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The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related.
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Why? :undecided:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Poid]
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Because many "deviant" behaviors are dangerous to individuals or to society. And most deviance is sexual.


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Poid]
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Because it involves more than one person usually??? AS in drug use generally only affects the drug user, but infidelity, incest, rape, sexual abuse and various other sexual taboos mainly affect more than one person.

Seems to me, there tends to be more "victims" in sexual behaviors.

dont know, good question?

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Doc_T]
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Deviance is subjective--if most deviance is sexual (which I highly doubt), it's because society considers those behaviors to be taboo.


In what ways are behaviors which are merely sexually deviant (e.g.- sexually deviant behaviors which aren't related to violence or aggression) dangerous to society and/or individuals?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Razzl3Frazzl3]
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Because it involves more than one person usually??? AS in drug use generally only affects the drug user, but infidelity, incest, rape, sexual abuse and various other sexual taboos mainly affect more than one person.

Seems to me, there tends to be more "victims" in sexual behaviors.

Let's just talk about sexually deviant behaviors which aren't related to aggressive, abusive, or non-consensual acts--obviously, it makes sense that thoese types of behaviors are looked down upon.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

Edited by Poid (04/14/12 06:36 AM)

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Poid]
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All sorts of dangers from pregnancy and jealousy to disease or injury.
I mean in terms of the history of the species, not just here and now.


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Razzl3Frazzl3]
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God bless this thread


I always get shit for talkin about my sexual escapades


i dont see the big deal

I think most people that are against being open about sex probably dont get any


Especially not in the ways that i have(im sure many have, but not most ppl)  Sex outdoors, sex wit ppl watchin, sex in the car in a parking lot, doin 69 with ME on top :what:  etc....

not too brag, just sayin if people would realize how much Sex actually encompasses they'd be out there trying as much different stuff(like myself) before their very short time on this earth is up

I love sex, more than most things in life


:boobs: :doggystyle:


Nothing like throat slammin my gal layin her face down n smashin her georgeous pussy till i jizz on her huge, perfect, silky smooth ass :awesomenod:


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Apostle]
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Because sex is the last drug they can't outlaw, so instead they lay down a big guilt trip.

Look back to the Greeks and Edo Japan, sex was far from the private issue it is now, much of the suppression of sexual activity seems to have started in the christian medivals.

Edited by Islandminded (03/03/10 08:52 AM)

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Doc_T]
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Somehow I don't think those are important reasons--why are some non-sexual dangerous behaviors (e.g.- participating in war), behaviors which cause other people to feel jealous (e.g.- buying expensive things), behaviors which make one prone to disease (e.g.- eating fast food, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes), and behaviors which potentially cause injury (e.g.- sky diving, participation in mainstream sports) not considered as taboo as sexual deviancy? Some of those things are even praised...


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Poid]
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Many of the things you mention are only available to a few special rich people. (Again, considering humanity as a whole.)
You have to have a lot of food to overeat, but anybody can have sex.

Taboos arise to protect a sociey. Look at cousin marriage; some places it's forbidden, other places practically required.


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said:
Taboos arise to protect a sociey.


But what is best for a society might not be best for you.  The 'they' seek protection and end up suppressing the individual.

Edited by Islandminded (03/03/10 09:01 AM)

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Islandminded]
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Islandminded said:
Doc_T said:
Taboos arise to protect a sociey.


But what is best for a society might not be best for you.  The 'they' seek protection and end up suppressing the individual.



:borat:



just like they protected us from the evil :happyweed: all these years


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Islandminded]
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Islandminded said:
Doc_T said:
Taboos arise to protect a sociey.


But what is best for a society might not be best for you.  The 'they' seek protection and end up suppressing the individual.


Needs of the species outweigh the needs of the individual.
You or I need other people more than they need us. Humans are gregarious.


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Doc_T]
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Many of the things you mention are only available to a few special rich people. (Again, considering humanity as a whole.)

What difference does it make? I could provide examples of each of those reasons you stated earlier (violence etc.) which are things that are readily available to poor people--my point is that there are much more deap-seated reasons for why sexual behavior is so stigmitized. Shit, even socially acceptable behavior has an element of stigma in it.

What I want to know is what those deap-seated reasons are.



You have to have a lot of food to overeat, but anybody can have sex.

Your point being?



Needs of the species outweigh the needs of the individual.

And why do you suppose that our species needs these sexual taboos?



You or I need other people more than they need us. Humans are gregarious.

Not sure what you're suggesting here--are you saying that since we are gregarious, then this means that we necessarily need to have sexual taboos? :confused:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said:
Islandminded said:
Doc_T said:
Taboos arise to protect a sociey.


But what is best for a society might not be best for you.  The 'they' seek protection and end up suppressing the individual.


Needs of the species outweigh the needs of the individual.
You or I need other people more than they need us. Humans are gregarious.


To be sure being is only fulfilled as being with others. 

But you raise some difficult questions, like what is the need of a species?  Speciation is an invention of biology.  We look around and see distinct species, but look back and it is more of a gene swarm, not these particular species, they are ever changing. How do you categorize an ever changing entity? Regardless, lets look at all organisms, this gene swarm, as one "species" of course we would like to look for some higher good, the 'what for', but unfortunately we don't know what that is, I know my own needs, but what we all need? That's the million dollar question.

That was a strange society to species switch anyway, back to society
But like I mentioned above, it seems in our misguided attempts to produce a good for all of society, which we have, IN OUR MINDS, as the 'they'.  We are trying to produce a good for a nonexistent entity.  We all have conceptions of the 'they' but it is never us.  So really our own needs and of course the needs of those immediately present are the only needs we can be somewhat confident in knowing.

Edited by Islandminded (03/03/10 09:37 AM)

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Islandminded]
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Islandminded said:
But you raise some difficult questions, like what is the need of a species?


The need of the species is to propagate the species. That's it.

Islandminded said:
That was a strange society to species switch anyway, back to society.


For our species, our society is a hugely important aspect. As much so as ants or termites or other social insects.
Not to say we are insects, but that you can't really talk about one person, only people.


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said:
Islandminded said:
But you raise some difficult questions, like what is the need of a species?


The need of the species is to propagate the species. That's it.



Dude I just destroyed the notion of species, the question is unanswerable.

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Poid]
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I noticed that sex outside of marriage is much more socially acceptable now than when I was growing up in the 60s or 70s.  Unmarried couples who lived together were referred to as "living in sin" or as "shacking up".  Homosexuality is much more socially accepted now as well.  Maybe other types of "deviant" sexual practices will become accepted in the future.  I understand why a homosexual wants to be accepted, but I don't see why people feel the need to have sex in public.

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: HippieChick8]
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The need of the species is to propagate the species. That's it.

How is that a need for the species? Not one individual biological organism needs to produce offspring--how, again, does the need of the species override the need of the individual?



For our species, our society is a hugely important aspect.

You mean for the survival of our species, right? Again, why is that of any importance to any individual human? How does that override any individual organism's personal desires?



I noticed that sex outside of marriage is much more socially acceptable now than when I was growing up in the 60s or 70s.  Unmarried couples who lived together were referred to as "living in sin" or as "shacking up".

We can blame Catholicism for that. :sisterwendy: 



Homosexuality is much more socially accepted now as well.  Maybe other types of "deviant" sexual practices will become accepted in the future.  I understand why a homosexual wants to be accepted, but I don't see why people feel the need to have sex in public.

Nobody needs to have sex, but people enjoy doing it in public because it's exhilarating.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: HippieChick8]
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Quote:
but I don't see why people feel the need to have sex in public.


How's that? I mean, what's there not to understand? This is like saying that you don't understand why people like ice cream.
People want to have sex in public because they like it. :shrug:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Butt, butt, what about being considerate of others and only having sex in the missionary position with the blinds drawn, in the dark, with your eyes closed and only on the weekends but never on Sunday?:mad2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Icelander]
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For some weird, unexplainable reason, I think it's more fun when you can get caught. :yesnod:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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As in caught by the California Chapter of the Hells Angles?:whoa:

You go girl.:grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Icelander]
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Sex is the most stigmatized because I guess because its the ultimate experience so we make it into a real big deal of how it should or should not be done.


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: Poid]
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i think sexual urges can sometimes make people do things they'd otherwise find weird or whatever

out of guilt for one's own sexual activities (or secret desires), i think people might demonize those who are more upfront about it

also the whole "i'm purer than you" attitude might have an impact
(though throughout history those claiming purity while demonizing others have often themselves been quite strange - like that strongly "anti-gay" televangelist who would secretly smoke meth and have gay sex)

i think stigmatizing anything external is simply a reflection of the internal then - otherwise why would the person care at all?


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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: deff]
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i think sexual urges can sometimes make people do things they'd otherwise find weird or whatever

out of guilt for one's own sexual activities (or secret desires), i think people might demonize those who are more upfront about it

So basically, are you suggesting that sexual taboos exist in order to keep people from feeling embarassed about their true natures?


Humans...:picard:



also the whole "i'm purer than you" attitude might have an impact
(though throughout history those claiming purity while demonizing others have often themselves been quite strange - like that strongly "anti-gay" televangelist who would secretly smoke meth and have gay sex)

Most everyone seems to have this "I'm purer/better than you" attitude towards people who are not like them.


:picard:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The most stigmatized behaviors seem to be sexual, or sexually related. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
For some weird, unexplainable reason, I think it's more fun when you can get caught. :yesnod:


adrenaline + natural endorphins = sexcellence


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