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On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion?
    #2180508 - 12/15/03 08:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

When I trip, my favorite thing about the experience is that almost everything I lay my eyes upon is stunningly beautiful in its own way. A person's behavoir, a leaf, a sound, a statement, its all miraculous and just so beautiful . From your experiences, would you say that this is an entheogen revealing the inherent beauty in the world, or the product of my brain on drugs, showing me beauty in things that are actually mundane?


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2180515 - 12/15/03 08:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

what might not be real about it?


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2180535 - 12/15/03 08:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yes .agreed
my mind's eye seem's to be in awe, with the wonder's of the human
experince while under the spell of the shroom.
I also notice the day's that follow I'm atracted to those thing's,like
certian color'sr smell's,or beautiful energies.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2180543 - 12/15/03 08:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's both, really. Think about how much more you apperiate the world when you're happy vs. being sad. A leaf can be an absolutly beautiful thing to a person who sees the patterns in it, and it's shape, but to someone who has to rake them, they're the ugliest thing on the planet.

To me, it's like if I'm able to apperiate life than it isn't an illusion. It's just beauty, pure and simple.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: ]
    #2180558 - 12/15/03 08:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

good question. Its almost feels like a doubt stemming from incredulation. Thoughts like "wait, have I really been living immersed in this wonderland my whole life? Is it really like this?" There's also the comedown, when I get the obligatory (at least for me) thoughts like "ok, back to the grind" it almost feels like sunday night before work. i guess i'm looking for insignt, maybe validation that the beauty i find everywhere while tripping is real and ellusive rather than an illusion, reassurance that, indeed, I should keep on searching. One piece of evidence that reassures me is that, unlike other parts of reality, the beauty I found in nature hasn't dissolved, I haven't forgotten. Whereas I might look at a person I don't particularly like, and fail to see the beauty in them, although on shrooms I would have understood.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2180684 - 12/15/03 09:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's an illusion, but it's like fake breasts.
If you can touch them, they're real.
See what I'm saying?


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2180714 - 12/15/03 09:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

From your experiences, would you say that this is an entheogen revealing the inherent beauty in the world, or the product of my brain on drugs, showing me beauty in things that are actually mundane?

is there such a thing as "inherent beauty"?


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2180879 - 12/15/03 10:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

id say its more of a situation where the shrooms let you see how bea utiful it is because your normal mind is too busy to notice it.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2181052 - 12/15/03 11:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i think hungry is right, also isn't beauty however you perceive somthing. So if you happen to percieve everything beautiful, it truly is to you, it doesn't matter if anyone else thinks so.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Toad_Stool]
    #2181113 - 12/15/03 11:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

good point :thumbup:


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2181352 - 12/16/03 01:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

it's about knowing what you have. that feeling of everything being beautiful. sure it's the drugs, but man the feelings are still there. you slow down a bit to appreciate what is around you is a wonderful thing is it not?


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: kaiowas]
    #2181395 - 12/16/03 01:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Indeed it is kaiowas, I have never tripped, but my appreciation for nature and many things has greatly been heightened since I began to realize how beautiful this world actually is. It's a feeling of pure happiness when I see the trees with the spectacular orange and red leaves swaying in the wind.

I'm looking forward to my first trip sometime this month, I figured this is the best time of year while the trees are turning orange, the weather is just right.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2181460 - 12/16/03 02:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Beauty is subjective, it's not something you can measure. Bascially, if you see it as beautiful, that means it's beautiful.

If you see it as mundane, it's mundane.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Twirling]
    #2181556 - 12/16/03 03:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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but to someone who has to rake them, they're the ugliest thing on the planet.





yeah, so like, you know that bad guy from the Care Bears? Noheart i think. Yeah, he was like "bad is good and good is baaaad" type of thing. So like, you can "appreciate" the beauty, sure, but I think you can also relish in the ugly.

Maybe it's psychotic, but demons must get a kick out of all that they inflict.

So when you are having a bad trip, dig deep, and find that yang that loves the fear.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2182001 - 12/16/03 10:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

there was a reason to me that meant that god obviously exists in some kind of way, and i decided i'd strt going to temple again when i live a more ritualistic lifestyle. i forgot the reason, but i still believe in god. although iguess i still really wonder what made god so obvious ot me. i mean like, totally blatantly obvious.

there are things in life that are facts. they are neither good nor bad. your perception of them makes you happy or sad, angry or mellow. shrooms change your perception (usually) from your sober state of conciousness. well, you can't force a change in your conciousness sober, but you can put yourself in situations, and keep yourself out of other ones, and in general give you every oportunity to let your perceptions flow and change more freely.

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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2182043 - 12/16/03 10:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i think for there to be "fake" beauty, beauty must first be an objective thing. i don't buy that. i think that beauty really is only in the eye of the beholder. if the beholder has been eating mushrooms, it really makes no difference. beauty is beauty.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: ]
    #2182076 - 12/16/03 11:12 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I would consider beauty to be semi-subjective. By that I mean that while different people have different standards of beauty, there are some definite patterns in what people consider beautiful, and therefore a great deal of inter-subjective agreement. In fact, I saw something on the Discovery channel talking about how our perception of beauty is based on pattern recognition. This would explain why things might appear more beautiful on shrooms, since your ability to recognize patterns is enhanced.


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2182661 - 12/16/03 03:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

All there is is what there is. You see a shape on the wall, the rest is up to you to decide what it is. :grin:
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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2184097 - 12/17/03 12:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

IMO I believe shrooms may be a way for God to give us a little taste, a little reminder how incredible this world is to be able to eat a harmless mushroom that grows in the ground and feel the most amazing effects from it.Just really makes me wonder..........


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Re: On shrooms, "its so beautiful!" revelation or illussion? [Re: Noviseer]
    #2184188 - 12/17/03 12:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I remember being on shrooms and 'popping wood' over Klingon chicks on Star Trek... beautiful, just fucking beautiful!


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