something seriously wrong with you.
You could apply the same exact logic to any ideology is the problem with what you're saying, following that logic will lead you to believe very stupid things. That's about all I have to say on the matter because tho I try I have a hard time seeing how some of this is relevant. I could bash religion, but religion isn't to blame here except that racism and religion often go hand and hand. This seems to be more secular racism, but I could be wrong.
Let me know if someone can post a link to the txt of the manifesto. Hopefully a mirror so I don't have to have the KKK in my internet history.
edit It's from a website called "Last Rhodesian" (apparently his website) but that appears to be down now. Probably couldn't handle the surge I am guessing.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21836700 - 06/21/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: If anything I wish racists would just come out and say what they really think
I already did. I do not advocate destruction of life, not black, white, hispanic or asain - neither plant nor animal. I do not consider myself racist, but living in oakland california I am not in a ciultural zone that is comfortable, I do not like rap music (references to street drugs, prostitution or advocation of murder - though I like the beats and lyrical flow), pants sagging (its a prison thing you know, it meant 'my ass is available for your pleasure') I wish to live amongst people like me, I appreaciate my my non white peoples cultural diffrences, but they are not my own, I abhor MY cultural heritage where percentages of my ancestors enslaved and oppressed persons of color, but I am better than them, I am evolved; but I am also aware. I choose to live in communities where I am comfortable, I do not hate non whites.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21836718 - 06/21/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Racism is not freedom of speech, it is an ideology that people believe in. I am anti-Christianity too, but you wouldn't say I'm against free speech for that would you?
Another idiotic attempt at justifying racism. Mr. Storm Roof must have just been exercising his free speech as an American. 
An ideology is a thought, and to me freedom of thought is more important than freedom of speech.
It was violence that killed these 9 people. Not racism.
The violence was clearly fueled by racism. maybe you havent seen the pictures of his white supremacist/kkk affiliations posing with the numbers 14/88, wearing the apartheid era flags, etc..








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