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 Re: why is paedophilia so common?  [Re: Xanthas]
#5992476 - 08/24/06 12:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Why does an increase in sex hormone automatically make one better able to handle sex? "
maybe something to do with the increase in sex hormone...
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Xanthas
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: insectvhore]
#5992787 - 08/24/06 02:28 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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insectvhore said:
maybe something to do with the increase in sex hormone...
Umm... What? A sex hormone is something that causes sexual changes in the body, not a greater ability to handle sexual situations.
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: Xanthas]
#5992827 - 08/24/06 02:39 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the main problem with a pre-pubescent child having a sexual relationship with an older partner is that it often seems to be coerced, manipulative, etc. Aside from simply experimenting with their body, something they do not need an older partner for, does a pre-pubescent child have any motivation to have sex? It seems to me that this sort of behavior is simply taking advantage of a child, who can probably not defend himself/herself physically or emotionally, and not an mutual relationship. Being taken advantage of as child like this could bloom into personal/psychological problems later on in life.
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I think the main problem with a pre-pubescent child having a sexual relationship with an older partner is that it often seems to be coerced, manipulative, etc.
Ahh, but I challenge this notion. I propose that most people are good, and that simply having pedophilic attractions does not change it. I also propose that more people care about children/their development, and having pedophilic attractions does not change that. I also propose that a more open atmosphere about such adult/child relationships would help to weed out the harmful from the neutral/positive relationships.
Additionally, I lack the confidence some here seem to have that a child who undergoes puberty magically has more control/less potential for malicious manipulation then one young enough to not have undergone that process.
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Aside from simply experimenting with their body, something they do not need an older partner for, does a pre-pubescent child have any motivation to have sex?
Yes indeedy. I was once, and met, and can still observe, if I cared to, just quite how horny the little munchkins can be, away from adult eyes.
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It seems to me that this sort of behavior is simply taking advantage of a child, who can probably not defend himself/herself physically or emotionally, and not an mutual relationship. Being taken advantage of as child like this could bloom into personal/psychological problems later on in life.
Quite possible, yet I believe that there will be even lower rates of harmful sexual relationships if it wasn't stigmatized. A parent naturally has a position of power and potential for abuse of a child, yet most parents are kind and loving, doing their best.
There is a huge industry of information on raising kids. It seems natural that there would be a somewhat smaller sector that would give advice/present studies on how adults can, if they so choose, maximize potential benefit/minimize potential harm to a child within such a relationship, were such information not looked upon as an accessory to evil.
Edit: Hmm... Apparently I cause enough dissonance with sound enough arguments, that, unable to be refute logically, some just give me horrible ratings.
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Edited by Xanthas (08/24/06 05:29 PM)
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: Xanthas]  1
#5993341 - 08/24/06 05:43 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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this reminds me of the end of the south park episode about NAMBLA. where the NAMBLA guy starts trying to argue and reason why it should be ok to love young boys and fuckem. then stan interrupts and is like "dude you want to fuck kids, not cool".
basically im saying no matter what kind of argument you are coming up with.. an adult fucking a kid is WRONG. it almost always screws up the kid forever.
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Xanthas
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basically im saying no matter what kind of argument you are coming up with.. an adult fucking a kid is WRONG. it almost always screws up the kid forever.
The evidence is against you. Reason is against you. You have only a deeply rooted cultural taboo. Look at my above links/posts.
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ill tell ya where pedophilia comes from. look at the people youve seen who have been pedo. they are almost all really ugly or really "nerdy" looking...people who probably dont meet many women. i dont think ive ever seen a good looking, brad pitt pretty boy who is busted for pedo. there are lots of guys who just cant get laid, EVER. there are men who just couldnt get a woman if they tried. there are tons of fat guys, nerd, etc.. who are virgins well into their 30s, 40s, maybe their whole lives. these people are the ones you see when they bust pedos. its because getting women their own age isnt an option. they dont have the looks or social skills to find a woman to act out sexually with. so they seek out kids because they can control them, dominate them. trick them. they just want someone to be sexual with.
this is why i think you rarely see woman pedos. because just about any woman no matter how gross can get laid of find a guy. they dont have the problems ugly guys do...just cuz any chick can find someone horny enough to stick her.
think about this how many times have u heard someone say "he looks like a pedophile" their definently is a type.
also did u know pedos are less common in the african american community??
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ill tell ya where pedophilia comes from. look at the people youve seen who have been pedo. they are almost all really ugly or really "nerdy" looking...people who probably dont meet many women. i dont think ive ever seen a good looking, brad pitt pretty boy who is busted for pedo. there are lots of guys who just cant get laid, EVER. there are men who just couldnt get a woman if they tried. there are tons of fat guys, nerd, etc.. who are virgins well into their 30s, 40s, maybe their whole lives. these people are the ones you see when they bust pedos. its because getting women their own age isnt an option. they dont have the looks or social skills to find a woman to act out sexually with. so they seek out kids because they can control them, dominate them. trick them. they just want someone to be sexual with.
this is why i think you rarely see woman pedos. because just about any woman no matter how gross can get laid of find a guy. they dont have the problems ugly guys do...just cuz any chick can find someone horny enough to stick her.
think about this how many times have u heard someone say "he looks like a pedophile" their definently is a type.
also did u know pedos are less common in the african american community??
That pretty much sums it up man. It's all about dominating kids because they can't even get a fatty to fuck them. They're pathetic and wastes of space. These people should be castrated and stuck in a hole.
Xanth - How would you feel about a grown man having sex or molesting your 9 year old daughter? (assuming you had kids, hopefully you do not)
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: KingOftheThing] 1
#5993424 - 08/24/06 06:02 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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"they seek out kids because they can control them, dominate them. trick them."
This bears itself out clinically, but it is only a partial picture. Object choice is what is being called into question and even unattractive males can purchase sex from prostitutes. Unavailability of a sexual partner in the case of heterosexual males does not result in pedophilia so the bulk of your 'opinion' is erroneous.
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Edit: Someone got to it first.
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Edited by Xanthas (08/24/06 06:07 PM)
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yeah but dude some guys dont wanna pay for it...i think they go after kids cuz they're almost fooling themselves into thinking the kid wants it... ya know its all a mental thing. believe me, only ulgy guys or really nerdy dude pedo out
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Xanth - How would you feel about a grown man having sex or molesting your 9 year old daughter? (assuming you had kids, hopefully you do not)
Firstly, I'm nowhere near old enough to consider having kids.
Secondly, I'd hate if anyone molested my daughter, assuming I had one. However, if they both wanted to have sex, my daughter was knowledgeable about her rights within that relationship, he was free of disease and whatnot, I doubt I'd have a problem.
(In case you haven't noticed, I really, really don't look at sex the same way others do)
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yeah but dude some guys dont wanna pay for it...i think they go after kids cuz they're almost fooling themselves into thinking the kid wants it... ya know its all a mental thing. believe me, only ulgy guys or really nerdy dude pedo out
Misconception based on popular media image. Noticed any of the (fairly attractive) women in the news semi-recently that were accused of having sex with young boys? Think how many more we've never heard of.
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5993460 - 08/24/06 06:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know the facts of the matter but ley's say there was some pedophile tensions within the family. I'm not judging anyone but there could have been a jealousy that led to that death. What do you think?
I think you simply do not know the facts of the matter. 
You are aware that they found the man who expressed that he committed the ("accidental") murder in Thailand, right? He just arrived back in the States and is awaiting trial. It was her school teacher. 
   
Peace. 
Stop smirking. There is no way in hell he did that murder. He had never been over to the house and the person who killed JonBennet had to have EXTENSIVE knowledge of the floor plan of that house.
For example, in the basement there was a hidden light switch. It has been wallpapered to match the walls. How did he know where to find it if he had never been down there?
It seems to me that the police just want someone to blame. I still believe it was her parents.
Why? I'll give you one reason: the handwriting analysis on the ransom note matched Mrs. Ramsey's handwriting done with her left hand.
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: Xanthas]
#5993461 - 08/24/06 06:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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wait if you have a 9yr old girl and a 40 yr old guy who is disease free wants to fuck her...and your daughter says yes, you're ok with a guy fucking a 9yr old?
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Xanthas
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wait if you have a 9yr old girl and a 40 yr old guy who is disease free wants to fuck her...and your daughter says yes, you're ok with a guy fucking a 9yr old?
I'd allow/disallow it depending on the guy in question/laws at the time/whatever the circumstances happen to be. But I wouldn't immediately bar it from happening.
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: Lily_Morgan]
#5993474 - 08/24/06 06:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some people believe the Ramsey's killed her in a Satanic ritual (mostly Illuminati conspiracists)
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: Xanthas]
#5993482 - 08/24/06 06:20 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Xanthas said:
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KingOftheThing said:
wait if you have a 9yr old girl and a 40 yr old guy who is disease free wants to fuck her...and your daughter says yes, you're ok with a guy fucking a 9yr old?
I'd allow/disallow it depending on the guy in question/laws at the time/whatever the circumstanced happen to be. But I wouldn't immediately bar it from happening.
edited so I don't get banned..
I'll let the smileys talk for me:
Please don't have any kids.
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Re: why is paedophilia so common? [Re: Booby]
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Forum Rules: Philosophy & Spirituality
#4526664 - 08/12/05 02:06 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Welcome to the Philosophy & Spirituality Forum
This forum is for the open discussion of a wide range of philosophical topics that often enough also relate to our spirituality. From aesthetics to epistemology, metaphysics to ethics and more. The rules for posting in this forum are simple and few:
1) No flaming. If you can't state your case or refute someone else's case without calling him/her "stupid" or an "idiot" don't bother posting here. This forum is for intelligent discussion, not for belittling someone who holds differing opinions. This rule will be strictly enforced. If you have been warned already you will receive a temporary ban, if you continue to flame you will be banned permanently. Choose your words wisely or suffer the consequences.
2) Although not always possible, when quoting a source please provide a link.
You are free to present pretty much anything of a philosophical nature you want for consideration - you can even espouse ideas most people would find ludicrous or repugnant. What you can't do is attack the person making the ludicrous or repugnant statements. You can bring to bear all your rhetorical skills and articulate arguments in an attempt to expose the idea under discussion as ludicrous, repugnant or whatever - as a matter of fact you are encouraged to do so - but the acceptable method is to direct all your weaponry at the idea being presented, not at the one presenting the idea.
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I already cleaned up my previous post.
Barring admitted pedophiles from having kids is a good argument in my honest opinion.
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