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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21830617 - 06/19/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: So these people could have been avoided being killed how? By moving out of South Carolina? Really?
It might have been avoided if his dad didn't buy him the gun, but I don't know. Even then it probably would have happened.
How am I supposed to know what could have avoided it? All I did was explain why minorities tend to segregate themselves. I never claimed to have a solution.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: my3rdeye] 3
#21830619 - 06/19/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21830622 - 06/19/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah they should have roughed him up at least. Smarmy little shit.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21830661 - 06/19/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: So these people could have been avoided being killed how? By moving out of South Carolina? Really?
It might have been avoided if his dad didn't buy him the gun, but I don't know. Even then it probably would have happened.
How am I supposed to know what could have avoided it? All I did was explain why minorities tend to segregate themselves. I never claimed to have a solution.
You implied that keeping minorities separate is easier, and you seem very hesitant to acknowledge racism, and point to that as the motivation for these acts. The gun is to blame? According to him because they were black, they were contributing to white women being raped, or some such nonsense. That is an example of racial prejudice, but not all racism is so overt, and it is likely that an atmosphere of tolerating racism allowed this to happen.
Pointing out that it is likely that the people who you label a certain group will meet the standards of that label is pointless, and if you're trying to say that these percieved races don't mix you're obviously in denial. The things that people say about "blacks", "Mexicans", "Negroes", "whites", etc are vague and simple generalizations, nothing more. They're hardly even very accurate, as people love to look at a small group and assume that it must speak truths about their larger "race" whether there is evidence of that or not.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21830676 - 06/19/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: So these people could have been avoided being killed how? By moving out of South Carolina? Really?
It might have been avoided if his dad didn't buy him the gun, but I don't know. Even then it probably would have happened.
How am I supposed to know what could have avoided it? All I did was explain why minorities tend to segregate themselves. I never claimed to have a solution.
You implied that keeping minorities separate is easier, and you seem very hesitant to acknowledge racism, and point to that as the motivation for these acts. The gun is to blame? According to him because they were black, they were contributing to white women being raped, or some such nonsense. That is an example of racial prejudice, but not all racism is so overt, and it is likely that an atmosphere of tolerating racism allowed this to happen.
Pointing out that it is likely that the people who you label a certain group will meet the standards of that label is pointless, and if you're trying to say that these percieved races don't mix you're obviously in denial. The things that people say about "blacks", "Mexicans", "Negroes", "whites", etc are vague and simple generalizations, nothing more. They're hardly even very accurate, as people love to look at a small group and assume that it must speak truths about their larger "race" whether there is evidence of that or not.
Where did I imply ANY of that?? Dude, you're fucking hallucinating again.. I can't even take you serious. I never said it wasn't a racist act or blamed the gun, and I never implied any of that.
The rest of your rant I'm not even going to bother to read since you don't read what I say.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21830700 - 06/19/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I actually read what you said several times, and gave you the chance to clarify yourself, but you continue to rely on questioning my judgement to validate your statements.
You're wrong that minorities tend to segregate themselves. Do people with blue eyes segregate themselves? Do people segregate by blood type? Do they seperate by who has dimples or a big toe that is shorter than the toe next to it?
These are all inherited genetic traits, like skin color and the other things people point to as indicators of race. Why aren't they segregated?
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21830733 - 06/20/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: I actually read what you said several times, and gave you the chance to clarify yourself, but you continue to rely on questioning my judgement to validate your statements.
You're wrong that minorities tend to segregate themselves. Do people with blue eyes segregate themselves? Do people segregate by blood type? Do they seperate by who has dimples or a big toe that is shorter than the toe next to it?
These are all inherited genetic traits, like skin color and the other things people point to as indicators of race. Why aren't they segregated?
Clearly you didn't. At least twice you read things that I didn't say, and I don't appreciate it.
Do blue eyed people share customs that only blue eyed people partake in or what? Because if there is a custom us blue eyed folk share, I sure don't know what it is. Not even close to sure how that's a comparison.
Obviously you haven't traveled much and have a limited view of even just the United States, let alone the world, if you think minorities feel comfortable being the minority.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21830779 - 06/20/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What are the customs that are exclusive to what race?
After the fall of the Nazis, Apologists in apartheid South Africa was actually using similar racist ideologies, where they would point to cultural differences over discrete biological groups. It's equally nonsense.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T] 2
#21830801 - 06/20/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The DC snipers were NOT race motivated. The older one hatched the plan to kill his ex wife, but since he would have been considered the prime suspect, he was going to make her just another "random" sniper victim. The victims were a mix of races.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
#21830811 - 06/20/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But it makes for a more reactionary meme if you lie about his motivations
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21830829 - 06/20/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not really. The point remains the same regardless of motivation. They both went down without incident. Eric Garner didn't because he resisted. Not hard to figure out.
Also moonrockmushy I'm not even going to acknowledge that facepalm of a post. You don't even know why you're arguing with me or what about.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#21830866 - 06/20/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: But it makes for a more reactionary meme if you lie about his motivations
I think it's probably more insidious than that... the assumption it was motivated by race because race is the context in which some people think about black people.
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#21830877 - 06/20/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Malvo was asleep when the police found him. That probably helped.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
#21830889 - 06/20/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's probably more insidious than that... the assumption it was motivated by race because race is the context in which some people think about black people.
Good point, actually. Merely existing could be described as "racially motivated" if you are defined primarily by your race.
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#21830903 - 06/20/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's probably more insidious than that... the assumption it was motivated by race because race is the context in which some people think about black people.
It might also have been because Malvo told investigators they planned on killing six random white people a day 'to terrorize the nation.'
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21830905 - 06/20/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok. I think it was a pretty simple question. Let me rephrase.
Do black people share customs that only black people partake in?
You understand the question. As to blue eyed people, the answer is no. There is nothing about a blue eyed person that implies race other than they are put in the same category as other people with blue eyes.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
#21830914 - 06/20/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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At Muhammad's trial, the prosecutor claimed that the rampage was part of a plot to kill his ex-wife and regain custody of his children, but the judge ruled that there was insufficient evidence to support this argument.
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After his arrest, authorities also claimed that Muhammad admitted that he admired and modeled himself after Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, and approved of the September 11 attacks. One of Malvo's psychiatric witnesses testified in his trial that Muhammad had indoctrinated him into believing that the proceeds of the extortion attempt would be used to begin a new nation of only young, "pure" black people somewhere in Canada.
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Testimony of Lee Boyd Malvo
In John Allen Muhammad's May 2006 trial in Montgomery County, Maryland, Lee Boyd Malvo, who is serving a sentence of life without parole for his role in the shootings, took the stand and confessed to a more detailed version of the pair's plans. Malvo, after extensive psychological counseling, admitted that he was lying at the earlier Virginia trial where he had admitted to being the triggerman for every shooting. Malvo claimed that he had said this in order to protect John Allen Muhammad from the potential death penalty, because it was more difficult to achieve the death penalty for a minor. Malvo said that he wanted to do what little he could for the families of the victims by letting the full story be told. In his two days of testimony, Malvo outlined many very detailed aspects of all the shootings.
Part of his testimony concerned Muhammad's complete multiphase plan. His plan consisted of three phases in the Washington, D.C. and Baltimore metro areas. Phase One consisted of meticulously planning, mapping, and practicing their locations around the DC area. This way after each shooting they would be able to quickly leave the area on a predetermined path, and move on to the next location. John Allen Muhammad's goal in Phase One was to kill 6 white people a day for 30 days (180 per month). Malvo went on to describe how Phase One did not go as planned due to heavy traffic and the lack of a clear shot and/or getaway at different locations.
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Seems like from Malvo's perspective, race was closely linked to the reason for the killings. He said that the initial plan was to kill 6 white people a day, and that the ransom they were expecting to collect was supposedly going to be used to start a colony of "pure" black people in Canada.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: D.M.T]
#21830931 - 06/20/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: But it makes for a more reactionary meme if you lie about his motivations
I think it's probably more insidious than that... the assumption it was motivated by race because race is the context in which some people think about black people.
It might also have been because Malvo told investigators they planned on killing six random white people a day 'to terrorize the nation.'
Unless, as shroomslip proposed that black people killing black people is racially motivated, the racial theory of that crime spree falls apart with this image:
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21830934 - 06/20/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Do black people share customs that only black people partake in?
Well I'm pretty sure white people don't celebrate Kwanzaa.
And from what I've heard, they aren't that fond of white rappers.
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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
#21830949 - 06/20/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: But it makes for a more reactionary meme if you lie about his motivations
I think it's probably more insidious than that... the assumption it was motivated by race because race is the context in which some people think about black people.
It might also have been because Malvo told investigators they planned on killing six random white people a day 'to terrorize the nation.'
Unless, as shroomslip proposed that black people killing black people is racially motivated, the racial theory of that crime spree falls apart with this image:

They were shooting from a distance, right? They could have thought they were white, or simply shot the wrong person. Malvo could have made it all up. Either way it's what he said. Why are you putting so much into the racially motivated part when it isn't even why I posted the meme?
People other than the intended target get shot all the time. I've been saying for years gangbangers need more time at the range.
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