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 Telepathy on shrooms: part II 
#1006378 - 10/30/02 12:35 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm, I wonder why the telepathy enthusiasts here don't claim Randi's $1,000,000. As I see it there are only a few likely explanations:
1. They have no need or desire for the money. Not even to donate it to an orphanage or homeless shelter. (*coughs* Bullshit!).
2. They don't really believe it themselves and just want it to be true. To put it to the test and have it fail would shatter the "magic".
3. They believe it, but know it is not repeatable. Of course, non-repeatability could just mean coincidence and selective memory as I have previously pointed out.
4. They "know" without even checking it out, that Randi and his boyz will fail them no matter the result. This is highly prejudiced and lazy. ("We have NO NEED to prove it to anyone else." Yeah because you can't, so you come up with one lame excuse after another!)
Telepathy proven would be a huge landmark in human history. Seems no one here wants to have contribute to the spiritual growth of mankind in this particular arena. So much easier to simply swap campfire stories to titillate each other. *Yawn*
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
#1006406 - 10/30/02 12:42 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Making up for lost time I see. 
Nice thread, I was just about to start one on this myself. 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: ]
#1006465 - 10/30/02 12:56 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am definitely telepathic as schlorch can attest to, but if I claimed the $1,000,000, I would have to relinquish my skeptic mantle, apologize to all believers here and my ego won't let me do that! 
Of course, with the $1,000,000, I would reserve $50K for a shroomery bash to remember. There would be loud live music, a large punch bowl full of electric kool-aid and nekked babes for all. Maybe I would even splurge for a few tiki lamps...
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
#1007067 - 10/30/02 03:59 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
#1007095 - 10/30/02 04:12 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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They believe it, but know it is not repeatable. Of course, non-repeatability could just mean coincidence and selective memory as I have previously pointed out.
Yes, it could mean that. But it could also mean that the experience was just spontaneous, and we don't know how to recreate the conditions under which such an experience will definately occur.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Revelation]
#1007102 - 10/30/02 04:15 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've experienced it, and what revelation says pretty much sums things up...
it just sort of happened. why or how i'm not really sure, but i did experience it.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
#1007185 - 10/30/02 04:53 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't believe in it either.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: ]
#1007471 - 10/30/02 06:26 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I once "touched the real" and was arrested for it, but that is another story...
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 Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
#1008839 - 10/31/02 01:26 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nubious (started the ToS1 thread) is conspicuously absent here... big surprise.
*crosses fingers that nubious will show up* <---because I'm a hypocrite
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Sclorch]
#1009402 - 10/31/02 06:03 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry... been workin' lots lately. I just came across this thread, and of course I have a couple things to say. For starters, "If so, so what?" It's not direct communication, and like Revelation said, it's not repeatable on demand. That's the biggest dissappointment after havin' these experiences - you have NO idea when they're going to happen again. Telepathy or not, something's fucked up with shit that goes down. I'm not going to expand on this because I have a headache and I really don't feel like arguing with anyone, so I'll leave it at that.
P.S. - Revelation; let them think what they want to think. Maybe they're just not at evolved
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: nubious]
#1009713 - 10/31/02 09:34 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seriously, as I have stated, I have had "seemingly" telepathic experiences with schlorch and Mr. Mush (and others). If they are not repeatable or controllable then how can one be sure that they were psychic in nature and not just pure serendipity?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
#1012761 - 11/01/02 09:21 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it is possilbe there are different types of telepathy. I really don't want to be labeled a "non-beliver", but i have to express myself, right? I have been with people I have experienced "telepathy" with. Yes, it semmed we coul;d read each others minds. Yes, it was neat, and cool, and a good trippin' story. But I don't think trippin' your balls off and thinking like the guy next to you who is, you guessed it, also trippin' his balls off qualifies as telepathy. I think this type of communication needs a new name. Maybe "mushroom communication" or something. Real telepathy doesn't involve drugs, I fear. If you can stand next to me, SOBER, and put a thought in my head, then Viola! telepathy! If you ae under the influence, it's not the same.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Newbie2000]
#1012779 - 11/01/02 09:36 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure I understand exactly what the difference would be??
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Cosmic_Monkey]
#1013142 - 11/01/02 11:46 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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When telepathy occurs it has a reason. Trying to get money for it is no reason.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Newbie2000]
#1013184 - 11/01/02 12:06 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Real telepathy doesn't involve drugs
I definately agree - but what if mushrooms amplifies it by letting you drop the outside influences preventing it? It doesn't just happen on shrooms.. there will be times when I'll be on the phone with someone and we'll both decide to play the same game.. in fact that happened yesterday. Ever thought of someone you haven't talked to in a while and they called you that same day? Same thing.
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 Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: nubious]
#1013273 - 11/01/02 12:45 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly...
of course telepathy would be aided by drugs... it doesnt happen in everyday life, unless something triggers it, and a psychedelic experience could be just that..
psilocybin et al. inhibits the filters of the higher order processing of the brain that block inessential information, subsequently opening us up to a wide variety of information and possibilities that are not ordinarily available, yes this is why our brains are on overtime, working like they never have before
the brain works on chemical signals generating electric messages, if there are enough of them, of a certain kind and frequency, emulating a certain mood, or the prequisites or path to that same thought pattern, they may indeed trespass beyond the boundaries of our cranium and affect those within close vicinity.
this could be a possibility as our primordial lower order brains are essentially the same, the same natural fight or flight etc reactions.. using this rational, we could possibly share a telepathic experience with an animal, but i will leave this to later
the question is, do the signals get past the cranium at all, are the 'brainwaves' specific enough to create a pathway to an individuals thought pattern, and would another individuals brain be able to comprehend these messages ie. do others brains emotions and thoughts work on the same principles as another
using this rational, telepathic experiences between individuals would not share a huge depth of accurate 'i know exactly what your thinking' type of information, but could provide the subject
this is assuming that this is how telepathy works of course...
maybe it simply occurs when brain waves are in tune, or have you sensed that you know what someones thinking before, and been way off? is this evidence that brain waves are not similar between individuals?
I myself have never had a telepathic experience when i havent been looking into the eyes of that person, which i feel voids the procedure, so there ya go
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: ]
#1013829 - 11/01/02 04:21 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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When telepathy occurs it has a reason. Trying to get money for it is no reason.
Ah, dustin opts for Classic Excuse #1. It is of course, equally "wrong" to get money for God-given talents in art, music, engineering or even *gasp* being paid to serve others in any fashion.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
#1014168 - 11/01/02 07:42 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I refer the readers to the following articles:
Bem, D. J., & Honorton, C. (1994). Does psi exist?: Replicable evidence for an anomalous process of information transfer. Psychological Bulletin, 115(1), 4-18.
Bem, Palmer, & Broughton. (2001). Updating the ganzfeld database. The Journal of Parapsychology, 65(3), 207-218.
Hyman, R., & Honorton, C. (1986). A joint communique: A critical appraisal. Journal of Parapscyhology, 49, 3-49.
Basically, in 1985-86 the Journal of Parapsychology devoted two entire issues to examining telepathy and the Ganzfeld technique of eliciting it. Meta-analysis of 28 telepathy studies involving 10 laboratories was performed. "Of the 28 studies, 23 (82%) had positive z scores (p=4.6 x 10^-4)" (p. 6). Sparing everyone more statistical analysis, these Ganzfeld tests for telepathy involved a subject choosing one of four "targets," either a picture or video clip, which s/he believed had been sent to him or her from another person telepathically. As there are four possible targets, subjects would be expected to guess correctly 25% of the time purely by chance. Meta-analysis showed, however, a hit rate of 35% . This is by no means a large effect but it is an effect nonetheless.
Bem and Honorton's 1994 article improved upon the techniques of the Ganzeld experiments. Their study showed a hit rate of 32% overall, where 25% was again expected by chance. Interestingly, when they looked at sub-populations they discovered that a group they had recruited from a nearby arts school (N=20) had a mean hit rate of 50%!
Bem et al's 2001 study conducted a meta-analysis of 40 studies conducted since the last meta-analysis. These studies all employed the improved "autoganzfeld" technique, which as the name implies was fully automated, removing any possibility of human interference. These 40 new studies gave an overall hit rate of 36.7%
In short, psi exists. Telepathy, meaning "anomalous communication between two individuals," not only exists but is replicable in an artificial scientific setting. If one asks the next logical question, "What is telepathy?" there are a host of answers as diverse as the strains of P. cubensis. Scientifically, however, it boils down to two. The first is "superluminal information transfer." I just love saying that phrase, it's so fun. Superluminal information transfer. That means we send out "waves" faster than the speed of light which other people can "pick up." The EEG-reading device was first invented to pick up these waves. I don't buy it, myself.
The second explanation of psi makes more sense to me personally, and it is simpler. Bell's theorem (any phsycis majors out there?) states that reality is nonlocal. Physics proved this 10 years ago. This means that while in our "macro" world of everyday experience things must be in close proximity to one another to influence each other, in the "micro" world of quantum physics and the brain proximitiy is not a factor. So the second explanation of telepathy is that we don't have to send telepathic"waves" to each other because we are already connected to each other.
So there. 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: machineelf368]
#1014189 - 11/01/02 07:57 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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P.S.
Telepathy happens most often when we enter a state of consciousness commonly called hypnagogic, meditative, in trance, etc. This state is characterized by certain physiological and subjective experiences which are extra-ordinarily similar to that state elicited by tryptamine psychedelics. In short, tryptamines such as psiloc(yb)in and hypnagogia/meditative states shift the field of consciousness from the cortex to the midbrain. This fires up the pineal gland to produce more than usual beta-carbolines and it's own DMT. This state of consciousness is partially reproduced in the (auto)ganzeld experiements I was just talking about. As some of you may know, when harmaline was originally discovered in Amazonian ayahuasca beverages it was dubbed "telepathine" for it's uncanny ability to produce group trips in the tribal participants. My theory is that beta-carbolines such as pinoline (pineal harmaline) which are produced by the brain's pineal gland increase our awareness of the nonlocal anomolous state (aka the Tao, brahman, God, etc.) that we all exist within. So just keep that in mind the next time you eat some 'shrooms.
See also Mavromatis, A. (1989). Hypnagogia. New York: Kegan Paul-Routledge.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: machineelf368]
#1014712 - 11/01/02 11:43 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah, dustin opts for Classic Excuse #1. It is of course, equally "wrong" to get money for God-given talents in art, music, engineering or even *gasp* being paid to serve others in any fashion.
Yes, it is equally wrong, we should be doing everything for free..."free"dom
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#1017456 - 11/03/02 12:57 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, it is equally wrong, we should be doing everything for free..."free"dom
I think you may have forgotten about mediocrity.
It's a big problem in socialism and communism.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Sclorch]
#15107018 - 09/20/11 03:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The reason is none of the stated explanations in the first post.
The reason is that while in the full mushroom-induced telepathic state you are extremely vulnerable. You cannot control it, you can't choose what goes out from your head. It's like the boundaries between your ego and those you are telepathically connected with disappear, it's like you're inside each others heads.
Just imagine what that feels like. At first when it happens you are amazed, but after a while you start thinking about your dirty innermost secrets, and you just can't help thinking about them. Thinking "Oh no, I mustn't think about this or that" only makes it worse. You are totally exposed. It's like having your mind raped.
Because of this, very few people that have experienced the full ramifications of this state care for repeating it (once they've repeated it enough times to establish that they are real, that is).
So, besides finding someone with the ability to go into the mushroom-induced telepathic state, which is rare enough as it is, that person also needs to be completely free from dirty secrets. Not to mention that the Randi test must be repeated several times. Would you let yourself get raped several times for $1000,000?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
#15107813 - 09/20/11 05:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The answer may lie with Uri Geller, know much of him Swami?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: WScott]
#15108207 - 09/20/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know he bends spoons with his hand. Real men bend railroad spikes or horseshoes with their hands. I am currently stuck at the paper clip level.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Sclorch]
#15108591 - 09/20/11 07:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, it is equally wrong, we should be doing everything for free..."free"dom
I think you may have forgotten about mediocrity.
It's a big problem in socialism and communism.
I too had forgotten about this thread.
Then again it's been eight fucking years.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: LunarEclipse]
#15108761 - 09/20/11 07:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would totally get raped to prove telepathy to the world. I'd give my life screaming if I could advance society in such a manner. But, it's never gonna happen because it's an illusionary perception only.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: RedNucleus]
#15110308 - 09/21/11 02:07 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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First. read my signature for my telepathic experience.
telepathy and intuition go hand in hand. if i am in my sober state i have more of a sharp intuition rather than mind reading capabilities. i can just tell if i should talk to someone or not just by their vibes they put out but it comes at a price; i get anxiety around a group of people i dont know cause everyones vibes are too much and can get overwhelming. For telepathy to work successfully really all depends on the person because i believe some people are better senders or better receivers or good at both but when it happens it is so like “wtf am i crazy but did that just happen?!?!”… people who are good at both or senders are easier for me to read their thoughts and then some people i can i have a conversations with if the connection is right. you can really tell by peoples personalities also because most senders are really talkative and receivers are more kept to themselves. the most important part of the whole thing is to do it with someone you love and feel comfortable with.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Pasco]
#15110799 - 09/21/11 08:10 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You cannot control it, you can't choose what goes out from your head
You disregard the fact that many claimants insist they CAN control it and do it on demand every time they trip. Are you calling them liars? Cuz I am. 
the Randi test must be repeated several times
Perhaps you haven't bothered to read the JREF rules before critiquing them.
The Randi test (like numerous others around the world in case you don't like Randi) requires it be repeated exactly often enough to rule out a lucky win from random chance, not a single time more. Is that not a fair and reasonable standard?
Would you let yourself get raped several times for $1000,000?
Ah, this must be some strange new usage of the word "rape" I hadn't previously been aware of. An offer to make you rich for simply doing what you say you do all the time anyway = rape. Got it. I'll forward this to Merriam-Webster.
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I know he bends spoons with his hand. Real men bend railroad spikes or horseshoes with their hands. I am currently stuck at the paper clip level.
I meant what he talked about in regard to audience interaction, and how the collective intention of the audience played a roll in how successful his 'tricks' were. He failed that one time (but I know not the only time) on Johnny Carson, perhaps because the whole premise of the show was to test his ability, whilst being critical, perhaps unopened to Uri.
Would the stage of Randi's experiment not be proper grounds for certain abilities to be demonstrated for the reason of them being... unsupported by those observing? No man is an island, I've heard.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: WScott]
#15110872 - 09/21/11 08:43 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think;
A large group of people are frauding and out to make money (incl Uri Geller).
A small group have experienced it and are shitting bricks.
I doubt it's consistently reproducible because that would need full knowledge of what induces telepathy. That's how you can always repeat a science experiment, your knowledge encompasses the experiment. We don't know jack shit about what telepathy is and all the fuckwits claiming to bend spoons do it a grave injustice.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Diploid]
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You cannot control it, you can't choose what goes out from your head
You disregard the fact that many claimants insist they CAN control it and do it on demand every time they trip. Are you calling them liars? Cuz I am.
the Randi test must be repeated several times
Perhaps you haven't bothered to read the JREF rules before critiquing them.
The Randi test (like numerous others around the world in case you don't like Randi) requires it be repeated exactly often enough to rule out a lucky win from random chance, not a single time more. Is that not a fair and reasonable standard?
Would you let yourself get raped several times for $1000,000?
Ah, this must be some strange new usage of the word "rape" I hadn't previously been aware of. An offer to make you rich for simply doing what you say you do all the time anyway = rape. Got it. I'll forward this to Merriam-Webster.
1. I cannot speak for others, I can only speak from personal experience. My personal experiences indicate that it cannot or is extremely difficult to control. I have never spoken to a person that has been able to control it, but I have spoken to several people that have had identical experiences to mine, detailing specifics that would be unknown to someone that hasn't had the experience.
It seems possible to me that many years of meditation practice would give you at least the control not to think anything when things go bad.
2. I have read the rules for the Randi test. Before you may actually enter the real test you must first perform an initial test in your own country. That is several times. It also seems very likely that more tests will be demanded.
3. I do not care for your quibbling, obviously there is a difference between the literal use of the word "rape" and when it's being used in a descriptive sense like "it feels like your mind is being raped" (see the last part in the third paragraph of my previous post).
As for the statement "An offer to make you rich for simply doing what you say you do all the time anyway", I simply don't understand what you're talking about. When and where have I said that this is something I do all the time?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: WScott]
#15111259 - 09/21/11 10:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Would the stage of Randi's experiment not be proper grounds for certain abilities to be demonstrated for the reason of them being... unsupported by those observing? No man is an island, I've heard.
So you are promoting my much joked about S-Rays? (Skeptical Radiation)
If a person can do amazing stuff in front of a room full of believers, but not under close scrutiny, how is that a case for special ability and not a case for suggestion, gullibility and ignorance?
Did you know that I can do amazing stuff in front a room full of 3 year olds, but not adults?
Do not profesional athletes do nearly super human feats on front of an audience?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Pasco]
#15111515 - 09/21/11 11:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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My personal experiences indicate that it cannot or is extremely difficult to control
So be it. That doesn't change the fact that some people (many Shroomerites in fact) claim to do it on demand. Unless they're liars, they should be able to do it for the JREF and pocket a million bucks. But all they ever do is blab about doing it, and that's telling.
I have read the rules for the Randi test. Before you may actually enter the real test you must first perform an initial test in your own country. That is several times.
Correction: that is TWO times.
And for the record, the pre-test was created because whiny claimants complained that it wasn't fair to make them come all the way to the JREF in south Florida to take the test. In response to the whiners, the JREF created the pre-test. That saves them the expense and trouble of coming to Florida for the formal test if it turns out that they can't actually do what they say they can do.
So what we have is a bunch of mystic-heads complaining about something, then when they're accommodated, they complain about the accommodation. "It's not fair making me go all the way to Florida. Whaaaahhhhh! And it's not fair bringing the test to me either. Whaaaahhhhh!"
It also seems very likely that more tests will be demanded.
Bullshit. Show me where this appears in the rules. The truth is that the test protocol is PROPOSED BY THE CLAIMANT, not the JREF. The number of tests and format of the test is whatever the claimant wants it to be. The JREF only requires that it's statistically valid and there's no cheating. Period.
JREF is not out to fail people. It's out to find the truth, whatever it may be.
I do not care for your quibbling
Then don't use hyperbole. Being asked to demonstrate what you claim you can do is not "rape".
"An offer to make you rich for simply doing what you say you do all the time anyway", I simply don't understand what you're talking about. When and where have I said that this is something I do all the time?
Nowhere. That's why I used the phrase "many claimants" and not "you".
If your magical powers are of a lessor sort, alright then. But many people claim superior powers demonstrable on demand (but refuse to demonstrate them to the JREF).
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Diploid]
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May I nominate a certain poster for 'The Reading Comprehension Alert of The Month' award?
And why does poor reading comprehension seem to go hand-in-hand with alleged telepathic abilities?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Diploid]
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Being asked to demonstrate what you claim you can do is not "rape".
What if you are nekked and covered in oil and in a men's prison shower while performing the ESP test?
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Uh... yeah well, you got me there. 
But generally, when in a debate someone resorts to drastic hyperbole (test of magical powers = rape), it's a sure sign that they know their position is lacking, and they're being intellectually dishonest, seeking to win the debate rather then converge on the truth.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Diploid]
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I did not know that.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:So be it. That doesn't change the fact that some people (many Shroomerites in fact) claim to do it on demand. Unless they're liars, they should be able to do it for the JREF and pocket a million bucks. But all they ever do is blab about doing it, and that's telling.
I am not familiar with shroomery culture. However, I have seen many posts by people on other forums, and the vast majority are obviously imagining things, seeing connections where they want to see them. So what makes me different than any other random person posting on forums? Nothing, from your perspective, and that is perfectly reasonable. I would be lying if I said that doesn't frustrate me, but there is nothing I can do about that. Still, knowing I won't be believed has rarely stopped me from speaking my mind of things such as these anyway.
Correction: that is TWO times.
I am Swedish, english is my second language. To a swede the natural interpretation of "several" would be "more than one", but I see now that it actually means "more than two". Peculiar.
And for the record, the pre-test was created because whiny claimants complained that it wasn't fair to make them come all the way to the JREF in south Florida to take the test. In response to the whiners, the JREF created the pre-test. That saves them the expense and trouble of coming to Florida for the formal test if it turns out that they can't actually do what they say they can do.
So what we have is a bunch of mystic-heads complaining about something, then when they're accommodated, they complain about the accommodation. "It's not fair making me go all the way to Florida... and it's not fair bringing the test to me either. Whaaaahhhhh!"
The pre-test is of course necessary. I am simply pointing out that you would have to go through a traumatizing event that I would compare to being raped more than ONE time if you wanted to prove genuine mushroom-induced telepathy to Randi.
Bullshit. Show me where this appears in the rules. The truth is that the test protocol is PROPOSED BY THE CLAIMANT, not the JREF. The number of tests and format of the test is whatever the claimant wants it to be. The JREF only requires that it's statistically valid and there's no cheating. Period.
JREF is not out to fail people. It's out to find the truth, whatever it may be.
Do you not think it is likely that JREF would, beforehand, demand more than one test in order to rule out cheating?
Then don't use hyperbole. Being asked to demonstrate what you claim you can do is not "rape".
I am not familiar with the word "hyperbole", however a search generated the result "overstatement or understatement", is this correct? Then I do not believe I have done this, I would definitely compare the genuine telepathy experience to being psychologically raped.
Nowhere. That's why I used the phrase "many claimants" and not "you".
Actually you said "many claimants" in a different context, at the beginning of your post, and the full quote of you would be "An offer to make you rich for simply doing what you say you do all the time anyway = rape", suggesting you were talking about me.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Pasco]
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Do you not think it is likely that JREF would, beforehand, demand more than one test in order to rule out cheating?
The claimant proposes how many tests. The JREF will demand only enough to ensure that a lucky win due to random chance will almost-certainly not occur.
Why would you expect any less? It's a test of magical powers, not a test of how lucky someone is on random chance.
Actually you said "many claimants" in a different context, at the beginning of your post, and the full quote of you would be "An offer to make you rich for simply doing what you say you do all the time anyway = rape", suggesting you were talking about me.
I was careful not to refer to you specifically, but OK, maybe I wasn't clear enough. To clarify, I'm referring to the many people who claim to do this all the time, easily, and on demand. In the years I've been here, many Shroomerites have claimed this ability.
When they're pressed on why they don't go get rich at JREF, they make assorted excuses along the lines that money is not important to them, and they feel no need to prove anything to the world. Then they proceed for many pages trying to convince Shroomery members of their powers and complain about having to go to work the next day.
EVERY SINGLE CLAIM of magical powers that is amenable to testing has fallen flat on its face when tested. Can you see how that would make me highly skeptical of these claims?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Diploid]
#15111858 - 09/21/11 12:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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BTW, understand that telepathy COULD be tested with statistical near-certainty with a single test.
For example, the transmitter is given a large random number, say a 30-digit random number, then the receiver must state that number with no more than two digits in error. The probability of that happening by chance is practically zero, and so anyone passing that test would win the money, rock the scientific world to its core, and forever change the world and the course of human events.
This is a test the RJEF would find acceptable. It seems simple enough if telepathy is real. Very hard if telepathy is bullshit. No one has ever done it. Does that tell you something? It tells ME something.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Diploid]
#15111865 - 09/21/11 12:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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It is a testimony to the strength of your S-Rays.
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people should try this on low doses of DMT
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: buegskee1]
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Duh. They have. It didn't work. 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Diploid]
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It mustn't have been good DMT then. 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Mufungo]
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if people are gonna try it may aswell try it on dmt haha
would be awsome to telepathically communicate though all the things that would go unsaid.
and mufungo i got that shit today, cheers man 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: buegskee1]
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Yeah I thought that was the angle you were working, any excuse just to get high... 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Mufungo]
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hahaha yeah thts it lol
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: buegskee1]
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Hello there,
i know this topic is dead and old. Anyway i had an experience last sunday which i cant get over with. Now i googled and found this thread so i signed up to share my experience, maybe find someone who had something similar.
Let me tell u a few things about me. I am not a believer in god. God to me always was something created thousand years ago to get a hold over a lot of people who were easily affectable.
I dont believe in anything i have not seen with my eyes. Alien storys bore me to death. Im a very logical thinker and i think i am pretty smart compared to most others (call me smug :P).
I had an intense drug youth covered with a lot of drugs. smoking mary j for about 15 years, had a lot of shrooms, once a friend of mine had a big bag and i drank a shroom tee every day for 2 weeks until it only got me sick and i felt nothing else from it anymore.
Had a little coca time for about a year (not too heavy tho, at most like half a gram a day). When i came to jail about 10 years back my life changed and i didnt do as much hard drugs anymore. Still smoking weed tho (even in jail :P).
Anyway i missed the trips from back then and decided to buy some pan cyans (which i have never done before. Only mexicans before) about 5 years back. What i got from them was a very smooth trip. Not as heavy laughing as from 1,5g mexicans. But a little more visual. Infact that were the first real visuals i had until then. I looked at my screen while playing a game, And noticed how my enemy looks like its shrinking. But infact it was just him running away from me. Never noticed it like that before. Its true. To make u think the enemy is far away the programmers make them shrink. The next day i had some super cool side effects, i was walking outside and all of the sudden got a feeling i had forgotten i had when i was a kid. It didnt last long, like half an hour or so. Pretty hard to explain. Like a dejavu.
Now 4-5 years later again i wanted to have some trips and researched DMT and finally bought some. I found the trp very chemical and not really pleasant. One minute later i forgot about the whole trip... pretty ugly :P
Now i know what dmt is. No need to do it again. Maybe someday...
Now lately i had a few acid trips but it seems like i have not the same effects my friends do have. At least not as strong. So i decided to go for some pan cyans as i remembered them beeing somewhat visual and i like hallucinations somehow. Seeing something that isnt there always attracted me.
Now the real story begins...
I bought 1g pan cyans from shayana (not sure if i can write that here or it counts as advertisement, pls edit it then)and made a tea of it. Alone at home, with my two rats.
The trip started and i felt pretty good (apart from the water like diarrhea which came from the tea) enjoying myself watching movies. Somehow the rats cought my attention. I took them out and played a bit with them. Or they played with me kinda. I figured they wanted me to decide on one of them. When i gave my attention to one of them the other ran away. Did i look to the other and told her to come back the same moment the other started to run away. Like 'hey, u decided for the other rat, so i go away and let u alone'. Pretty strange. Either they never did that before or i never realised they do that.
Both rats back in the cage i layed next to the cage and looked at them. Im not sure anymore how exactly it happened but all of the sudden i felt connected to them.
*actually im having such a hard time finding the right words to explain myself without looking utterly insane*
They did things i thought envisioned. Like coming out of the cage when i thought it. Going back in that cage when i thought it. One rat always 'bites' me in my knee, she was on her way already and i visioned that she should go very easy on it and she did only touch it with her nose.
Now that all might doesnt sound too crazy and could be all coincidence. But i had this strong feeling the rats showed me something i never thought could be real or happening at all. I thought to myself 'hey, if THAT is possible, let me see what else could be possible'. For some seconds i also thought 'hey, is this maybe me getting crazy here???' but i proved to myself over and over that the connection to my rats is infact there.
I turned around on my stomache and tried to take a trip through my brain. I had a feeling like something exploded in my brain.
The first time in my life i thought i heared a voice saying 'welcome' or something like this. Like i entered a very sick 'state' (i dont know how to call it) where i am connected to something (again i dont know how to call it - maybe the DNS???), no not to something - but to a lot of people. Also i had this feeling the one who said 'welcome' was Albert Einstein (yer u can have a laugh i had one too  ). I didnt really had the 'feeling' but i KNEW IT WAS TRUE. Also i had a feeling i was somehow connected to Bill Gates for a second. I was so excited i had found a new 'communication system' where i can even manipulate other people i thought. At this point i had to pee so bad so i thought i would do that and come back to explore some more. After i came back i still felt the connection to the rats slightly, not as strong as before tho. I had become a little headache and it was very late already. So i decided to go to bed and try some more journeys there. The trip went away somehow. And i couldnt get anything going anymore. But still i had this very sick feeling of having something found i never thought could be possible and would be humbug.
I think MAYBE the dmt opened a door in my brain for that to happen or maybe it were just the shrooms i dont know. But something as sick as that i never even heared of before... Now googeling i found quite a lot of pages who talks about things like that. VERY sick that this happened to me! The nonbeliever himself. Everyone who came around with such storys like 'i have seen ghosts' and crap like that got laughed after. Now this is happening to me?
Oh also, when i entered this 'state' i had a lot of pictures going through my mind. U probably know a frase like 'u got to see the things if they happen' from a movie or something. Like things that happen and u can say 'hey, this happened because of this' But usually u dont see those things. I had the feeling all the pics ive missed in my life went through my head right there.
U know the frase 'the world is not circeling around u' but i had the feeling it does! A lot of things happen just because of me i had the feeling. I had the feeling if i do something a lot of people will do that just because i did it. Even tho they dont even know me or know i did it.
A moment i was sure to know why i sometimes think of my dead friend out of the blue, which sometimes scares me cuz its always a strange feeling when i think about him. In this moment i was sure 'hey, now i know why i have this feeling all the time, because something of him is infact still there. I had the feeling of him beeing there with me.
Reading such a story before that day i would have probably declared the poster insane.
Now im not really sure what to do with it. I will try and get to that state again. This evening i thought i will next time do more shrooms so maybe going deeper in that 'state'.
Anyway i was so thankful to my rats this evening. I thought they showed me all this by connecting with me there...
Now i read of that price this organization is offering 1mil$ to prove things like this. I might get me this if im able to do that again
Anyone got something similar? I found it too bad i didnt had the chance to try it with a human. Im pretty sure it would have worked.
Another thing just popping to my mind is that i had the rat coming to me when i was laying on my stomache and running away to his cage. I instantly understood why and made her come back just by my thoughts and make her give me a kiss. This is just one of about 20 situations where i proved to myself over and over that this is infact true and not something i am imagining because of the trip.
The trip itself was infact not that strong. It was a 1g tea of copelandia cyanesence which i couldnt evenb drink fully because the stuff shayana puts into it to hide it is just very ugly stuff. so i let most of the shrooms in it and only drank the 'water'. i had 2-3 very small laughing kicks and that was it. Not much visuals etc. I had this 'veil' over my eyes all the time tho.
Anyway i would like to know if anybody else had something like this? Maybe someone explored this 'state' some more already and can maybe help me to reproduce it, maybe help me working with it a bit more.
Im so excited about this.
When i was about to fall asleep i was thinking about it and was thinking 'hey, maybe the 'crazy' ones are in that state all the time. Maybe i will be getting crazy and hearing voices if i keep exploring that stuff'!? Maybe the voices are not a bad thing necessarily if they are real.
A lot of things came through my mind. U know people around the world made the same things a few thousand years back around the world. But infact they couldnt even reach each other because of the seas and etc. So they couldnt share things like that at all. Like working on pyramids, forming their heads like aliens and stuff like that. Alien followers think aliens gave the skills to them. I am now pretty sure that they gave it to each other by Telepathy of some kind. Yes, call me crazy, i would too :P. The long heads they probably made cuz they thought the telepathy would work better then? it might does :p
well whatever. i need a break. i will come back to see if something cared. Hopefully i find someone who can help me with exploring more deep.
Cheers
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned] 1
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Icelander]
#18951289 - 10/08/13 07:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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You have entered a psychotic episode. Though fun and exciting now, usually ends badly.
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u mean me or the micky mouse fan?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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u mean me or the micky mouse fan?
Your post is far too long for me to consider reading.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Repertoire89]
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u mean me or the micky mouse fan?
Your post is far too long for me to consider reading.
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Anyway guessing that u ment me i have researched everything. And i came to the conclusion that i opened my third eye (or activated my pineal gland) there for the first time. The headache i was talking about indicates this aswell.
Also i had a very strong feeling of almost everything that happens around u is to manipulate you. Specially people communicating with u. And i think the post of Eternal Cowabunga was one of it. Im really sorry if i am wrong here Dont take it personal. Call me paranoid
My guess is someone who tries to defend that world like a doorman. Or just very ignorant. After that many posts he should know better.
Im really surprised there are noone jumping on this and talk about it. Either nobody wants to talk about it as it is so exciting and humans greed taking over or noone really experienced this. Ive read only one of a thousand have this 'telepathic powers' and most of them never really discover those powers. So there is only a small chance of one of those thousand takes shrooms and activates his 'super natural powers' by accident.
But i guess about every single one of people who experienced this will research it in the internet and should sooner or later hit this thread here.
If its not all imagination im pretty sure albert einstein and bill gates connected to this world aswell. Damn it. Can anyone get a hold of bill gates? I just want to talk about it for a minute. I guess this is what a billionär would research. Something he cant buy with money
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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I fully believe that you ARE experiencing something real. I know that telepathy like this exists. People freak about psychosis and schizophrenia and they should but no one should blanket statement all things extraordinary. You will find out what is real and what is not but it will take time and perhaps confusion. Potentially a collapse of your perceived self identity or ego. Just be skeptical of your conclusions and always question what it is that you are believing in the now. Test it all anyway you can repeatedly. ESP is real but I doubt some of what you were experiencing is actual. The worst is to invest too much in the conclusion(s) that come from these psychedelic states then build your beliefs from something that can be proven to be false later in time. If its a major element of who you are and you have elaborate 'systems' that hinge off of the decision to believe or not things tend to get complicated if you can't let go of what you once chose as Truth.
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When i was about to fall asleep i was thinking about it and was thinking 'hey, maybe the 'crazy' ones are in that state all the time. Maybe i will be getting crazy and hearing voices if i keep exploring that stuff'!? Maybe the voices are not a bad thing necessarily if they are real.
This is where it all led for me. But the voices are of Beings with distinct personalties and they can act in ways that they choose. They are good at the game of deception and often lie to gain belief. (which is a part of you) Then once you think you have it figured they jokingly say, at least they did to me, 'HAVIN YA!' They play a game sending people into insanity on purpose to feed on a bleeding energy system. We are the rats. We are the pets. They are the watchers or what have you. Just like you could tap into some level of telepathy these beings monitor the population and have similar access. Just like you could 'know' so can they. Just like you could direct attention so can they.
Be careful is my advice. And always know that you are walking a fine line between be labeled and accessing Truth.
You are toying with the very way that your mind works and relates to the rest of the interaction that is going on.
Things can get ugly when you can't make sense out of what is real anymore. Its very exciting! But I think with all this you will uncover something very ugly about how things work on this planet.
If you can mind control your rats with simple suggestion think of what is possible... Again we are the experiment. ...The lab rats or guinea pigs.
Will you share more?
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Thanks for this post. Very interesting read.
The next day i figured i was able to let go from this experience and go back to my actual life and to what i believed (before the trip) is true. Basically wipe this out of my brain. But i dont want to. I want to know what it was. I had shroom trips three times as strong and never experienced anything like it. Thats because i never believed in it. U know if such a none-believer experience something like this it is way more obvious to him that it is true(real) as if a half crazy one who always wanted to believe its real experience it.
I had a feeling it is possible for me to explore this world while tripping and pretending im the old one to the 'real world'. It is kinda hard for me to not speak about it to my close friends and my girl friend. I did talk about it with one friend and my gf but only for about a minute until i figured they are not able to understand what i am talking about. The friend started wild suggestions and thought it would be a cool trip. Couldnt connect it to something real. my gf probably thought i would go crazy and it made her hate drugs even more lol Tho she didnt show it. She pretended to be interested when i came up with the 'u know when u walk in the city, have a feeling somebody is watching u, and when u turn around there is really somebody watching - that is some kind of telepathy. Or if someone thinks about somebody and all of the sudden he calls u.' Things like that will get a lot of people going because almost everybody experienced something like this before. But at the end of the day 'connecting to the rats' was something out of my mind while tripping and couldnt be real. I cant even blame anyone of thinking that as it is exactly what i would have thought. Just that i am a person who will keep saying its humbug even if somebody came with that old telepathy story. I experienced this aswell but it must be something else i would have said.
I did also think that it could be bad exploring this too often without much time inbetween. thats why i didnt do it again yet. I will wait about 2 months.
And i will share everything i discover. Im just not sure if this is the right place for it. If i find a way to prove it u will hear from it on a news chanel
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But I think with all this you will uncover something very ugly about how things work on this planet.
Im not too sure if thats what u mean, but i discovered how the world works even before this trip but now it is so much more clear. Actually i have found a few things but the one i think u r talking about is:
The majority of people are still not free. Still slaves of the govs. Slaved by the money. What i am seeing is 95% of people around the world stay up in the morning (forced), go to a job they hate, work their asses of for somebody elses wallet, getting the absolute minimum cash and are so brainwashed that they are even proud on it.
Watching shows from the usa makes me laugh. For example the 'pawn shop' every second guy says 'hey, im happy only getting 1/3 of the money my thing is worth, because economy sucks so bad' im asking myself is this guy brainwashed so hard that he really believe this is true? Or are they there to brainwash the other watchers? I dont know. What i do know tho is that the president will get his loan no matter what. And not a cut one. And he will also not give anything away for less money than its worth just because of the imaginary crisis the govs pretend to have to be able to scam their nation even more.
We are all sorry for the people who had to work for their bread and water back in the days. But what is different in the world today? Back in the days they got their bread and their water and knew what they had. Today we are getting money instead of bread and water. With that money we need to buy petrol for our car to get to the supermarket. The gov comes and wants about 50% of the petrol costs. Now we are at the supermarket. Getting some bread. Now what? The gov seriously comes around to get taxes from me to buy my bread... Actually we have it worse than the poor slaves back in the days we are sorry for. If we got our bread (money) people will come from everywhere to try and get a piece.... and they do not only try! they fucking force you to do so (taxes).
I tell u what, in a few hundred years people will look back and will be as sorry for us as we are now for the poor slaves before.
I think the best way to regulate income for everyone is to force a boss to never be able to earn more than his best worker. And the second best worker should not get less than 95% of what the best earns. And so on... That would make sure everyone gets about what they deserve. And the fatass still sitting on his fat butt doing absolutely NOTHING but earning, still gets his ass pumped full of money. Anyway im drifting away. But thats also a major thing im thinking about a lot lately.
What fits here is a frase from Terence McKenna who said 'u need to have a plan. If u dont u will become part of somebody elses plan'. If u let that happen u will not die happy. i can imagine u will always have the feeling of having forgotten something, or having to do something. I had this feeling until this Trip. Im not sure exactly why yet. Maybe its just that - opening the third eye. I dont know. maybe its just that i got answers to questions i had unanswered before. I will try to find out
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: LunarEclipse]
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I've experienced it. Don't care to try and prove it to mankind. Even if you could recreate a spontaneous event and finally prove it to the world, would the money be worth the enormous amount of effort and ridicule you'd get while trying to recreate the experience?
Do I believe it's possible? Yep.
Do I care if the world ever proves it? Nope.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: GreySatyr]
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Philosokitty finds that attitude lame and apology-ridden.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: GreySatyr]
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I've experienced it. Don't care to try and prove it to mankind. Even if you could recreate a spontaneous event and finally prove it to the world, would the money be worth the enormous amount of effort and ridicule you'd get while trying to recreate the experience?
Do I believe it's possible? Yep.
Do I care if the world ever proves it? Nope.
But you're willing to work for regular wages for the next 40 years instead. Something wrong with this picture.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Icelander]
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Telepathy believers are exactly like Jesus freaks. They will do cartwheels to get you to believe (tens of thousands of posts on both), but when all their arguments fall flat, they suddenly don't care if you believe them or not. It is not important.
Then a few months later they will start another thread on the exact same topic trying to get converts.
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Telepathy believers are exactly like Jesus freaks. They will do cartwheels to get you to believe (tens of thousands of posts on both), but when all their arguments fall flat, they suddenly don't care if you believe them or not. It is not important.
Then a few months later they will start another thread on the exact same topic trying to get converts.
Kind of like you on the Michael Phelps diet myth thread?
How many more times we gonna see that one?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: LunarEclipse]
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I like how you guys lump me into one category of two. Either right or wrong. There is more to it than that blah blah blah and yes, I'm fine with working 40+ hours a week than trying to prove telepathy and ill never make any threads trying to convert people into telepathic believers, I really don't care. I've never cared what others believe and I've never argued for or against telepathy, I'm simple saying that it is an unusual phrenomenon that i believe I have experienced. I don't care about either party, it's just another silly debate like politics or philosophy. Freedom of beliefs.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: GreySatyr]
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Telepathy is nothing like politics. It is NOT opinion. Nor are both viewpoints correct. It either does or does not exist.
As to lumping you in with others, you have opted for standard excuse #23. If you were so different you would have invented a new excuse, not one that has been seen on this board hundreds of times.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: GreySatyr]
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I like how you guys lump me into one category of two. Either right or wrong. There is more to it than that blah blah blah and yes, I'm fine with working 40+ hours a week than trying to prove telepathy and ill never make any threads trying to convert people into telepathic believers, I really don't care. I've never cared what others believe and I've never argued for or against telepathy, I'm simple saying that it is an unusual phrenomenon that i believe I have experienced. I don't care about either party, it's just another silly debate like politics or philosophy. Freedom of beliefs.
Try this one on. I believe that the OP Swami, and OrgoneConclusion are one and the same. Yet how can this be? How can a permabanned puppet come back as a happy puppet? It makes no sense. Trust me, someone pulled some strings to get him an exemption.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: LunarEclipse]
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You have a lot of time on your hands when you argue against something you don't believe in. I dot believe in ghosts but you don't see me arguing that ghosts can't be real and making a WHOLE thread claiming that they can't be real. So you have a numbering system for "excuses" of why I'm not believers of telepathy are not right? Anywho, there have been a million theories that were correct but couldn't be explained until years and year later. Everyone thought most geniuses were crazy until they'd been proven correct. "The world is round." The ignorant shouts, "NO, it's not!" in disbelief. Years later, omg the world is round...didn't that guy say that a hundred years ago?
It's just a stupid argument and waste of time. I know that telepathy can't be proven as of right npw and maybe it's not even possible and my experience was something else. Who cares?
Like I said, I've never argued it. I don't intend to. I simply stated my own experience. I don't care whether I was being extra receptive to pheromones or body language or it was telepathy, point is it happened and it felt like telepathy and I believe that it might have been.
I remain a very open skeptic. I don't say that it is so but I do say that it is a possibility. To deny something that can't be seen is ignorant. Air can't be seen.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: GreySatyr]
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Repertoire89]
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Nah, I'm always happy.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: GreySatyr]
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I'm not always happy and im not even sure where im going with this
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Lol, even when I'm angry, I'm happy. No kidding, it's my favorite emotion to release! Feels good man!
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I used to think I was always happy, on hindsight I've come to realize I wasn't. Oddly enough there is some pleasure to be found in negative emotions
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Anger isn't negative. That's just one perspective. Good song by the way. I'm not really always happy but point is, I'm happy with life although it could be better, it's good though cause it could be a lot worse.
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I fully believe that you ARE experiencing something real. I know that telepathy like this exists. People freak about psychosis and schizophrenia and they should but no one should blanket statement all things extraordinary. You will find out what is real and what is not but it will take time and perhaps confusion. Potentially a collapse of your perceived self identity or ego. Just be skeptical of your conclusions and always question what it is that you are believing in the now. Test it all anyway you can repeatedly. ESP is real but I doubt some of what you were experiencing is actual. The worst is to invest too much in the conclusion(s) that come from these psychedelic states then build your beliefs from something that can be proven to be false later in time. If its a major element of who you are and you have elaborate 'systems' that hinge off of the decision to believe or not things tend to get complicated if you can't let go of what you once chose as Truth.
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When i was about to fall asleep i was thinking about it and was thinking 'hey, maybe the 'crazy' ones are in that state all the time. Maybe i will be getting crazy and hearing voices if i keep exploring that stuff'!? Maybe the voices are not a bad thing necessarily if they are real.
This is where it all led for me. But the voices are of Beings with distinct personalties and they can act in ways that they choose. They are good at the game of deception and often lie to gain belief. (which is a part of you) Then once you think you have it figured they jokingly say, at least they did to me, 'HAVIN YA!' They play a game sending people into insanity on purpose to feed on a bleeding energy system. We are the rats. We are the pets. They are the watchers or what have you. Just like you could tap into some level of telepathy these beings monitor the population and have similar access. Just like you could 'know' so can they. Just like you could direct attention so can they.
Be careful is my advice. And always know that you are walking a fine line between be labeled and accessing Truth.
You are toying with the very way that your mind works and relates to the rest of the interaction that is going on.
Things can get ugly when you can't make sense out of what is real anymore. Its very exciting! But I think with all this you will uncover something very ugly about how things work on this planet.
If you can mind control your rats with simple suggestion think of what is possible... Again we are the experiment. ...The lab rats or guinea pigs.
Will you share more?
They are known as the Jinn;
Their plan is well-known to most on this planet. Some humans work with them to do very naughty things.
They oppose God-ness... Way back in a while when first man was created one of their dudes (Iblis) took issue with this and set out to fuck shit up. The result is an interstellar conflict and we happen to be the poor squishy folks stuck in between. We each have a choice: work for Nature and experience freedom, grace, Love, ecstatic bliss, or work for these guys, enjoy this transient life for a time and get wrecked beyond all comprehension for choosing to commit wilful malice by Nature. They spin quite a weave of tales, the Buddhists have known their plan as 'Maya'.
The experiment is pretty simple;
Conjecture: Humans are weak/will turn away from Goodness in favour of stupidity/ignorance
Experiment: Earth (temporary life)
Proving: A lot of humans, unfortunately are. They have lived and died with hate in their hearts. But there are a lot of us who see through the crap, see through the ploy. We are warned and notified all day long. In this universe, ask yourself why there even is a debate between 'atheism' and 'theism'.
Thing is these dark fuckers watch humanity in the same way humans watch others with CCTV and remote surveillance. However there is a fine boundary. They can provide appearances, threats, conspiracies, ideas, whispers. Your power is to simply define yourself. They have no control over who you yourself are, and if you yourself reject them, they cannot harm you. All they can do is entice, seduce and hope you will become as hateful as them.
IF you want an idea as to the human:jinn interaction which goes on behind closed doors, look into MONARCH mind control
Seriously, all they want is for the powerful human imagination is to be used in an ungrateful fashion. That way, they win - they still lose as Nature will punish them for their vain attempt but they win in the sense that "if we're going down, you fuckers are coming with us". You can use your imagination to effortfully create darkness and ingratitude and despair and hopelessness and futility, or you can use your imagination to channel/flow Light upon Light, gratefulness, wisdom, hope/faith/trust/sincerity and completion. Yours is the choice. Fleshbot or Divine Being, your choice.
Protip: stop smoking. Seriously, stop smoking. If you want to keep your mind, stop smoking tobacco from their helpers.
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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker
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Thanks for that!
You are in fact correct.
And monarch programming is what it felt like I was put through. Trauma based mind control or something.
They claim that they are Lucifer and they wanted me to salute them...
One thing about their power: they can move my body. Its disturbing what they want: control physically. I can only imagine who is and isn't controlled COMPLETELY by them.
Reminds me of 'They Live.'
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Iblis is the original one, then the name of their hoarde would be 'Satan' or perhaps 'Lucifer', the set of human beings following them whether knowingly or unknowingly are also part of the archetypal collective 'Satan'. These are the folks who walk around and spew hate and death and darkness and despair everywhere they go. Satan hates its subjects just as much as they hate each other and it stops to no end to hurt them as much as possible so they get pissed off and hurt everyone else too. Think of it like the Borg of Star Trek or the Machine Army of the Matrix, very adept analogies.
They can move your body only because your field of thought is still accepting these fuckers in. Celibacy, meditation and fasting will break them down. If you want rid of them, you gotta be serious and take a big huge step back in your life and turn directly to eliminating them. Otherwise they will attempt to confuse you everywhere you go, and every situation you are in, they will influence. You just have to go out on a weekend and watch all the criminals running amok to see how this stuff works. It takes man by the balls and drags him off the cliff like a lemming.
In the highest echelons of dark society, the folks there commune with these beings directly. Then on the surface they attempt to erase all evidence/trace of this so people fall into ignorance and don't even know they are being led. It's truly depraved what is happening behind closed doors, deep underground, where eyes do not see... except the eyes of the I-AM
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: GreySatyr]
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I had no effort at all. And it was just very nice. No pressure behind it. Why not prove it if possible. I will earn myself if i can :p. Just gotta make sure the country i have to prove it in allows mushroom consuming
By the way the telepathic part was just to show me that there is somethging overnatural possible. The real interesting part for me was what happened after that... Tho not very long lasting because i had to pee so bad (probably controlled by the ueber beeings the other guy is talking about to avoid me going deeper) it was ultimatively exciting. Really like i found a gate to access, and even control(or manipulate), humans through the dns somehow.
If im not mistaken Bill Gates once said LSD was about the best thing happened in his life. or was it steve jobs? Who ever it was, i wonder if they have accessed this world also. I dont know why but i feel he/they did. Im pretty sure noone whould have said that for a nice trip. specially not someone the world looks up to. Why would a billionär say something like that? His best interest should be to hide illegal facts like that? I feel like that was a message to humanity. Also if humanity once discover that there is some other world excisting there they will look back in history and see that bill gates was one of those lucky bastards who accessed this world and might even used to become one of the richest man alive?
Also i think u can regulate health alot with these powers. U figured that albert hoffmann and some of the other scientists who took lsd with albert hoffmann back then got over 100 years old still making documentarys with a very clear head? They either found a chemical that made cells die slower or they might also found this special world to regulate health to infinity.
By the way it was not a spontaneous event, After a while communicating with my rats i thought 'hey, if something like THAT is possible, what else can be possible?' i turned around laying on my stomache and 
Hope im not getting sniped for these thoughts?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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I had no effort at all. And it was just very nice. No pressure behind it. Why not prove it if possible. I will earn myself if i can :p. Just gotta make sure the country i have to prove it in allows mushroom consuming
By the way the telepathic part was just to show me that there is somethging overnatural possible. The real interesting part for me was what happened after that... Tho not very long lasting because i had to pee so bad (probably controlled by the ueber beeings the other guy is talking about to avoid me going deeper) it was ultimatively exciting. Really like i found a gate to access, and even control(or manipulate), humans through the dns somehow.
If im not mistaken Bill Gates once said LSD was about the best thing happened in his life. or was it steve jobs? Who ever it was, i wonder if they have accessed this world also. I dont know why but i feel he/they did. Im pretty sure noone whould have said that for a nice trip. specially not someone the world looks up to. Why would a billionär say something like that? His best interest should be to hide illegal facts like that? I feel like that was a message to humanity. Also if humanity once discover that there is some other world excisting there they will look back in history and see that bill gates was one of those lucky bastards who accessed this world and might even used to become one of the richest man alive?
Also i think u can regulate health alot with these powers. U figured that albert hoffmann and some of the other scientists who took lsd with albert hoffmann back then got over 100 years old still making documentarys with a very clear head? They either found a chemical that made cells die slower or they might also found this special world to regulate health to infinity.
By the way it was not a spontaneous event, After a while communicating with my rats i thought 'hey, if something like THAT is possible, what else can be possible?' i turned around laying on my stomache and
Hope im not getting sniped for these thoughts?
I have read this a few times and I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say.
And it was Steve Jobs btw.
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Im sorry, i answered to this post:
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I've experienced it. Don't care to try and prove it to mankind. Even if you could recreate a spontaneous event and finally prove it to the world, would the money be worth the enormous amount of effort and ridicule you'd get while trying to recreate the experience?
Do I believe it's possible? Yep.
Do I care if the world ever proves it? Nope.
I thought it was quoted. Does that clear things up? Or need any more help?
edit: Also it is based on the long post i made before in the thread
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
#18995228 - 10/18/13 11:45 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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And it was Steve Jobs btw.
As they are both Reptilians, they are essentially interchangeable.
When you learn to play, you will be 400 years old.
Kidding, that will NEVER happen. This chick, however, got it early and often.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: LunarEclipse]
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I had a small LSD trip yesterday and i was connected with the rats again. Pretty easy this time. The last weeks i always tried to do so without drugs and i felt the connection for a second every now and then. But yesterday the connection was constant again. And it was exactly the same as before on shrooms. The event does not have anything to do with a certain drug. The drug just makes me able to do so easy.
At some point i needed a rest from the rats and watched tv. Somewhen i had a strange feeling in my brain, like some very warm and nice second-batches. I couldnt figure why until i had a strong feeling of im having to watch at my rats (the feeling u have in the city, someone watching at your back, u turn around and someone is indeed watching you). I have this feeling SO often lately and everytime i look to my rats then one of it is watching me. I think i can now say for certainity that this feeling is REAL. It is by any means coincidence. Believe it or not, everybody wants to believe in it, but at the end of the day noone really does. Everyone declares it a coincidence. Because if it wouldnt be coincidence, the world would know about it, no? Fuck no! But why? Why am i the one discovering this? I cant believe i am.
Anyway what i was about to tell you, the warm feeling i got from one of my rats. I then laid back, closed my eyes and concentrated pretty hard on these waves and they got SO intense. I could CLEARLY feel them. At some point i figured what it was. Love. It was Love. (now i gotta sound like a hippy eh?! But keep on reading buddy )
I gotta tell u about me, i didnt feel love for a long time. Tho i have a very lovely gf for about 5 years. Infact i thought it was just an empty frase or an illusion by weak people trying to get something good out of their lives (or something along those lines ). Yesterday i found something sick. I figured that this was indeed some kind of love. And Love is the only thing a single person can change the world with. It is the only 'positive Power' a single person can create himself and connect to another (i am searching for the right word, i guess i found it) beeing. U can also manipulate people (beeings entirely i guess) with these feelings. These feelings are stronger and change more around u than u can ever think of.
Now thinking about this i guess i found that hate is such a feeling aswell, i guess the 'negative Power' (now it all makes sense with the 'everything has its two sites. Or what newton said every action creates a reaction. Or Ying and Yang', call it what ever u like).
What i also now figured is: in the last ~10 years i got very lazy. I am only hanging in my room and researching the internet quietly. This also didnt allow anyone to manipulate me. Or atleast it limited the amount by people manipulating me (unwillingly or knowingly, just thinking about me) to a minimum. I believe this has something to do with me being able to discover all this.
See? Talking about it even helps me to understand it all better (or better said - i understand it all anyway, it just helps me to put it in words for others to understand. And the more i write about it the more 'wow effects' i have.)
Anyway! i gotta run! Ill be back!
A special hint: get urself some rats and TRY! If anything comes out of it dont forget to come back here and talk with me about it
edit: a little note i want to add (mostly for myself): When i got my rats i was reading about them in the internet a lot. I somewhere read about a rat that eats the corneal from its human. As a friendly turn. On the other hand i want one rat to cuddle a lot.
A few days later i had one rat constantly laying next to me letting me crawl her, and the other rat seriously started to eat my corneal from the feet. I talked about it with my gf (like: exactly what i wanted to have!). Before i couldnt connect this with eachother. It was a coinsidence obviously. Now however i think these rats got the waves of my brain. Actually im pretty sure about that. The rats couldnt even know about eating corneal. Because they have NEVER experienced it. Now me reading about it in the internet and have a strong feeling of 'i want' all of the sudden it happens? HOW?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: LunarEclipse]
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*insert halloween remix track* but then uncertainty strikes.
Now! But not!
Etc.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: liquidlounge]
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*insert halloween remix track* but then uncertainty strikes.
Now! But not!
Etc.
And now this ruins or does it.
Not sure what this has to do with loving rats, but I can run with it.
My kitty has improved my hunting skills. I can actually catch mice that he corners. Now rats, that's another story.
Although he brought in a live female redwing blackbird in the middle of the day I managed to get back outside after only a little window bashing.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Not sure what this has to do with loving rats, but I can run with it.
What is it?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Swami]
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IMO the word telepathy fits in the same category as God and spirituality meaning we are not exactly sure how to classify it yet and as it remains a subjective phenomena.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Withinity]
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All three are members of the set called delusion.
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It depends , if you were to consider telepathy as a form of non verbal communication based on expression and body language would it be so deluded?
Animals do this all the time , our species not so much but doesn't mean we aren't capable of it.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Withinity]
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Ah yes, the classic PSP redefinition of words. Telepathy does not mean reading body language. It is alleged direct mind-to-mind communication not relying on the standard five senses.
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Regardless I'm pretty sure this is whats happening when people on Psychedelics refer to experiencing telepathy.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Withinity]
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Its nothing about god or spirituality (it might be exactly that, but not 'something like it'). I now searched for the prove that scientists connected the rat brains with eachother (which i have seen lately). And see what i found, they already did it with human and rats: http://www.geekosystem.com/brain-to-brain-connection-established-between-humans-and-rats/
Never heared anything was connected with god or anything like that by scientists
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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Re read my posts that's not what i was suggesting at all.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Withinity]
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IMO the word telepathy fits in the same category as God and spirituality meaning we are not exactly sure how to classify it yet and as it remains a subjective phenomena.
Indeed thats exactly what u said. Be careful, think again WHY do u say something like that. U might be controlled to say that to fool everyone who read my text and make them think im insane. Its not a subjective phenomena. Its researched and proven by scientists.
Also, im pretty sure the way u talk u think u cant be controlled. Pls watch the documentary Timeghost - moving forward. U r getting programmed by the day u are born. From your parents who became controlled before (unknowingly or unwillingly).
Did u know u can be controlled to be a headless slave and u r even happy with it? It is possible and that is exactly whats happening today. U guys are going to work happy eh? U standup everyday for someone else to work ur asses of, and u do it gladly! U r proud to say u r a worker. And u say every noneworker is a douchebag beggar eh? U dont even realize it because u was trained to think thats the normal life. Working for someone else to earn money (some elite member (later billionar) invented to make slaves out of the World.)
Do you know a millionar within your friends circle? I got very frustated when i figured that i have noone around me who has enough money to retire even tho they work their asses off for like 45 years. Something doesnt smelled right to me back then. Why do i know NOBODY who can live from their money?
Why is it possible for bosses to earn 95% of the income thousands of people work for? Why should that be possible? One earns millions a day by sitting on his fat arse while thousands of people work their asses off their whole lives almost ending up with Zero at the end of every month? And are even proud on that? It seems like there are only programmed people who dont care. They also dont think about it. They just blindly do what happens around them. Earning to then give the money away for consuming. U cant see that this is a devils circle? U are not coming any step forward.
Lately i talked with my dad about doctors and that they are operating 20% more than a few years back. Thats because they not get enough money. Not because it has to happen. To me that is absolutely shocking! They operate (playing with peoples lives) just to get more money. my dad said 'This are things im not thinking about. That is NORMAL. The poor man is so blinded from the 'new world order'. The sadest thing of that all is, i dont even want to try and show him whats really up here. Because that would show him that he was a puppet his whole fucking life and might make him fall into depressions... he is exactly that what i never want to become. A headless - none thinking - zombie. Thats what the govs want u to be. Blindly trusting the gov. What they are saying is true. Everything else is conspiracy theory (again u r programmed to think that way).
U think Fluoride is good for ur boddy? Good for ur teeth? Why do u think they put it in the water? Or tooth paste. Toothpaste can be said 'for the teeth'. But the water??? U seriously think water factorys give a shit about ur teeth?
Ask yourself one question: IF a government would want to toxify a whole nation to make them blind working zombies, how and/or where would it be possible? My answer was 'in things they need every day' that is? 'water and toothpaste' *shocking*. How to make a a whole nation sick so the national output gets higher by them visiting the doctor? Immunization. Which triggers Allergys and chronic diseases.
Fluoride in water was invented around 1940 if im not wrong. From 1940 to today the exact effect from Fluoride was entirely changed by scientist researchers 3 times! U understand that? Scientists found out that it doesnt do what they initially thought(im not exactly sure what the changes were but u can research it). But the water kept being toxified the entire time until today. How? U r not requesting things like that? U blindly just think 'it will be good, the govs do it'. It is NOT good. This stuff is made to calcify ur pineal gland which basically makes u a blind working zombie. I know its hard to accept. Accepting it would mean accepting you are a zombie slave. Or to stop working.
Please read what is written on your toothpaste right NOW. i did that for the first time a few months back and i was shocked again. It says if u have any more fluoride than what u take everyday with your toothpaste u must contact ur doctor because it is too much then. Thats the max dose u should take. That would mean u can not use water anymore. because that way u take MORE fluoride. By drinking fluoride the liver works off 50% of it. The other 50% get right into ur bloodstream and will calcify your pineal gland. However, if u take a shower, and your pores open up 100% of the fluoride will go into ur bloodstream. Thats why u should never keep staying under the water. Make urself wet as quick as possible, then put water off, wash urself, and water on quick again. Never stay longer than u need!
If we would invent free energy (which was easily possible even back in Teslas times) and use the resources of the world (water, wind, sun) at the end of the day we would need max 3% of the whole world to work. Experts estimated this could all be done within 10 years. Around the WHOLE world. NOBODY would be hungry anymore. Nobody HAVE to work anymore. But for the 3% work that still has to happen there will be humans to help out gladly.We could have paradise on earth again! Thats what the adam and eva story says by the way. He did something bad so paradise is not there anymore. The Govs do something bad so we cant have paradise. The only reason why this isnt happening is because of the human elite. The richest man alive. Because they wouldnt be the richest anymore. Money WOULDNT exist. Hunger wouldnt exist.
The changes for that would be payable by money earned within one year, by factorys that can be gone by tomorrow and nobody would miss them. Factorys only build to SCAM YOU. To make u a blind programmed working slave.
Now what is different to us today to the 'poor slaves' back then who got bread and water instead of money? Back in the days the slaves knew what they had and nobody came around asking to get some of their bread or water. Today we are getting money. Now what are we going to do with the money? We buy a car, to get to the supermarket. To get there we need patrol. How much of the patrol money goes back to the gov? For germans it is about 50%!!!!!!!! Now we got our patrol driving to the supermarket. Finally, we have our bread! But oh wait, wtf is this? Taxes? U now seriously want me to pay taxes to get me my bread? Oh wait, this is normal isnt it? Everyone does it, so it will be okay. But its not!!!!! U just think its okay because u r fucking programmed (hahaha u will think, this guy is crazy for thinking that. But really u r the one who is crazy for blindly thinking 'everyone does it, the gov says u have to do it, so its right' and not requesting anything.
Can u explain what makes the slaves today have a more comfortable life than the slaves before we are so sorry for? Infact we have it worse. We are forced to give away some of our 'bread' to just get the real bread. This is what they want us to do. Work to then get the money back to make slaves out of us.
Did u know factorys make things inferior so they brake quick so u have to get a new one? Lies?
Please take anything personal because its not. I know u r programmed to think different. That is what makes me angry. Not u urself. U r just a puppet on the strings
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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IMO the word telepathy fits in the same category as God and spirituality meaning we are not exactly sure how to classify it yet and as it remains a subjective phenomena.
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All three are members of the set called delusion.
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It depends , if you were to consider telepathy as a form of non verbal communication based on expression and body language would it be so deluded?
Animals do this all the time , our species not so much but doesn't mean we aren't capable of it.
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Ah yes, the classic PSP redefinition of words. Telepathy does not mean reading body language. It is alleged direct mind-to-mind communication not relying on the standard five senses.
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Regardless I'm pretty sure this is whats happening when people on Psychedelics refer to experiencing telepathy.
You attack one of my posts out of context and then ignore the rest. 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Withinity]
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Regardless I'm pretty sure this is whats happening when people on Psychedelics refer to experiencing telepathy.
There, there. I actually agree, now dry your eyes. 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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You're posting almost pure bullshit I hope you know that.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Icelander]
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Heh. U exactly the brainwasher or brainwashed guy im talking about. Infact im about the only one in this thread who posts useful stuff. 84.000 of your posts instead are pure bullshit.
@ everyone else who read my posts with interest, dont let urself get fooled by the other guys who pretend to ignore me or make fun out of it and say its all bullshit. Infact these guys just prove my point. They are so brainwashed and in control of someone who doesnt want u to believe what i write. It is way too obvious that they are either the brainwashers themselves or brainwashed themselves now trying to manipulate u aswell make u think what i write is untrue.
They are actually trying to make me think what i experience is something 'insane-like'. The big boys invented that term 'insane' and also make people who finally figured their dark plan look insane to get them locked up.
And just because u read a lot (got manipulated a lot) about insane people, u also believe people who talk like that are insane or conspiracy theorists.
[Mod edit: Personalisms]
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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 Nice. After 12 posts you understand what went down in all my posts. And btw did you know personalism are against this forums rules? Trying to make this about me doesn't for a minute distract anyone but you from the nonsense you're posting. 
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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imstunned: Leave the personalisms out of PS&P - attack the argument, not the poster.
Please read the forum rules located here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664
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Haha i get warned? And why did Icelander not get warned? Or does Quote:
You're posting almost pure bullshit I hope you know that.
Doesnt count as 'getting personal' but saying 'ur posts are pure bullshit'(when infact it is true - that this is negative for icelander is his own problem and not personalism. Just pointing it out) is?
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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Haha i get warned? And why did Icelander not get warned? Or does Quote:
You're posting almost pure bullshit I hope you know that.
Doesnt count as 'getting personal' but saying 'ur posts are pure bullshit'(when infact it is true - that this is negative for icelander is his own problem and not personalism. Just pointing it out) is?
I will reply here instead of the PM you sent since you posted here. If you want to discuss it further feel free to PM me, as I don't want to derail this thread.
A personalism in this context doesn't mean "getting personal" - it essentially means an attack against a person's character and not their argument. This means it's fine to say "your argument is B.S." but not "you are an idiot". See the difference between the two? So calling someone a "brainwasher" or "brainwashed guy" is not allowed, and hence why you got warned.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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Haha i get warned? And why did Icelander not get warned? Or does Quote:
You're posting almost pure bullshit I hope you know that.
Doesnt count as 'getting personal' but saying 'ur posts are pure bullshit'(when infact it is true - that this is negative for icelander is his own problem and not personalism. Just pointing it out) is?
Maybe if you took the time to read the forum rules before posting it might be clear to you. But maybe not.
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Sure i see the difference but where is the difference between what icelander said and what i said? Where did i say he is an idiot? And if i say he is either the brainwasher himself or brainwashed is an insult? Where is that an insult? Where do i get judged for calling someone that? How is it an insult if i think someone got brainwashed? Are u crazy (im asking, not saying)?
He literally called me an idiot by saying i talk bullshit. That was infact an insult. And he doesnt get warned? Poor guys. U just lost a honest guy who only provides a lot of information. For a guy whose only purpose is to write one liner (or three worder) to troll people. Congratulations. Thats the way to run a forum.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: imstunned]
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bye bye honest guy.
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Icelander]
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[Mod edit: Take some time out]
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Re: Telepathy on shrooms: part II [Re: Icelander]
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I love how broad this guys assumptions are, they are so fucking far off the map its funny. Its like he thinks his explaining conditioning and the corruptness of society to us for the first time. I bet this is all newly found information on his behalf that came through a YouTube video.
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