Sclorch said:

Yes, it is equally wrong, we should be doing everything for free..."free"dom

I think you may have forgotten about mediocrity.
It's a big problem in socialism and communism. 

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OrgoneConclusion said:

I know he bends spoons with his hand. Real men bend railroad spikes or horseshoes with their hands. I am currently stuck at the paper clip level.

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Diploid said:

You cannot control it, you can't choose what goes out from your head

You disregard the fact that many claimants insist they CAN control it and do it on demand every time they trip. Are you calling them liars? Cuz I am.

the Randi test must be repeated several times

Perhaps you haven't bothered to read the JREF rules before critiquing them.

The Randi test (like numerous others around the world in case you don't like Randi) requires it be repeated exactly often enough to rule out a lucky win from random chance, not a single time more. Is that not a fair and reasonable standard?

Would you let yourself get raped several times for $1000,000?

Ah, this must be some strange new usage of the word "rape" I hadn't previously been aware of. An offer to make you rich for simply doing what you say you do all the time anyway = rape. Got it. I'll forward this to Merriam-Webster.

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Would the stage of Randi's experiment not be proper grounds for certain abilities to be demonstrated for the reason of them being... unsupported by those observing? No man is an island, I've heard.

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Being asked to demonstrate what you claim you can do is not "rape".

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Diploid said:So be it. That doesn't change the fact that some people (many Shroomerites in fact) claim to do it on demand. Unless they're liars, they should be able to do it for the JREF and pocket a million bucks. But all they ever do is blab about doing it, and that's telling.

I am not familiar with shroomery culture. However, I have seen many posts by people on other forums, and the vast majority are obviously imagining things, seeing connections where they want to see them. So what makes me different than any other random person posting on forums? Nothing, from your perspective, and that is perfectly reasonable. I would be lying if I said that doesn't frustrate me, but there is nothing I can do about that. Still, knowing I won't be believed has rarely stopped me from speaking my mind of things such as these anyway.

Correction: that is TWO times.

I am Swedish, english is my second language. To a swede the natural interpretation of "several" would be "more than one", but I see now that it actually means "more than two". Peculiar.

And for the record, the pre-test was created because whiny claimants complained that it wasn't fair to make them come all the way to the JREF in south Florida to take the test. In response to the whiners, the JREF created the pre-test. That saves them the expense and trouble of coming to Florida for the formal test if it turns out that they can't actually do what they say they can do.

So what we have is a bunch of mystic-heads complaining about something, then when they're accommodated, they complain about the accommodation. "It's not fair making me go all the way to Florida... and it's not fair bringing the test to me either. Whaaaahhhhh!"

The pre-test is of course necessary. I am simply pointing out that you would have to go through a traumatizing event that I would compare to being raped more than ONE time if you wanted to prove genuine mushroom-induced telepathy to Randi.

Bullshit. Show me where this appears in the rules. The truth is that the test protocol is PROPOSED BY THE CLAIMANT, not the JREF. The number of tests and format of the test is whatever the claimant wants it to be. The JREF only requires that it's statistically valid and there's no cheating. Period.

JREF is not out to fail people. It's out to find the truth, whatever it may be.

Do you not think it is likely that JREF would, beforehand, demand more than one test in order to rule out cheating?

Then don't use hyperbole. Being asked to demonstrate what you claim you can do is not "rape".

I am not familiar with the word "hyperbole", however a search generated the result "overstatement or understatement", is this correct? Then I do not believe I have done this, I would definitely compare the genuine telepathy experience to being psychologically raped.

Nowhere. That's why I used the phrase "many claimants" and not "you".

Actually you said "many claimants" in a different context, at the beginning of your post, and the full quote of you would be "An offer to make you rich for simply doing what you say you do all the time anyway = rape", suggesting you were talking about me.

imstunned said:

u mean me or the micky mouse fan?

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Repertoire89 said:

imstunned said:

u mean me or the micky mouse fan?

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Your post is far too long for me to consider reading.

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When i was about to fall asleep i was thinking about it and was thinking 'hey, maybe the 'crazy' ones are in that state all the time. Maybe i will be getting crazy and hearing voices if i keep exploring that stuff'!? Maybe the voices are not a bad thing necessarily if they are real.

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Thanks for this post. Very interesting read.

The next day i figured i was able to let go from this experience and go back to my actual life and to what i believed (before the trip) is true. Basically wipe this out of my brain. But i dont want to. I want to know what it was. I had shroom trips three times as strong and never experienced anything like it. Thats because i never believed in it. U know if such a none-believer experience something like this it is way more obvious to him that it is true(real) as if a half crazy one who always wanted to believe its real experience it.

I had a feeling it is possible for me to explore this world while tripping and pretending im the old one to the 'real world'. It is kinda hard for me to not speak about it to my close friends and my girl friend. I did talk about it with one friend and my gf but only for about a minute until i figured they are not able to understand what i am talking about. The friend started wild suggestions and thought it would be a cool trip. Couldnt connect it to something real. my gf probably thought i would go crazy and it made her hate drugs even more lol Tho she didnt show it. She pretended to be interested when i came up with the 'u know when u walk in the city, have a feeling somebody is watching u, and when u turn around there is really somebody watching - that is some kind of telepathy. Or if someone thinks about somebody and all of the sudden he calls u.' Things like that will get a lot of people going because almost everybody experienced something like this before. But at the end of the day 'connecting to the rats' was something out of my mind while tripping and couldnt be real. I cant even blame anyone of thinking that as it is exactly what i would have thought. Just that i am a person who will keep saying its humbug even if somebody came with that old telepathy story. I experienced this aswell but it must be something else i would have said.

I did also think that it could be bad exploring this too often without much time inbetween. thats why i didnt do it again yet. I will wait about 2 months.

And i will share everything i discover. Im just not sure if this is the right place for it. If i find a way to prove it u will hear from it on a news chanel

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  But I think with all this you will uncover something very ugly about how things work on this planet.

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Im not too sure if thats what u mean, but i discovered how the world works even before this trip but now it is so much more clear. Actually i have found a few things but the one i think u r talking about is:

The majority of people are still not free. Still slaves of the govs. Slaved by the money. What i am seeing is 95% of people around the world stay up in the morning (forced), go to a job they hate, work their asses of for somebody elses wallet, getting the absolute minimum cash and are so brainwashed that they are even proud on it.
Watching shows from the usa makes me laugh. For example the 'pawn shop' every second guy says 'hey, im happy only getting 1/3 of the money my thing is worth, because economy sucks so bad' im asking myself is this guy brainwashed so hard that he really believe this is true? Or are they there to brainwash the other watchers? I dont know. What i do know tho is that the president will get his loan no matter what. And not a cut one. And he will also not give anything away for less money than its worth just because of the imaginary crisis the govs pretend to have to be able to scam their nation even more.


We are all sorry for the people who had to work for their bread and water back in the days. But what is different in the world today? Back in the days they got their bread and their water and knew what they had. Today we are getting money instead of bread and water. With that money we need to buy petrol for our car to get to the supermarket. The gov comes and wants about 50% of the petrol costs. Now we are at the supermarket. Getting some bread. Now what? The gov seriously comes around to get taxes from me to buy my bread... Actually we have it worse than the poor slaves back in the days we are sorry for. If we got our bread (money) people will come from everywhere to try and get a piece.... and they do not only try! they fucking force you to do so (taxes).

I tell u what, in a few hundred years people will look back and will be as sorry for us as we are now for the poor slaves before.


I think the best way to regulate income for everyone is to force a boss to never be able to earn more than his best worker. And the second best worker should not get less than 95% of what the best earns. And so on... That would make sure everyone gets about what they deserve. And the fatass still sitting on his fat butt doing absolutely NOTHING but earning, still gets his ass pumped full of money. Anyway im drifting away. But thats also a major thing im thinking about a lot lately.

What fits here is a frase from Terence McKenna who said 'u need to have a plan. If u dont u will become part of somebody elses plan'. If u let that happen u will not die happy. i can imagine u will always have the feeling of having forgotten something, or having to do something. I had this feeling until this Trip. Im not sure exactly why yet. Maybe its just that - opening the third eye. I dont know. maybe its just that i got answers to questions i had unanswered before. I will try to find out

GreyMorph said:

I've experienced it. Don't care to try and prove it to mankind. Even if you could recreate a spontaneous event and finally prove it to the world, would the money be worth the enormous amount of effort and ridicule you'd get while trying to recreate the experience?

Do I believe it's possible? Yep.

Do I care if the world ever proves it? Nope.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

Telepathy believers are exactly like Jesus freaks. They will do cartwheels to get you to believe (tens of thousands of posts on both), but when all their arguments fall flat, they suddenly don't care if you believe them or not. It is not important.

Then a few months later they will start another thread on the exact same topic trying to get converts.

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GreyMorph said:

I like how you guys lump me into one category of two. Either right or wrong. There is more to it than that blah blah blah and yes, I'm fine with working 40+ hours a week than trying to prove telepathy and ill never make any threads trying to convert people into telepathic believers, I really don't care. I've never cared what others believe and I've never argued for or against telepathy, I'm simple saying that it is an unusual phrenomenon that i believe I have experienced. I don't care about either party, it's just another silly debate like politics or philosophy. Freedom of beliefs.

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FishOilTheKid said:

I fully believe that you ARE experiencing something real.  I know that telepathy like this exists.  People freak about psychosis and schizophrenia and they should but no one should blanket statement all things extraordinary.  You will find out what is real and what is not but it will take time and perhaps confusion.  Potentially a collapse of your perceived self identity or ego.  Just be skeptical of your conclusions and always question what it is that you are believing in the now.  Test it all anyway you can repeatedly.  ESP is real but I doubt some of what you were experiencing is actual.  The worst is to invest too much in the conclusion(s) that come from these psychedelic states then build your beliefs from something that can be proven to be false later in time.  If its a major element of who you are and you have elaborate 'systems' that hinge off of the decision to believe or not things tend to get complicated if you can't let go of what you once chose as Truth.

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When i was about to fall asleep i was thinking about it and was thinking 'hey, maybe the 'crazy' ones are in that state all the time. Maybe i will be getting crazy and hearing voices if i keep exploring that stuff'!? Maybe the voices are not a bad thing necessarily if they are real.

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This is where it all led for me.  But the voices are of Beings with distinct personalties and they can act in ways that they choose.  They are good at the game of deception and often lie to gain belief.  (which is a part of you)  Then once you think you have it figured they jokingly say, at least they did to me, 'HAVIN YA!'  They play a game sending people into insanity on purpose to feed on a bleeding energy system.  We are the rats.  We are the pets.  They are the watchers or what have you.  Just like you could tap into some level of telepathy these beings monitor the population and have similar access.  Just like you could 'know' so can they.  Just like you could direct attention so can they.

Be careful is my advice.  And always know that you are walking a fine line between be labeled and accessing Truth.

You are toying with the very way that your mind works and relates to the rest of the interaction that is going on.

Things can get ugly when you can't make sense out of what is real anymore.  Its very exciting!  But I think with all this you will uncover something very ugly about how things work on this planet.

If you can mind control your rats with simple suggestion think of what is possible...  Again we are the experiment.  ...The lab rats or guinea pigs.

Will you share more?

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They are known as the Jinn;

Their plan is well-known to most on this planet. Some humans work with them to do very naughty things.

They oppose God-ness... Way back in a while when first man was created one of their dudes (Iblis) took issue with this and set out to fuck shit up. The result is an interstellar conflict and we happen to be the poor squishy folks stuck in between. We each have a choice: work for Nature and experience freedom, grace, Love, ecstatic bliss, or work for these guys, enjoy this transient life for a time and get wrecked beyond all comprehension for choosing to commit wilful malice by Nature. They spin quite a weave of tales, the Buddhists have known their plan as 'Maya'.


The experiment is pretty simple;
Conjecture: Humans are weak/will turn away from Goodness in favour of stupidity/ignorance
Experiment: Earth (temporary life)
Proving: A lot of humans, unfortunately are. They have lived and died with hate in their hearts. But there are a lot of us who see through the crap, see through the ploy. We are warned and notified all day long. In this universe, ask yourself why there even is a debate between 'atheism' and 'theism'.

Thing is these dark fuckers watch humanity in the same way humans watch others with CCTV and remote surveillance. However there is a fine boundary. They can provide appearances, threats, conspiracies, ideas, whispers. Your power is to simply define yourself. They have no control over who you yourself are, and if you yourself reject them, they cannot harm you. All they can do is entice, seduce and hope you will become as hateful as them.

IF you want an idea as to the human:jinn interaction which goes on behind closed doors, look into MONARCH mind control


Seriously, all they want is for the powerful human imagination is to be used in an ungrateful fashion. That way, they win - they still lose as Nature will punish them for their vain attempt but they win in the sense that "if we're going down, you fuckers are coming with us". You can use your imagination to effortfully create darkness and ingratitude and despair and hopelessness and futility, or you can use your imagination to channel/flow Light upon Light, gratefulness, wisdom, hope/faith/trust/sincerity and completion. Yours is the choice. Fleshbot or Divine Being, your choice.


Protip: stop smoking. Seriously, stop smoking. If you want to keep your mind, stop smoking tobacco from their helpers.

Thanks for that!

You are in fact correct.

And monarch programming is what it felt like I was put through.  Trauma based mind control or something.

They claim that they are Lucifer and they wanted me to salute them...

One thing about their power: they can move my body.  Its disturbing what they want: control physically.  I can only imagine who is and isn't controlled COMPLETELY by them.

Reminds me of 'They Live.'

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Protip: stop smoking. Seriously, stop smoking. If you want to keep your mind, stop smoking tobacco from their helpers.

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