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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824832 - 06/18/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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As I'm unconcerned with someones race, I have no metric. I typically use the term 'ethnicity" but as your a race obsessed guy, I figured I'd use your word.

Lecture away, you're a laugh riot.


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Racists care what race someone is.




Well, seeing as the one with the concerns over race is you...




This is stupid word play.  I think we all should be concerned about racism, because it results in acts like this.

The reason I don't care about race isn't because I don't care what race someone is, it is because I don't believe that race is a valid classification for humans.  Alot of people here don't seem to acknowledge this distinction between racists and non-racists.

When it comes to racism in America, especially in a state like South Carolina, the racist ideologies are well understood, so it sadly it is not a huge surprise when a white person walks into a black church, spouts some BS racial hatred, and kills a bunch of people, even if it is shocking.

What happened is a racist white supremacist killed a bunch of people he perceived as a different race.  That is why it is a racial issue, and I don't see why we should be hesitant to talk about that.  It seems like everyone enjoys it when it is racial hatred under the guise of jokes and satire, but when it comes time to actually confront what racism leads to suddenly it is a taboo topic?


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824840 - 06/18/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wonder if the room-mate told anyone.


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Dylann Roof's roommate says the suspect was planning something big leading up to the alleged shooting at a South Carolina church Wednesday that left nine people dead.

Dalton Tyler told ABC News that he'd known Roof for at least seven months, and that the 21-year-old was "planning something like that for six months."Dylann Roof's roommate says the suspect was planning something big leading up to the alleged shooting at a South Carolina church Wednesday that left nine people dead.

Dalton Tyler told ABC News that he'd known Roof for at least seven months, and that the 21-year-old was "planning something like that for six months."





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/18/dylann-roof-was-planning-attack_n_7616638.html


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21824844 - 06/18/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I thought you were done beclowning yourself.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824854 - 06/18/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug: No I can probably go all night like this.  Standing up to racism is important to me, because I believe in essential human equality.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21824859 - 06/18/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All your standing up for appears to be your ego.

Good for you.

Resume your beclowning.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824900 - 06/18/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am only human, but at least I'm not a hypocrite in denial.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21825555 - 06/18/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:shrug: No I can probably go all night like this.  Standing up to racism is important to me, because I believe in essential human equality.




"Standing up to racism is important to me"

Race doesn't exist and is nothing more than a human construct, how can you stand up to racism if race doesn't exist?  All you're doing is reinforcing the very concept you're trying to dismiss, talk about hypocrisy.

"I believe in essential human equality"

No you don't, you think you're superior to most other people because your ideas and beliefs are not based on prejudice, but nothing can be any further from the truth, you have a major case of self-righteousness. Sorry if you find that harsh, but that's how you come off.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: qman]
    #21825619 - 06/18/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've explained this several times.  Race does exist as the product of an ideology that some people profess openly, and I firmly believe many more are clearly influenced by even though they are highly averse to being labelled as a racist. 

I don't see how someone could call me a racist because I say that the racial groups set forth by racism are all invalid.  The valid types of racism are not called racism, and nobody but racists have use for racial categories.

When it comes to describing someone, I know in general what someone means when they say someone is black, but if they say this blackness implies a race I want to know where they think this race starts and ends, and if they can't say, why they think it is valid despite scientific evidence to the contrary.

If you're truly not a racist you could come out and say, "yeah I agree race is a totally bullshit way to categorize someone" but you've already said plenty of racist things so I doubt you will do that.  What you say is something along the lines of "I believe all races should be treated equally" which is a racist statement weather you like it or not.


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    #21826679 - 06/19/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #21826708 - 06/19/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone have an idea when the race-baiters are going to move in with the thugs and burn the place down in the name of justice, then blame the police who try to stop it? :popcorn:


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #21826732 - 06/19/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

im going to chime in about guns. race is a pointless issue because simply put racists are very ignorant.

the whole guns cause more violence is BS.

the UK has more violence per capita than the US.

UK has no guns but those crazy bastards love cutting people up.

guns can cause more fatalities than knives, clubs, etc. but people are obviously less likely to fuck with people in America because of the fact you never know who has a gun.

IMO id rather be shot with a fast bullet then stabbed, cut, and/or beaten with clubs.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #21826746 - 06/19/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A childhood friend with whom Roof had recently become reacquainted said Roof started railing about the Trayvon Martin case in recent weeks, complaining about black people "taking over the world" and about the need for someone to do something about it for the sake of "the white race."


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Oh god what a fucking dipshit  :rolleyes:  He was attempting to start another civil war apparently. 

I wonder why when something like this happens, people's facebook page usually disappears.  Does facebook do that?  Wish I woulda looked sooner, but I'm sure someone screencapped it.  How else are we going to find out if he loved comedy movies?

also:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/06/weird-half-of-dylann-storm-roofs-facebook-friends-are-african-americans/



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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21826750 - 06/19/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yes facebook pulls their page immediately to avoid making things worse.

the fbi or police still would have access to it for an investigation into what happened.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21826825 - 06/19/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I am only human, but at least I'm not a hypocrite in denial.




Yet you come across as one. Huh.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21826892 - 06/19/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for that :thumbup: it appears we are at a crossroads then.  I think that racism and race are inexorably linked, and you think I am a racist for thinking that.  We'll just let it stand there unless you have anything else to say.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21827140 - 06/19/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, you got it wrong again

I said you come across as a hypocrite.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21827215 - 06/19/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whatwhatwhat: for what?


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21827237 - 06/19/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Actually, you got it wrong again

I said you come across as a hypocrite.




"No you!"
"What?"
"You!"
"No, YOU!"

Loveley debate we're having here, mates!


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21827252 - 06/19/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I am only human, but at least I'm not a hypocrite in denial.




You literally are a hypocritical human in denial. That you can't see this after its been pointed out many times in this thread, means you are in denial.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21827262 - 06/19/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No this has actually just been pointed out to me after I called lds a hypocrite, please indulge me how I am a hypocrite.

It's because you think I'm a racist, and I'm calling lds a racist, right?  That's what I said, and now that we've both said it to each-other there's nothing more to be said.

Unless it's something else.  If it is please tell me in plain language how I am a hypocrite.


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