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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21823750 - 06/18/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What is really messed up is the thought process behind these lunatics that kill just to kill. As far as I know....I don't think there has been any black serial killers....or maybe just a couple...they tend to kill each other for reasons like I said...and not just senseless anonymous killings.



Black serial killers aren't unusual. 1 in 5 serial killers in the US have been black.


Plus murders are almost never anonymous from any demographic group, and they're pretty much always senseless.


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Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: CaptainKurt]
    #21823769 - 06/18/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I mean we can talk blue states, red states, purple stuff, orange juice, anything really.

Still doesn't change the fact that more guns = more homicide




It doesn't change the fact that many of the people that live in those inner cities aren't still going to be violent criminals.

How do you want the innocent citizens to protect themselves from the violent criminals?  Baseball bats.  :lol:

The US isn't Canada, we have whole cultures of people that embrace the violent thug lifestyle, it's more than just the homicides that you're so obsessed with, it's physical assaults, rapes, robberies, ect. 

You something think less gun related homicides = a safer environment, it doesn't.




Canada actually does face issues with gang/thug violence, just that the impoverished racial communities dealing with them differ based on racial demographics across the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_Canada

From westcoast to eastcoast, the breakdown is basically
BC - Asian gangs have highest population
Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba - First Nations gangs mostly dominate in numbers
Ontario/Québec/Nova Scotia - apparently Afro-Caribbean gangs dominate in numbers

Basically though, similar issues pop up in Canada -- groups who were historically discriminated against now frequently face poverty and fall into gang violence in the modern era.

Am not one to say that Canada has less overall violence due to less guns though -- we have less population spread out over a larger area and less international scrutiny to our news.  The situation in our country does not run as high tension in general.

Gun control sure has not taken the guns from gangs though they have become significantly more difficult to obtain for law-abiding citizens.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: qman]
    #21823867 - 06/18/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I mean we can talk blue states, red states, purple stuff, orange juice, anything really.

Still doesn't change the fact that more guns = more homicide




It doesn't change the fact that many of the people that live in those inner cities aren't still going to be violent criminals.

How do you want the innocent citizens to protect themselves from the violent criminals?  Baseball bats.  :lol:

The US isn't Canada, we have whole cultures of people that embrace the violent thug lifestyle, it's more than just the homicides that you're so obsessed with, it's physical assaults, rapes, robberies, ect. 

You somehow think less gun related homicides = a safer environment, it doesn't.




Well  I think you are just ignorant about Canada. Toronto's gang culture rivals that of any American city. Montreal isn't much better. The difference in the homicide rate has to do with guns, not the thug culture that exists in both countries.

Canada's population is also more concentrated in urban areas than the US, yet the homicide rates are lower. :shrug:


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
    #21823912 - 06/18/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
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qman said:
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Patlal said:
I mean we can talk blue states, red states, purple stuff, orange juice, anything really.

Still doesn't change the fact that more guns = more homicide




It doesn't change the fact that many of the people that live in those inner cities aren't still going to be violent criminals.

How do you want the innocent citizens to protect themselves from the violent criminals?  Baseball bats.  :lol:

The US isn't Canada, we have whole cultures of people that embrace the violent thug lifestyle, it's more than just the homicides that you're so obsessed with, it's physical assaults, rapes, robberies, ect. 

You somehow think less gun related homicides = a safer environment, it doesn't.




Well  I think you are just ignorant about Canada. Toronto's gang culture rivals that of any American city. Montreal isn't much better. The difference in the homicide rate has to do with guns, not the thug culture that exists in both countries.

Canada's population is also more concentrated in urban areas than the US, yet the homicide rates are lower. :shrug:




Are you seriously going to compared the gang and criminal cultures in the US to Canada? 

To be perfectly honest, most people including myself really don't give a fuck when a member of one criminal gang shoots and kills a member of a different criminal gang, why do you?


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: qman]
    #21823929 - 06/18/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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koods said:
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qman said:
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Patlal said:
I mean we can talk blue states, red states, purple stuff, orange juice, anything really.

Still doesn't change the fact that more guns = more homicide




It doesn't change the fact that many of the people that live in those inner cities aren't still going to be violent criminals.

How do you want the innocent citizens to protect themselves from the violent criminals?  Baseball bats.  :lol:

The US isn't Canada, we have whole cultures of people that embrace the violent thug lifestyle, it's more than just the homicides that you're so obsessed with, it's physical assaults, rapes, robberies, ect. 

You somehow think less gun related homicides = a safer environment, it doesn't.




Well  I think you are just ignorant about Canada. Toronto's gang culture rivals that of any American city. Montreal isn't much better. The difference in the homicide rate has to do with guns, not the thug culture that exists in both countries.

Canada's population is also more concentrated in urban areas than the US, yet the homicide rates are lower. :shrug:




Are you seriously going to compared the gang and criminal cultures in the US to Canada? 

To be perfectly honest, most people including myself really don't give a fuck when a member of one criminal gang shoots and kills a member of a different criminal gang, why do you?




I don't care either.

Then again, lately, the thugs managed to bring a few pee shooter across the border and are amusing themselves by shooting each other in the legs. Last year we had a new case of a guy getting shot in the leg every other week


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Patlal]
    #21824048 - 06/18/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21824060 - 06/18/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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14 #CharlestonShooting Tweets Show How the Media Covers White Terrorism




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@FrankConniff
So far, the #CharlestonShooting seems to just be one of those rare isolated incidents that happen all the time.  4:15 AM - 18 Jun 2015



nailed it.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: koods]
    #21824084 - 06/18/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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@WajahatAli
Glad that white men aren't asked to apologize for #CharlestonShooting & engage in a condemn-a-thon. If only that was a universal standard.




This one is good too


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21824143 - 06/18/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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DurgaDurg said:
African American church? Why does that exist?




As a counterpoint to this:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/kkk-white-supremacists-among-19-south-carolina-hate-groups-splc-n377516

Which is worse?


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21824176 - 06/18/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
Glad that white men aren't asked to apologize for #CharlestonShooting & engage in a condemn-a-thon. If only that was a universal standard.




Probably because the condemnation started moments after the shooter was identified as white. No-one had to ask for it.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824206 - 06/18/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

At what point would you condemn these actions as a horribly inhuman act motivated by racial prejudice?  The time for skepticism is passed, unless you're going the conspiracy route which there is another subforum for that.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824207 - 06/18/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just wanna chime in about the gun talk here.

I am from Canada and have never met a person that owned a gun and have honestly never really seen a gun in person besides like on a police officer I guess. I don't even know where you would get a gun and they are certainly rare as fuck to find on the streets.

I find it weird to think in America most households have a gun.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21824246 - 06/18/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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At what point would you condemn these actions as a horribly inhuman act motivated by racial prejudice?  The time for skepticism is passed, unless you're going the conspiracy route which there is another subforum for that.




The moment I saw the headlines stating some asshole had killed 9 people.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824256 - 06/18/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I mean seriously...

White suspect arrested in killing of nine at black U.S. church

That didn't leave room for interpretation.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21824265 - 06/18/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That sucks. Guns are as common as TV's here. I'm sure if you had criminal connections you would be able to find a gun. Toronto from what I've seen has gangs and even a mob faction. I don't think guns are the problem. This could have easily been a bombing like previous black hate crimes. I'm pretty sure it's still kind of suspicious to go buy a pressure cooker for shrooms but doesn't mean everyone buying them wants to take off a group of peoples limbs.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21824267 - 06/18/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Just wanna chime in about the gun talk here.

I am from Canada and have never met a person that owned a gun and have honestly never really seen a gun in person besides like on a police officer I guess. I don't even know where you would get a gun and they are certainly rare as fuck to find on the streets.

I find it weird to think in America most households have a gun.




In Alberta as a law-abiding citizen you would likely want to check out Cabela's:

http://www.cabelas.ca/category/semi-automatic/1104

Canada has specific restrictions and licensing you would need to apply and qualify first though:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm

In terms of black market firearms, could not help you out in terms of where to find them, but you would not have the licensing aspect as a concern.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824328 - 06/18/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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At what point would you condemn these actions as a horribly inhuman act motivated by racial prejudice?  The time for skepticism is passed, unless you're going the conspiracy route which there is another subforum for that.




The moment I saw the headlines stating some asshole had killed 9 people.





Well you must have done it offline, because that is not what you said here.  You said "must be one of God's plans" or something like that.  Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else who is trying to pretend that this isn't an obvious racist act.  You either believe that everyone is equal and deserves the same rights and opportunities, or you don't. 

It is true that it is somewhat racist to even label this a "black church", but in the context of America black people's dual identity as blacks and Americans isn't something they chose, it was forced onto them.  It is not a racist organization, it is a church that sprung up and persevered despite brutal racial oppression.

This church has been burned down before.  When something like this happens, I don't see how people can stand by the idea that racism was solved in the 60s or whenever it supposedly was, and now mainly white people suffer from racism.  You would have to be racist to think that, because to write off horrible acts like this you must think that because of the race you perceive them as (not your own) it is less of a problem.  That much is clear.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21824348 - 06/18/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I mean seriously...

White terrorist suspect arrested in killing of nine at black U.S. church

That didn't leave room for interpretation.




^^^ would have been more descriptive


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21824392 - 06/18/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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moonrockmushy said:
At what point would you condemn these actions as a horribly inhuman act motivated by racial prejudice?  The time for skepticism is passed, unless you're going the conspiracy route which there is another subforum for that.




The moment I saw the headlines stating some asshole had killed 9 people.





Well you must have done it offline, because that is not what you said here.  You said "must be one of God's plans" or something like that.




That was a mocking of religion.

You know:
Person 1: He was in a crash, broke both legs, three ribs and has brain damage.
Person 2: It's God's plan.


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Re: ?Re: 9 dead in shooting at historic Charleston African American church [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21824395 - 06/18/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Just wanna chime in about the gun talk here.

I am from Canada and have never met a person that owned a gun and have honestly never really seen a gun in person besides like on a police officer I guess. I don't even know where you would get a gun and they are certainly rare as fuck to find on the streets.

I find it weird to think in America most households have a gun.




Now try to find some ammo


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