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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: psi] * 1
    #21830955 - 06/20/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Kid whole plan was to start a race war and divide people. Seems to have worked on social media.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
    #21830959 - 06/20/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone can be racist.  Both of those images are basically propaganda, so you've got to take it at face value.  Almost all high-profile criminals have a perp-walk just like that for the media if they are caught alive regardless of race.  It isn't realistic to compare it to an arrest on the street, even if abuse of authority does happen.  I don't think they did it for Dzokhar Tsarnaev, but he was hospitalized with pretty serious injuries I think so that's kinda different.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21830975 - 06/20/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So you are saying there are not populations where around 10% are considered or identify as black, and do not suffer from racism?  It's funny, some people argue that racism is not a problem anymore, some people say that whites are the primary or sole victims of racism in today's world, and now I've got people telling me that racism is just the way it has to be.

None of these are good ideas.  The good idea is to abandon and condemn all racism to history where it belongs.




Every black person who lives around white people has/does experience racism



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I actually read what you said several times, and gave you the chance to clarify yourself, but you continue to rely on questioning my judgement to validate your statements.

You're wrong that minorities tend to segregate themselves.  Do people with blue eyes segregate themselves?  Do people segregate by blood type?  Do they seperate by who has dimples or a big toe that is shorter than the toe next to it?

These are all inherited genetic traits, like skin color and the other things people point to as indicators of race.  Why aren't they segregated?




people tend to stick to their own race. its natural to gravitate to people who look like you


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
    #21830995 - 06/20/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Do black people share customs that only black people partake in?




Well I'm pretty sure white people don't celebrate Kwanzaa.

And from what I've heard, they aren't that fond of white rappers.




You know who else doesn't celebrate Kwanza?  Most black people. 

You've heard black people aren't fond of white rappers?  You're assuming someone has an opinion on white rappers because they're black?

Seriously I can't see how anyone could stand by this.  It's ridiculous.  I've heard that people in rural areas like having sex with their family, but that doesn't make hillbillies a race.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21831020 - 06/20/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
    #21831047 - 06/20/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Keep taking the easy road softhead.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21831058 - 06/20/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What's that mean? I gave an easy to understand explanation why there is segregation in America, and I'm somehow taking an easy road even though I never even expressed my opinion on the matter. You do realize I've spent a majority of my adult life being the token white guy in my community, right? I don't even speak my native language in my own home...


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T] * 1
    #21831084 - 06/20/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There isn't segregation in America.  There are some people who want segregation to come back.  One of them just made the news, and you want to just come in and say that segregation is actually the natural order of things.  I see now.

That isn't their "natural tendency" to group together with people they perceive as their own race, it is the result of this being a country where segregation by the color of a persons skin did happen by law.  Otherwise communities are mixed and by and large do not have problems like this.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21831193 - 06/20/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I was just saying to myself there hadn't been a mass shooting lately.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Citizen X]
    #21831197 - 06/20/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This is all your fault. :shakefist:


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T] * 2
    #21831217 - 06/20/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not really. The point remains the same regardless of motivation. They both went down without incident. Eric Garner didn't because he resisted. Not hard to figure out.





You people see "resisting" in every video though. It's always the hero cop and the bad black guy who didn't obey. Even when they shoot a guy in the back and plant evidence and it's all on tape, you guys slow that shit down to find a frame where his hands are hidden and pronounce it just. Even when it's guy having a stroke the cops are pepper spraying, he deserved it because he didn't obey.
But you arent racist or anything.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21831785 - 06/20/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not really. The point remains the same regardless of motivation. They both went down without incident. Eric Garner didn't because he resisted. Not hard to figure out.





You people see "resisting" in every video though. It's always the hero cop and the bad black guy who didn't obey. Even when they shoot a guy in the back and plant evidence and it's all on tape, you guys slow that shit down to find a frame where his hands are hidden and pronounce it just. Even when it's guy having a stroke the cops are pepper spraying, he deserved it because he didn't obey.
But you arent racist or anything.



Are you saying only black people are capable of resisting?

This is old shit, also irrelevant to anything in this thread, so my memory might be off, but I'm pretty sure he jerked away in the video and got taken down. If he put his hands behind his back like a civilized person he would have went home.

I recall changing my opinion in that case - initially I thought the cops were guilty of wrongdoing, but my opinion changed when I learned more about New York law.

Like I've been saying though, the family could probably win a civil suit.

I've said before that cop shouldn't have shot Freddie Gray and murder charges were appropriately filed. So, nice assumptions there buddy. What I wonder, though, is if he will be convicted. Under South Carolina law cops can shoot a fleeing suspect in the back if they reasonably believe he presents a danger to the community. It will be up to a jury to decide that.

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There isn't segregation in America.  There are some people who want segregation to come back.  One of them just made the news, and you want to just come in and say that segregation is actually the natural order of things.  I see now.

That isn't their "natural tendency" to group together with people they perceive as their own race, it is the result of this being a country where segregation by the color of a persons skin did happen by law.  Otherwise communities are mixed and by and large do not have problems like this.



There is forced segregation and there is choice segregation. Quit confusing the two.

If you did my little experiment I told you to do, you would see a theme: minority families factor in the ethnic demographics when choosing where to live. They strongly prefer to live somewhere with their ethnicity. If they can't do that because of too little population then they will want to live somewhere 'diverse'.

No, it isn't all because of forced segregation. That may play a role why some neighborhoods have the demographics they do, but definitely not all or probably even close to the majority. Just within the last 10 years Vietnamese neighborhoods are popping up in New Orleans, Arab neighborhoods all over Michigan, Mexican neighborhoods in central Florida..

You're absolutely in denial if you think segregation laws from 50 years ago are the sole culprit. You even had a guy who is black, or at least pretends to be black, tell you in this thread that black people prefer to live around other blacks..

It isn't even always because of racism. Sometimes ethnic communities have festivals and traditions that came from their homeland, or food, or.. just about anything.. and to somebody who wants to be reminded of their homeland, it's a plus.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21831828 - 06/20/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think its part of an ongoing war against the freedom of us americans.
Prez himself said something to the effect of "we're the only first world country that still has guns, and we have the highest gun related violence" They talk about how easy it is to pay off an arabic person to suicide bomb, tell him his family will be taken care of, money, security, education etcetera, scarcity is a prime driving factor for this here in america too, "take a gun and kill some black people, how about a church, that'll maximize the emotional impact, black disenfranchisement is en vogue right now, take to fall in this mission and your children and immediate family will never have to worry about money again, your country needs you!!!"
If thats not the case, how can white people or north american arian brotherhood be even partially at fault for this? This is anti white propaganda, no different than when a black person robs a white house, assaults a white person or rapes a white person - we're not supposed to blame the actions of one black person on the black race, then why is is ok to say "this person has ties to neo nazis" why doesn't an african offender not have ties to militant muslims or the black panthers?
This is just more bullshit, the patriot act isn't the end of this depraved war against humanity, the rabbit hole will go deeper, we've not yet hit bottom by a long shot - we're fucked!!!

Oh and further more, people are going apeshit over the confederate flag in S.C. - I don't see anybody loosing their shit over the mexican flag or any other flag that has been even loosely associated with wrongdoing against human beings - how come all these latinos come to america the free, then fly mexican flags with pride, didn't they come here to escape a evil government? the drug cartel operating with near cart blanch under the snake eating eagle? If you love america so much and came here for its abundant opportunity, why fly a foreign flag?
The confederate flag does not represent slavery or racism or whatever these weirdo sudo human rights libitards are saying, its not that black and white - so to speak.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
    #21831885 - 06/20/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lolsy: nothanks do your own research.

I don't really want to talk about you vague racial theories of why people settle where they do.  What does this have to do with the recent shooting?


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21831893 - 06/20/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I did my research. My conclusion turned out to match my hypothesis, by the way.

Doesn't have much to do with this shooting at all, but you decided to drag out a simple statement 3 pages, so whatever..


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
    #21831927 - 06/20/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:seriousthumbsup: You clearly have a profound understanding of the scientific method.  I just can't argue with that data.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21831942 - 06/20/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know. You can't argue with facts you don't like. Yet, for three pages you tried.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
    #21831979 - 06/20/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yep.  I honestly give people the benefit of the doubt that when they say an obvious generalization and call it a fact they are engaging in hyperbole, or not fully thinking trough what they say, which is understandable to me.

When you say it is a fact that all minorities seek out other members of that group to live near, in the absolute vaguest of terms, then proceed to call this a hypothesis, and test it by running one websearch on one poorly definied minority group on a city-data website, without looking into how they compile their own data, yeah I'm just speechless honestly.  You are beyond my abilities.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21832019 - 06/20/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

city-data.com is a forum where people looking into relocating go to get information on where they're moving. You could replace the words "AA family" with any minority if you want. You'll get the same result. It's about as scientific as a phone survey, and you'd be citing one of those as a source if it said what you wanted it to.

However I didn't say all minorities do it. I said they tend to. A minority member of this forum agreed.

And this phenomena is ALL ACROSS THE GLOBE and always has been since the start of human history. I've lived on 4 continents in 7 countries, heck I've been to literally over half of the countries that exist. America is the least segregated country there is and we still are pretty segregated. A lot of it these days is without a doubt by choice.

Sorry you don't like reality.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
    #21832036 - 06/20/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Tell me, what is a minority exactly?  A minority group of humans?  How many different ones are there in this system we are studying?


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