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 Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? 
#782259 - 07/28/02 01:30 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello,
I am new at cultivation and I was able to share my first harvest with a group of very close friends last night, and I can't even express the feeling of complete happiness I felt from seeing my friends smiling and having a good time and enjoying each other _because of something I brought to them_. It was the wildest feeling of being mother nature and overseeing the happiness that my friends were experiencing because of my efforts.
This has been a very fulfilling experience and I will continue to make the effort to bring these kinds of experiences to my friends. I am just wondering if anyone else has felt the happiness that comes with cultivation and sharing with your friends like I have? Have you felt like a creator of things natural and beautiful?
sigh
Karynne
this added on 8/18/02
I can see that this has gotten off the original question. My orignal thoughts were about being a mycologist just so you could give it to your friends for the sole purpose of feeling good that you can _cause happiness_ (real or drug induced: isn't it still happy?) I haven't given it to any of my friends unless I can be there with them to trip. So I have been lucky to be witness to a lot of laughs and smiles. I think there are a lot of valid points here, and though I like stirring a debate, I thought I would clarify my thoughts now that I have been able to reflect a little more.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: SwondPooping]
#782268 - 07/28/02 01:37 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone can feel that with drugs, You should say "has anyone felt overwhelming Fake Happiness?"
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
#782354 - 07/28/02 02:22 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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How is happiness that comes from drugs fake??? That was just not needed and uncalled for.
To answer your question, Karynne, I have felt this same thing before.
On one occasion, two of my friends told me that they were finally ready to try shrooms just as my last flush was finishing up. I didn't have enough for all of us to trip, so I decided to just let the two of them split the shrooms, and I would be their sitter.
As I watched them become introduced to the mushroom experience, I couldn't help but share in the euphoria that they were feeling. I saw the smiles spread across their faces, and "that look" come in their eye; and I was overwhelmed with happiness, almost as if I had eaten the sacred mushroom.
I was just so happy that I was able to share the fruits of my labor with them and bring them such joy.
And yes, each time that I have done shrooms myself, I have felt an intense, overwhelming euphoria that just courses throughout my body! It is such a strong feeling that I have been moved to the point of sobbing.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: SwondPooping]
#782459 - 07/28/02 03:24 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I cherish moments of happiness, instead of writing them off as delusions.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
#782478 - 07/28/02 03:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone can feel that with drugs, You should say "has anyone felt overwhelming Fake Happiness?"
I understand where Glowing is coming from, ask yourself if you would of have felt this way if you haven't ingested shrooms. You felt happy because of the effect shrooms were having on you but I still think that is genuine happiness. it's just that your feelings are multiplied ten fold and it feels overwhelming.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: chodamunky]
#782512 - 07/28/02 03:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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you still feel it, it is still a feeling of happiness...
Edited by Smack31 (07/28/02 03:49 PM)
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: RebelSteve33]
#782530 - 07/28/02 03:54 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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It might be considered as an experience... but an induced feeling is not that of happiness. We are straying to far from subltey
And um... what i said wasn't uncalled for, if you don't like it you can shove it buddy.
like i said even a person who lives a life of depression can have the illusion of happiness... if it is drug induced it isn't saying much. I do not deny that it is an experience but it is one that is not real
You seem to like to rationalize the reality of drug induced emotions
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
#782631 - 07/28/02 05:40 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I kind of agree with Steve that that was a bit harsh. I mean Karynne had a really great positive, perhaps growth experience and you just tell her how it was pretty much illegitimate. But I do respect your right to post whatever you want?
So you are saying that a feeling that is induced by a psychoactive chemical is fake?
First, if you agree that consciousness is grounded in physiology and, in the end, the experience of any emotion is due to a neuro-chemical change, then shrooming happiness is obviously no less real than any other experience we have (physiological states give rise to mental states).
But, that is probably not the ?real? you were talking about. So by real, what do you mean? What distinguishes real happiness from fake drug-induced happiness? Please enlighten Karynne so she may know. I'm curious too!
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 Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: buttonion]
#782921 - 07/28/02 08:11 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, I have felt overwhelmingly happy. And not just on drugs. However happiness on drugs is certainly real. You are perceiving it, so why wouldn't it be real. Who defines reality anyways.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Earth_Droid]
#783309 - 07/29/02 04:46 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who defines reality anyways.
Nature.
The most overwhelming happiness I've experienced has not been on drugs but involved meeting and getting to know the woman who would become my wife. No drug has ever been able to match that.
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#783316 - 07/29/02 04:50 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay, wow, I didn't know that this would cause such a stir. I wasn't so much happy for myself, as I was happy knowing that I had been able to give my friends something fun and enlightening and enjoyable to do on a saturday night. I never felt this when I bought the beer for a party, I never felt this when I threw the party and made sure there was pot there. So, yes maybe because of the mushrooms there was a more intense feeling. But even now, I feel closer to those friends, I am extremely happy that I could bring this experience to them and to some of them for the first time.
My real question was answered by RebelSteve, he understood what I meant by the happiness one gets from giving to others. Thank you.
At the time, it was overwhelming for me, now it is pretty significant.
Sigh
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 Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: SwondPooping]
#784171 - 07/29/02 12:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I suggest working at a homeless shelter or something
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: SwondPooping]
#784445 - 07/29/02 02:51 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Who defines reality anyways.
Nature."
Nature also gives us mushrooms, and why wouldn't the experience be natural? I mean nature allows us to perceive altered states of consciousness, why wouldn't they be considered to be as real.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: SwondPooping]
#784588 - 07/29/02 03:57 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
#817858 - 08/15/02 11:12 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hapiness in all its facets is still real to anyone experiencing it, however the reasons as to why we become happy and to what degree of happiness are as different as each and every one of us. Would I be happier meeting the women of my dreams than shroomin'? of course, nonetheless, would I be happy under both circumstances? absoulutely.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Earth_Droid]
#818530 - 08/15/02 04:14 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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However happiness on drugs is certainly real.
We can argue all day over what experience is real or valid or lasting, but ask heroin and cocaine junkies, alcoholics, burnt-out Xers and speed freaks about how happy they are.
Ask that same question to someone into health, creativity, their family, etc. and maybe we will have a better definition of what is real.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
#818880 - 08/15/02 06:20 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't understand why anyone with glowings' outlook would even be here. You call it fake and yet you are here. You think that any emotion experianced on drugs is not worthy and less valid than any other emtion. I hope you are not seeking enlightenment. Of course why would you be? It would just be fake. And by that, anything ever created while the creator was touched would be of a lesser caliber and invalid?
Why are you here??????
Do you have a fake fetish?
You sound like a drug councler/DEA type to me.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#819272 - 08/16/02 02:55 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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to me it sounds just like your avg. asshole...
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 Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: pattern]
#819513 - 08/16/02 05:19 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I cherish moments of happiness, instead of writing them off as delusions
If everybody did this...what a wonderfull world this would be!
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Swami]
#819549 - 08/16/02 05:39 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with swami....real happiness comes from your natural state..if its drug induced then how could that be real??
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: peacinanarchy]
#820102 - 08/16/02 09:04 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with swami....real happiness comes from your natural state..if its drug induced then how could that be real??
I think we're blurring the line between the intoxicating effects of drugs and the emotional responses to them. Euphoria from snorting coke is one thing, happiness brought on by revelations while on psychedelic drugs are something else entirely. I don't do stimulants or opiates or anything like that, but when I do mushrooms I often become acutely aware of the beauty of nature, people, life, etc, and this makes me immensely happy and appreciative of all that I take for granted noramlly. I don't care what you say, this is real happiness. Emotions experienced on drugs are real emotions. Anyone who has taken psychedelic drugs knows this. To say happiness cannot really exist except in your 'normal' state is ridiculous. I'm convinced our 'normal' state of mind is quite delusional itself. I can't believe anyone who has taken psychedelic drugs would even assert that the emotions experienced while under their influence are somehow fake or 'don't count'. "Yeah I had a bad trip on ten hits of blotter but I wasn't really scared." Yeah right.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#820369 - 08/16/02 10:13 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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To say happiness cannot really exist except in your 'normal' state is ridiculous. I'm convinced our 'normal' state of mind is quite delusional itself.
I agree.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#821361 - 08/16/02 02:48 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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You make a reasonable case yet in your opening remark, you seemingly contradict your entire argument with
Euphoria from snorting coke is one thing, happiness brought on by revelations while on psychedelic drugs are something else entirely.
What if you liked coke and hated mushrooms, would your opening remark then read differently? Seems you place the emphasis not on feelings like you say, but on revelations.
I don't care what you say,
There is a discussion-stopper right there. That is paramount to saying that while we are here to exchange ideas, your ideas are meaningless to me.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Swami]
#821384 - 08/16/02 02:57 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Experience is experience. It's ridiculous to say that some are real and some are not. Every emotion is brought about by something..
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Revelation]
#821411 - 08/16/02 03:06 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Never said that.
I don't equate emotion with happiness.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: SwondPooping]
#823544 - 08/17/02 11:56 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey,
I've definately felt pretty happy from shrooms coolllll just wait till your next harvest !
send INVITE INVITE MEEEEEEE hehehe / just joking
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
#823560 - 08/17/02 12:03 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fake happiness ? I've only felt real happiness from shrooms.......... Why do you think that it isn't ? I mean I guess if I had to pick a "fake happiness" substance I'd pick alcohol which seems to work for escapism for alot of people. I think shrooms actually make things alot clearer for myself. Of course you must realize our experiences need not ever be the same with any particular substance. While your experiences may be quite drab that may not be the case for everyone........
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There is no reason to believe that taking drugs is not a legitimate route to happiness. Drugs are simply a part of the environment which we interact with and for some of us interacting with drugs produces happiness, just like for others of us happiness comes from interacting with other people or a large meal.
When Swami pointed out that burned out junkies are not happy, that is equivalent to saying that burned out musicians are not happy, which in no way implies that real happiness is not experienced while playing music.
Furthermore, it is arbitrary to label a drug induced experience as fake just because it is mind altering. Many people experience 'real' happiness while playing sports, during which time their mind is being altered by the effects of adrenaline.
Personally I believe there is more to the mushroom experience that just the physiological, but even broken down to the most straitforward scientific analysis, the happiness experienced can't be discounted.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Swami]
#824925 - 08/18/02 05:02 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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You make a reasonable case yet in your opening remark, you seemingly contradict your entire argument with
Euphoria from snorting coke is one thing, happiness brought on by revelations while on psychedelic drugs are something else entirely.
What if you liked coke and hated mushrooms, would your opening remark then read differently? Seems you place the emphasis not on feelings like you say, but on revelations.
I guess I was trying to make a distinction between physical buzzes and mental revelations. I believe there is such a thing. Stupid question here; do I have to make all my posts Swami-proof? It seems like all you do is look for bits of arguments that aren't perfect, and then tell us that we are wrong and why, without contributing anything new.
I don't care what you say,
There is a discussion-stopper right there. That is paramount to saying that while we are here to exchange ideas, your ideas are meaningless to me.
Maybe I said this because as far as I'm concerned, there is no argument. I have experienced happiness on drugs. That is a fact. Somebody else's opinion on that particular fact makes it no less a fact. Nobody could possibly know that but me. That particular point is not up for debate in my books. Nobody's ideas are meaningless to me, but anyone who tells me that my happiness is fake is just plain wrong, and I don't think I'm being presumptuous or closed-minded when I say that.
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Edited by CyberChump (08/18/02 05:04 AM)
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#825017 - 08/18/02 06:30 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hate your lies.
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#825204 - 08/18/02 08:11 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#825214 - 08/18/02 08:14 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude, I was joking with you! LOL 
That is an old inside joke from a very good friend I used to tease a lot.
He was very serious and talked about deep important truths all the time. So just to tease him when he called on the phone and I heard his voice I would say that.
Didn't mean to confuse you.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#825300 - 08/18/02 09:41 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stupid question here; do I have to make all my posts Swami-proof?
No, that is not possible.
It seems like all you do...
Incorrect generalization...
..is look for bits of arguments that aren't perfect,
I care enough to take the time to try to follow your thinking. How can I understand if you make seemingly contradictory statements?
...and then tell us that we are wrong and why
Opposing statements themselves say that something is amiss, not the persona of Swami.
...without contributing anything new.
... and finally the (untrue) emotional response.
Maybe I said this because as far as I'm concerned, there is no argument. I have experienced happiness on drugs. That is a fact. Somebody else's opinion on that particular fact makes it no less a fact. Nobody could possibly know that but me. That particular point is not up for debate in my books.
Fine, except that you do not show equal respect to the cocaine user's experience.
Nobody's ideas are meaningless to me
except for the Swam's? (...without contributing anything new. )
but anyone who tells me that my happiness is fake is just plain wrong
Never said that.
and I don't think I'm being presumptuous or closed-minded when I say that.
No one ever does.
I like your Origami Avatar.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Swami]
#825647 - 08/18/02 12:33 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are one of the best posters I have ever had the pleasure of conversing with through the medium of the Internet.
This does not mean that I accept everything you say as truth nor does it imply that we see eye to eye on everything.
To see your clear cut reason that shines like diamonds at times and read the flow and rhythm of your posts is a great joy to me.
Off topic I know but there are certain times when I read a post of yours that I am overcome with contentment that I must speak of it.
Sometimes, you just bliss me out.
Hey, you think this phat spliff has anything to do with it? j/k (just this line)
Cheers and more,
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Swami]
#827298 - 08/19/02 04:02 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stupid question here; do I have to make all my posts Swami-proof?
No, that is not possible.
Agreed.
It seems like all you do...
Incorrect generalization...
Exaggeration maybe. I'm just telling you what it seems like to me.
..is look for bits of arguments that aren't perfect,
I care enough to take the time to try to follow your thinking. How can I understand if you make seemingly contradictory statements?
I said that because at the time I posted, you had done nothing in the whole thread except refute other's posts without offering anything else. I still don't see what is so contradictory, and it's interesting how nobody else pointed it out.
...and then tell us that we are wrong and why ...and then tell us that we are wrong and why
Opposing statements themselves say that something is amiss, not the persona of Swami.
To me the persona of Swami for the most part is take somebody's post, bold it, and then explain, line by line, why they are wrong.
...without contributing anything new.
... and finally the (untrue) emotional response.
At least up to my post, you did nothing in this thread except exactly what I said.
Maybe I said this because as far as I'm concerned, there is no argument. I have experienced happiness on drugs. That is a fact. Somebody else's opinion on that particular fact makes it no less a fact. Nobody could possibly know that but me. That particular point is not up for debate in my books.
Fine, except that you do not show equal respect to the cocaine user's experience.
You still don't get it. I was trying to make an example that would illustrate the distinction between the physical feel-good effects of a drug (cocaine euphoria) and the intellectual and emotional responses to the drugs physical effect (revelations on mushrooms). Do I need to get out my Respect-O-Meter and measure each phrase until I am certain that equal respect was given to each?
Nobody's ideas are meaningless to me
except for the Swam's? (...without contributing anything new. )
Neither your criticism nor your own ideas are meaningless to me. I wouldn't be responding if they were.
but anyone who tells me that my happiness is fake is just plain wrong
Never said that.
Never said you did say that.
and I don't think I'm being presumptuous or closed-minded when I say that.
No one ever does.
So that must mean that I am closed-minded to the possibility that my happiness is indeed imaginary and what I thought was happiness was actually an illusion; I wasn't really happy, I was actually sad but couldn't tell. Fine. Call me closed minded on that. I am proudly closed to the idea that anyone else can tell me what emotions I am or am not experiencing. Maybe it would be different if I was a nihilist.
I like your Origami Avatar.
So do I. You don't happen to know how to make one, do you?
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#827302 - 08/19/02 04:05 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Didn't mean to confuse you.
Telling inside jokes to people who aren't 'inside' is certain to confuse anyone. You had me confused for a good 30 hours. I like the line though, I'm gonna start using it randomly to confuse people. On the Shroomery and off.
Cheers!
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#827320 - 08/19/02 04:18 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I said that because at the time I posted, you had done nothing in the whole thread except refute other's posts without offering anything else.
So in order for an editor to edit a novel, he must submit a work of fiction first? And the editor of the editor's manuscript must first submit his own work and so on...
If a physicist proposes new mathematics to explain dark matter, before another physicist can point out a potential flaw in the theorist's calculations, he must first submit his own theory?
Sorry, that is not the way scientific or philosophical argument works.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#841603 - 08/25/02 01:40 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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To me the persona of Swami for the most part is take somebody's post, bold it, and then explain, line by line, why they are wrong.
This is very accurate.
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Ini]
#841793 - 08/25/02 06:24 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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That happens to me every time I sit down to dinner and look at my wife and children..............I feel very lucky!
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: Ripple]
#841844 - 08/25/02 07:16 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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IMO, the euphoric effects of marijuana and all psychedelics have to be separated from those of virtually all other drugs. Cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines and others bring about euphoria by directly stimulating the pleasure centers of the brain. I am yet to here of a "bad trip" brought on by coke or heroin (other than those caused by an overdose), but bad trips are relatively common on psychedelics. Psychedelics can open your mind to a new way of seeing the world, and this can be a scary experience for some, but intensely euphoric for others. Happiness on psychedelics is a real emotional response to the effects of the drug; happiness on coke, heroin, speed, etc. is forced by the chemical action of the drug itself.
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 Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: psilo25]
#841905 - 08/25/02 08:04 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coming out of a very difficult, very large dose of 'shroomies, experiancing the joy of just being yourself again, coupled with the lessons learned, now THAT is happiness!
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: GhostWalker]
#842153 - 08/25/02 11:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is in response to Swami in the "Drug Induce Mental Disorders" thread. You said that the paranoia is a result of negative side-effects of the drug itself. I'm going to assume that you're referring to marijuana specifically, correct me if I'm wrong in doing so. In my experience, marijuana has been capable of producing equal degrees of paranoia and euphoria (not at the same time of course). If marijuana-induced paranoia was a direct result of its negative side-effects, wouldn't it follow that marijuana would consistenly produce paranoia? As with psychelics, set and setting are very important for marijuana. I just happen to be more sensitive to this need with marijuana than I am for psychedelics. Marijuana can give me feelings of extreme happiness, as well as those of extreme paranoia. Based on this, I believe the euphoria and paranoia are emotional responses to the drugs effects. As with any drug, marijuana can severely distort your thought processes, and for me this distortion often leads to paranoia. Psychedelic distortion though, generally is euphoric for me.Hopefully this clears things up a bit, if not I aplogize for my incessant rambling... 
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Re: Has anyone felt overwhelming happiness? [Re: psilo25]
#842174 - 08/25/02 11:49 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, I was talking about MJ. I have witnessed paranoia in near-perfect settings where everyone seemed to be in a great mood and have seen it too frequently to think it is just amplified thoughts spinning out of control.
If marijuana-induced paranoia was a direct result of its negative side-effects, wouldn't it follow that marijuana would consistenly produce paranoia?
Not necessarily. For some it does consistently and they discontinue use rather quickly. For some it doesn't happen for years, then a full-blown panic attack will occur; and for many like yourself, it happens on occassion. This is even true of many prescription drugs - some side effects occur some of the time in some percentage of people.
As to why, well we are complex chemical factories and there are a thousand possible variables to be considered (mood being one of them).
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