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tekramrepus
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Sclorch]
#1487740 - 04/23/03 10:26 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never claimed to have a divine experience, or spiritual experience at all. I said enlightenment, which I have definately achieved from mushrooms. I was off-topic, I apologize
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: tekramrepus]
#1488272 - 04/24/03 01:54 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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if you have acheived enlightenment at your ripe age of 16 (don't be offended, i too am in my youth), i am very interested to what this enlightenment entails to you personally. what does your enlightenment bring to you? Did this enlightenment come through use of mushrooms or other psychedelics?
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: tekramrepus]
#1488981 - 04/24/03 10:30 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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... I said enlightenment, which I have definately achieved from mushrooms.
Oh wise one, how may I follow you? Seriously though, if you remain aware, curious and critical in your thoughts, the path of your life will be one of continued enlightenment. Mushrooms only provide a view from another room on the universe (a very nice room I must admit), how you integrate the experience with your understanding of things is what's critical.
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Evolving]
#1489278 - 04/24/03 12:04 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Evolving: how you integrate the experience with your understanding of things is what's critical.
I just wanted to bold that.
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tekramrepus
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: ninjahedge]
#1489539 - 04/24/03 01:03 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
if you have acheived enlightenment at your ripe age of 16 (don't be offended, i too am in my youth), i am very interested to what this enlightenment entails to you personally. what does your enlightenment bring to you? Did this enlightenment come through use of mushrooms or other psychedelics?
The enlightenment came through the use of psychedelics, and if its not obvious enough, it quickly faded. The enlightened state wore off, as the drug wore off.
I regain that state everytime I eat mushrooms.
I believe enlightenment is our true nature, we just have to find it. The hardest part for me in finding enlightenment that lasts is my ego. My ego continues to get in the way (mushrooms completely disolve this) and create what I call "life drama" ...either wanting things, being bored, getting angry, etc - and attaching myself to those...that is all product of ego.
I am also not the only one to reach an enlightened state from mushrooms, or psychedelics - Ram Dass had glimpses of enlightenment through LSD, and many other people Im sure have attained this state.
Psychedelics are a path, if used correctly - to mind-opening awareness. This however, is temporary, so you can only get glimpses of it.
Psychedelics are not needed (duh) to attain enlightenment, and certainly will never give someone ever lasting enlightenment - but they ARE capable of bringing one to an enlightened state.
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tekramrepus
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: tekramrepus]
#1489548 - 04/24/03 01:05 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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On another note, I think some of you may be skeptical of this becuase you view enlightenment as something extremely hard to achieve and far out.
Enlightenment is simply our truest nature, the nature of nomind....instead of the nature of Mind (ego).
Our mind, and our body are both tools....but when we confuse them as OURSELVES....this is when we adapt an ego, and fall in consciousness. To be enlightened, is to be aware without forming opinions or attaching or clinging.
So to achieve this from a plant or fungus, is NOT at all far fetched.
Anyone can achieve enlightenment, regardless of age, intelligence, gender, race, etc.
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: tekramrepus]
#1489616 - 04/24/03 01:28 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think enlightenment doesn't just stay with a person, too - you have to work to keep the internal magic going
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Strumpling]
#1489631 - 04/24/03 01:35 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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But isn't it our nature to have an ego?
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Murex]
#1489857 - 04/24/03 02:29 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think its our nature to balance the ego and the "logos" or whatever you want to call it.... modern society completely ignores the unconscious now, and is almost strictly dependant upon ego for survival. "I deserve this job because I am ME and I am SPECIAL" that kinda thing makes the ego very useful. Its not easy to stand out in a crowd if you barely have an ego, and this society digs those who stand out in a crowd. too much ego, though, I think is very bad for society; we're watching that happen right now.
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: tekramrepus]
#1493999 - 04/25/03 04:54 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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IMO, if you have defined enlightenment for yourself, I would say you have entirely missed the point.
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Insomniac]
#1494018 - 04/25/03 05:05 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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supermarket: "I no longer have ego"
hmmmm.....thats a very interesting comment. do you know what an ego is?
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: tekramrepus]
#1494058 - 04/25/03 05:31 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks for your explanation, supermarket
i am under the impression that enlightenment is something that is very difficult to acheive indeed. not something you can get to for a few hours by eating some fungus or LSD. also i have a hard time accepting that "enlightenment" can be temporary - the nature of the concept seems to me to denote a state that is reached somehow through the power of one's own mind and you stay that way once you acheive it. I think i'm skeptical that enlightenment of this sort even exists; i lean more toward the idea that you and others simply interpret profound thoughts and mental patterns to be that you have reached some sort of otherworldly brain state. if enlightenment can be reached by dosing on shrooms, it seems that it's much less special than i had thought.
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: ninjahedge]
#1494101 - 04/25/03 06:06 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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enlightenment is completely subjective. (in my belief) the romantic idea that a human being can become "enlightened" and understand the ultimate truth of the universe is false. people understand the universe how ever they want to, and if they are content with their understanding, and live happily, they are "enlightened", in their own personal sense. but what do i know.....im not enlightened.
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1494171 - 04/25/03 07:04 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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when you're sober you're sober when you're tripping you're tripping it's all in there, things just get hidden, especially when you have a million other things you feel like you have to worry about or it will be the end of the world. whats with this mental state hierarchy? what is more real? that empty feeling you get when you wake up in the morning sometimes, or that connected feeling you get when it just starts to get dark and quiet outside and the stars begin to shine... how can you say anything you feel is an illusion? if you're feeling it than i'd say its safe to call it 'real'. even if your 'logic' on the matter is completely ass-backwards, you're still feeling something. it's essence is pure. remember when you got really physically hurt that time? you don't feel that pain anymore, so did it really happen? sounds like you can have 'sober' delusions of grandeur just as easily by thinking you can classify what is real or not in the mind... or in life, for that matter. my .02
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Grav]
#1494184 - 04/25/03 07:15 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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on another note, I think if you depend on drugs for "enlightenment" you're really digging yourself into a hole.
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Grav]
#1494414 - 04/25/03 09:17 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is just a concept, stop typing and free "yourself".
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Sclorch]
#1494708 - 04/25/03 11:49 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you all really think about it, isn't tripping no different than 'reality'?
Reality, in my opinion, is just the entire 'experience' and everything within it. But, reality IS subjective from one person to the next, and that's what makes us individuals and shapes who we are/become. For example, the issue of, is the cup half empty or half full? Both people are absolutely correct, but they both have different perceptions of the same experience.
Therefore, if I'm tripping really hard in my room and am experiencing what feels like literally hundreds of years in the insane mindstate, am I really TRIPPING? Or am I just experiencing 'reality' in a different way, with it being no less 'real'?
A schizophrenic is only considered 'insane' because he is not part of a major percentage compared to the concensus of people in this world. Just because one person experiences life differently, whether drastic or minimal, doesn't mean what he is experiencing is any less or more 'real' than what most people experience.
This is my mindset. Reality and everything within it are only as real as you care to make them, there is no absolute 'gauge' as to how real something is because you can readily debate what the definition of 'real' really is.
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: HB]
#1494755 - 04/26/03 12:01 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pretty much, the first step to approaching all of this is making the decision of:
Are you experiencing this reality?
or
Are you manifesting this reality?
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: Grav]
#1494993 - 04/26/03 01:02 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
what is more real? that empty feeling you get when you wake up in the morning sometimes, or that connected feeling you get when it just starts to get dark and quiet outside and the stars begin to shine...
how can you say anything you feel is an illusion? if you're feeling it than i'd say its safe to call it 'real'. even if your 'logic' on the matter is completely ass-backwards, you're still feeling something. it's essence is pure.
remember when you got really physically hurt that time? you don't feel that pain anymore, so did it really happen?
sounds like you can have 'sober' delusions of grandeur just as easily by thinking you can classify what is real or not in the mind... or in life, for that matter.
hey Grav I really like that
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Re: Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur? [Re: NariusFractal]
#1495227 - 04/26/03 03:12 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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what a minute--
what does "manifesting this reality" mean?>
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