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 is homosexual behavior spiritual?   1
#5833275 - 07/07/06 08:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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didn't GOD say they where sinners?
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel] 1
#5833343 - 07/07/06 09:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is nothing wrong with homosexual behavior, and I am "GOD", so let's move on and cease the meaningless trolling. 
   
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god] 1
#5833365 - 07/07/06 09:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree
BUT actually I don't,
some of the basic rights they are denied
and I don't agree w/ looking the other way.
Edited by Schwammel (07/07/06 09:27 PM)
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel] 1
#5833445 - 07/07/06 09:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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id say any sexual behavior is spiritual. just depends what spirit
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: kotik] 1
#5833966 - 07/08/06 12:39 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Homosexuality
it embraces a culture that is appealing to thoughs who see it, it is not just genetic, IMO if its gentic then tolerence is necessary, if its a born culture, then the practice of reversing the sex roles would naturally be shuned,
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty] 1
#5834102 - 07/08/06 01:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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...And in my opinion you should go shun yourself, capliberty.
It doesn't matter what the supposed 'cause' of homosexuality is, it's an expression of love! 
What, you've got some beef with love? You think God has some beef with love? He said he didn't, in the post right below Schwammel's, no less. I particularly liked what Kotik had to say on the matter, and completely failed to understand Schwammel's enigmatic "BUT actually I don't, some of the basic rights they are denied
and I don't agree w/ looking the other way."
You mean you disapprove of the way some basic rights are withheld from gay folks on account of the gender of their lover? How does that nullify the spiritual aspect of their love? And who says God gets a monopoly on all spiritual behavior, anyhow? Oh, that's right, God does. How silly of me to forget... 
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel] 1
#5834324 - 07/08/06 04:08 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont believe it is as i see it as being due to an imbalance of ying and yang.
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It doesn't matter what the supposed 'cause' of homosexuality is, it's an expression of love!
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love is not the same as sexual attraction. i love my mother but i don't express my love for her through sex.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: porcupine] 1
#5834339 - 07/08/06 04:22 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you actually trying to say that only the sexual attraction is present in a gay relationship, not the love? Have you actually seen a gay couple interact? As with any couple, when a gay couple are in love, it's obvious to the casual observer, and is no less of a heart-warming and beautiful thing.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix] 1
#5834461 - 07/08/06 08:05 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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...And in my opinion you should go shun yourself, capliberty.
It doesn't matter what the supposed 'cause' of homosexuality is, it's an expression of love!
What, you've got some beef with love? You think God has some beef with love? He said he didn't, in the post right below Schwammel's, no less. I particularly liked what Kotik had to say on the matter, and completely failed to understand Schwammel's enigmatic "BUT actually I don't, some of the basic rights they are denied
and I don't agree w/ looking the other way."
You mean you disapprove of the way some basic rights are withheld from gay folks on account of the gender of their lover? How does that nullify the spiritual aspect of their love? And who says God gets a monopoly on all spiritual behavior, anyhow? Oh, that's right, God does. How silly of me to forget...
Why are you feeling the love of homosexuality so much, is it not because you are one, believe me I have nothing against gays, they can be gay as want to be, but why also they tryin to go after straight people, to me the culture is also promotional in electing certain straight people into becoming gay, If I had friend who turned gay, I just wouldn't accept his decesion, to me I've seen the sucker move before, just these weak ass retards that has nothing else to do but turn gay,
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty] 1
#5834474 - 07/08/06 08:18 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, your charmingly blunt little supposition is, in fact, not true, but thanks for trying. I'm not sure what to make of the rest of your post, really. I suspect you were making broad derogatory statements based out of a place of ignorance and fear. I mean "If I had friend who turned gay, I just wouldn't accept his decesion"? Well, that's okay, (s)he wouldn't need you to accept his/her sexual preference, though if you were seriously his or her friend you might want to at least accord them that much respect.
"to me I've seen the sucker move before, just these weak ass retards that has nothing else to do but turn gay, "
I just plain can't decipher that. Are you certain you're not illiterate?
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix] 1
#5834486 - 07/08/06 08:29 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Panoramix said:
"to me I've seen the sucker move before, just these weak ass retards that has nothing else to do but turn gay, "
I just plain can't decipher that. Are you certain you're not illiterate?
 I think you get five shrooms for that...
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: JacquesCousteau] 1
#5834501 - 07/08/06 08:47 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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No seriously, you can't decipher it because I've seen a form gay drama before, where people who were not planning on being gay, it was not their decision, in fact they felt ashamed of it, because it had to do with poverty, and being seduced through drugs, It was normal hedro kids that were subjugated inadvertently and tormented by system punishment, Being gay can come in many different forms, One in which "YOU" have no choice,
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty] 1
#5834512 - 07/08/06 08:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Then that's called being abused, not being gay. Unless he stuck with it and had some better luck down the line or something.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix] 1
#5834514 - 07/08/06 08:58 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i have a friend who's brother was molested by a catholic priest,
the priest had aids and they both died. my friend is a minister and he hates homosexual behavior...some of his sermons are shocking and everybody in his little mission also hate these people.
my beef is with the catholic church and the people that condone this
priestly behavior
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel] 1
#5834525 - 07/08/06 09:08 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think you'll find many people who condone child abuse, particularly when performed by clergymen, except perhaps amongst child-abusers. Whereas the catholic church is eager to hush it up, and silence does implicitly give consent, I don't think their official position is one of condoning their priests actions. They just don't want it to damage the church, so they make big out-of-court settlements rather than let the priests be tried in a court of law.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix] 1
#5834551 - 07/08/06 09:23 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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so is homosexual behavior spiritual? the only argument so far is that it is because its "love"...
but isn't the emotion the pedophile is expressing 'love' too
and can we wherefore condone either behavior based on love?
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel] 1
#5834562 - 07/08/06 09:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Umm nope.
Ya see, pedophilia is, I would argue, lust on the part of the pedophiliac and being victimized on the part of the innocent victim of rape. Very few pedophiliacs make long-term plans with their victims, though, because the victims lose their appeal as they age.
"the only argument so far is that it is because its "love"..."
And how is love being a good and natural thing an invalid argument to support the moral and spiritual 'rightness' of homosexuality? I believe I'm not the first to say "All you need is love."  
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix] 1
#5834574 - 07/08/06 09:44 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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here's what Tina had to say abt it...
Ive been taking on a new direction
And I have to say
Ive been thinking bout my own protection
It scares me to feel this way
Chorus
Whats love got to do got to do with it
Whats love but a sweet old fashioned notion
Whats love got to do got to do with it
Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel] 1
#5834589 - 07/08/06 09:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Schwammel said:
my beef is with the catholic church and the people that condone this
priestly behavior
Well, stop expressing that you have this beef with them, go find them, and share your beef with them... if they truly are homosexual, I'm sure they won't have a problem with it... 
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix] 1
#5834591 - 07/08/06 09:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Panoramix said:
Unless he stuck with it...
No need to be so graphic about it... 
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5834596 - 07/08/06 09:54 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay, your point there is 'don't quote Beatles at me like it's some kind of effective argument' and I can certainly see what you're saying. It's a song lyric, not a well-reasoned rebuttal (or better yet, a verse from Corinthians!).
My argument for homosexual behavior being a spiritual endevour falls back to what Kotik said, sex is sex and a spiritually binding and connecting and strengthening experience (at least it is if yer doing it right) on account of the fact that the people engaged in the activity find it to be, and you really don't have the authority to tell them what's *actually* going on inside their heads. On account of your not being them and all, y'know?
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
#5834613 - 07/08/06 10:08 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i agree...The term homosexual can be used to describe individuals as well as cultures and intolerance
so maybe the original question was stated incorrectly, lets try it this way "do gay people have a spritual life?"
and then I would argue 'yes' as much as you or I
but then the right side of my brain says 'ya' but so did hitler.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5834617 - 07/08/06 10:11 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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And you probably do too, which is the most disturbing notion of them all! 
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5834629 - 07/08/06 10:23 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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"do gay people have a spritual life?" --Schwammel
That's a question, alright. I think it can be most easily answered by taking the adjective 'gay' out of there. Now pose the question again. The answer's the same both times, and will be for pretty much any adjective you may care to substitute the word gay with. Do tall people have a spiritual life? Do chinese people have a spiritual life? The possible exception might be do dead people have a spiritual life, but if you answered yes for any of them, you pretty much had to answer yes for all of them. Y'see how that works? It's on account of their all being people.
"The term homosexual can be used to describe individuals as well as cultures and intolerance" --Schwammel
That's neat, I've never even heard it being associated with intolerance before. With tolerance, sure. More than that, with acceptance and celebration of difference, but never intolerance. I guess it depends on your experiences...
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5834630 - 07/08/06 10:24 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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very funny
and lets add this
"The term homosexual can be used to describe individuals as well as cultures and intolerance" --Schwammel
That's neat, I've never even heard it being associated with intolerance before. With tolerance, sure. More than that, with acceptance and celebration of difference, but never intolerance. I guess it depends on your experiences...
lets change the last word to "perspective..." and now I can live with that
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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I was thinking along the lines of 'you'd have to have had a really unpleasant experience at some point to come away with the impression that millions of folks are intolerant just because they don't bed members of the opposite sex' with that statement.
And what's your perspective a by-product of if not your experiences in life? See, we didn't even need to change that last word to perspective, time does that for us.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
#5834721 - 07/08/06 11:13 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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homosexuality
can be induced to a group of thoughs not planning on this course of life style, yes abuse maybe a factor, but what really constitutes abuse, where is the definitive line in telling someone it was all in fun games, no harms done, to heah that person violated me, or manipulated me, homosexuality can be used as a manipulation ploy, and sense this hedro, had his beliefs changed around, he becomes open to the ideas of being gay, in fact he doesn't know or is even aware of the seduction process being applied to him, but in all consequence that hindsight will tell him that he made a somewhat delusional choice, that reprocutions of its actions will takes its course, that their was no real act of sexual abuse other than consented naive seduction of the youth to make their own choices
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5834839 - 07/08/06 11:47 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Worst thread ever.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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"consented naive seduction of the youth" constitutes sexual abuse, though. So indeed there were real acts of sexual abuse, particularly if this individual was seduced through use of drugs and psychological manipulation. Sexual abuse doesn't just mean rape, y'know. It particularly refers to predatory sexual behaviour of any sort.
"homosexuality can be used as a manipulation ploy..." So can heterosexuality, just ask anyone who's ever been led on or played. So, in fact, can false nose-and-mustaches with plastic glasses attached, though that's less of an emotional and sexual deception and more of a 'Gotcha!' type of thing. e.g.
 that's you?! I totally didn't recognize you with those spiff-ass spy glasses you're sporting!
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5834881 - 07/08/06 11:57 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey, I got five shrooms from it, I'm not about to knock it...
(but yeah, I see your point)
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#5835123 - 07/08/06 01:18 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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can be induced to a group of thoughs not planning on this course of life style
If this were so, gays could be induced to be straight by the same method.
just these weak ass retards that has nothing else to do but turn gay
Wow, looks to me that straight bigots are the ones lacking spirituality.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Diploid]
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not according to the grand poop pa...
Pope Decries Gay Marriage In Spain
wonder why he doesn't do something abt the going ons
at the vatican where you got the men dressed up as women
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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can be induced to a group of thoughs not planning on this course of life style
If this were so, gays could be induced to be straight by the same method.
they could be induced by straight people to turn back straight, but thats not what straight peoples agendas are, gays want more gays, because their the minority, every minor wants to become its major, I think the gay revolution is going to play a more a factor, now that everybody accepts being open minded to the idea, being idealistic and seeing true reality of a situation are two different things, accepting gay on any front promotes greater power towards that cause
you can call what I said the worst post ever but I doubt you've experienced the situation that I'm talking about, what I said spoke true to when I directly perceived reality
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5836177 - 07/08/06 05:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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The problem with this statement is it includes to broad a spectrum of human behavior and fealings.
Wether or not love is involved in a homosexual relationship is as much a matter of the individual relationship as is a heterosexual one.
The question can't be answered in such a general way because some sexual encounters are spiritual and some are not no matter what they involve.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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so is homosexual behavior spiritual? the only argument so far is that it is because its "love"...
but isn't the emotion the pedophile is expressing 'love' too
lust (in any form) is very different from love. if the pedophile felt love for the child it tries to have intercouse wizh, would he really do it?
I don't think so, love transcends lust.
As for the spiritual value in homosexual behavior, why would it in any way be different than in heterosexual behavior?
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gays want more gays
I think I see your problem.
Do you believe that being gay is a deliberate choice or do you believe that gay people can't help but be gay any more than straight people can help being straight?
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Diploid]
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No, no, it's all about being indoctrinated! That's why so many men are homophobic. Just ask Jerry Seinfeld:
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What causes homophobia? What is it that makes a heterosexual man worry? I think it's because men know that deep down we have weak sales resistance. We're constantly buying shoes that hurt us, pants that don't fit right.
Men think, "Obviously I can be talked into anything. What if I accidentally wander into some sort of homosexual store, thinking it's a shoe store, and the salesman goes, 'Just hold this guy's hand, walk around the store a little bit, see how you feel. No obligation, no pressure, just try it. Would you like to see him in a sandal?'"
Homosexual "behavior" is no more or less spiritual than heterosexual "behavior." Get real, folks. Anyone who is still hung up on this shit needs therapy, pronto. (And that includes the Pope and the President.  )
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5837342 - 07/08/06 11:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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didn't GOD say they where sinners?
a belief system in which there is a metaphysical moral reality where behaviors are wrong and sinful in a cosmic sense is hallucinatory. spirituality is an extension of nature, its ripening. it's like a plague that has been passed down through the tribe over the ages, repressing man's natural impulses and instincts as to emulate the tribe's ideal adult personality. the betrayal of our natural self expression is the root of our social pathologies. there is no original sin - we are not rapist, child-beating, war-mongers depicted daily in newspapers by nature. we have all been crippled in different ways by betraying our true selves to whitening process of the hive. the guilt begots muscular tension which begots rage which furthers our armoring by holding all the rage in... creating psychosomatic illnesses and sociopaths.
and of course everybody is so bloody minded... blaming one another for the state of affairs when nobody is to blame... we homosexuals are often a target (yes, i'm a gay male - that's me in the icon as of moments ago) the hive operates has prepared us our pre-defined sexual roles and rules, yet nature is far too diverse to accomodate the hive. hell, there are more than to sexes, people! biologists are well aware of that as well as gender preferences throughout the animal kingdom. And even heterosexuals have plenty of room for variance when it comes to their true sexual profile, their own unique heart throbs for shapes, sizes, you-name-it, to feign interest in whatever type of mate is in fashion... and the people who use sex like a sedative... repetive... too jaded with their karma to tap into that overflowin' keg of Orgone....
let me know if any of this rings true
blessings/CJ
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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#5838040 - 07/09/06 08:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pope Benedict XVI praised marriage between a man and a woman as part of God's "loving plan," defending the traditional family Sunday at a Mass in Spain attended by hundreds of thousands. ...
any here still defending the "church"?
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#5838060 - 07/09/06 08:24 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Reich!  It's great to hear from someone else who is familiar with his work.
For anyone who isn't, or those who want to know more, here's a quick link to a book by two of his students:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/selfheal/reichian2.htm
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#5838087 - 07/09/06 08:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree 100% with your post Cosmic! I am full of rage and suffer from psychosomatic illness and at times I am sad to say quite sociopathic. Do you have any suggestions as to how I could improve myself?
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Andy21]
#5838094 - 07/09/06 08:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You could try not being those things.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838110 - 07/09/06 09:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nah, trying to "not be" something is highly ineffective. You need to decide to do something different than what you have been doing.
Andy21, I highly recommend reading Wilhelm Reich, or any of his students. Try the link I posted & here is another:
http://www.orgonomy.org/
He addressed psychological issues through body/energy work, with amazing results. His work was highly controversial, and he was arrested, censored, banned & shunned. (Almost always a sign that you're onto something.  )
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Psychic health depends on orgastic potency, that is, on the capacity for surrender in the acme of sexual excitation in the natural sexual act. Its' basis is the unneurotic character attitude of capacity for love. Mental illness is a result of a disturbance in the natural capacity for love.
In the case of orgastic impotence, from which a vast majority of humans are suffering, biological energy is dammed up, thus becoming the source of all kinds of irrational behavior.
The cure of psychic disturbances requires in the first place the establishment of the natural capacity for love. It depends as much upon social as upon psychic conditions . . .
The vital energies, under natural conditions, regulate themselves spontaneously, without compulsive duty or compulsive morality. The latter are a sure indication of the existence of antisocial tendencies. Antisocial behavior springs from secondary drives which owe their existence to the suppression of natural sexuality.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838130 - 07/09/06 09:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Veritas said:
Nah, trying to "not be" something is highly ineffective. You need to decide to do something different than what you have been doing.
Indeed. The state of being "something" has mechanisms that produce that state. In order to be "something else", one simply changes those mechanisms, which, of course, is usually thoughts....
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838174 - 07/09/06 09:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, but a focus on not thinking what you have been thinking is less effective than thinking something else. 
It may seem like I'm being picky about this, but when you direct your desire for change (and thus your personal power) towards stopping what you do not want, you reinforce and identify with the primacy of that behavior.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838214 - 07/09/06 10:11 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, but a focus on not thinking what you have been thinking is less effective than thinking something else.
I know; that is what I am saying too.
My first reply was simply humorous, or, at least, was intended to be.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838222 - 07/09/06 10:16 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry, guess my coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Use more emoticons, please.
 
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838233 - 07/09/06 10:21 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Basilides]
#5838239 - 07/09/06 10:23 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now, that's an enigmatic emoticon. Are you saying that I am pretty but dumb, much like his character in "Zoolander"? Or is this a more general "this thread is about homosexuality" message?
Your non-verbals are confusing. 
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838243 - 07/09/06 10:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was thinking about starting to drink coffee, but I don't know if I want to.
I have recently begun being more organized, planning ahead and stuff, and the thought of sitting at my table in the morning, before work, sipping on coffee, planning out what I will need to accomplish that day, ready to start a new day, is an intriguing one... I don't really need a stimulant to get me up and moving, but it seems as though doing so would really activate me... plus Skorpivo is an advocate of the occasional coffee... certainly wouldn't like to get addicted to it...
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838245 - 07/09/06 10:27 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm addicted and I'm OK with that. I keep it to one cup of GOOD coffee per day, and I have a little routine/ritual about preparing it.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838246 - 07/09/06 10:28 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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just a random use of emoticons
        
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838248 - 07/09/06 10:28 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh, and also the thought of sitting at the table, sipping coffee, going over the weekly department recap, checking out the numbers and everything... 'course, I have to smuggle that stuff home in order to do that, policy is to not "work off the clock", but its not like I get a chance to sit down and review that stuff at work.
I just wish I could access our computer systems at home... I'd be unstoppable then. 
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Basilides]
#5838252 - 07/09/06 10:30 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fireworks, you should use this emoticon in your sign off
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838257 - 07/09/06 10:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm addicted and I'm OK with that. I keep it to one cup of GOOD coffee per day, and I have a little routine/ritual about preparing it.
See, that's what intrigues me about it, and it'd definitely be the one GOOD cup of coffee in the morning thing for me as well. Coffee seems as though it would be excellent for sitting at the table, reviewing numbers and planning stuff!
Trouble is, I can't stand the taste, but there is always milk and cream and sugar and acid and all kinds of stuff to add to it. We have a coffee maker that my dad bought for him to use while he was here (once a year) two Christmas's ago, and we got some Folgers Hazelnut coffee, so hhhm.... perhaps I should give it a go and start painting my kitchen...
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838259 - 07/09/06 10:32 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, maybe you'd be able to help that struggling department store on its' way to success!
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Basilides]
#5838261 - 07/09/06 10:32 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fireworks, you should use this emoticon in your sign off
That's all right, but if you happened to have one of The Dude, I might oblige.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838268 - 07/09/06 10:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ewwwww...flavored Folgers is crap! 
No, no, no, you must buy the bulk beans, grind them in small amounts just before you make your coffee, and use one of the one-cup filter holder deals with unbleached filters.
BTW, best coffee EVAR:
http://www.greenmountaincoffee.com/
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838289 - 07/09/06 10:39 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well Jesus fucking Christ, I'm not a professional or anything.
In fact, I just came to ask how much tablespoons of coffee to add for 4 cups of water...
And, yes, the concept of grinding the beans right beforehand and everything like that is one that intrigues me... in fact, I already have the coffee bean grinder, just need to clean all of that brown rice flour out of it....
Seriously, though, how much? This is my first time.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838299 - 07/09/06 10:42 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838310 - 07/09/06 10:45 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Answered my own question by actually reading further in that article...
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Edited by fireworks_god (07/09/06 10:53 AM)
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838334 - 07/09/06 10:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Meh, just tossed some amount in there. At least I have unbleached filters... the last I knew, we didn't have any, and was thinking I'd have to use a paper towel...
I'm such a newb. 
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838340 - 07/09/06 10:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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And finally, beware "city roast" and flavored coffees. These are often made of the cheap stuff shoveled off the back of a truck and roasted a bit darker or flavored artificially to cover up the smell of diesel fumes that have infused the beans during transit.
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838345 - 07/09/06 10:53 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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MMMMM...Folgers!
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838359 - 07/09/06 10:57 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would you recommend a Senseo?
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5838365 - 07/09/06 10:59 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: is coffee spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838382 - 07/09/06 11:03 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just asking, because I see them at Wal*Mart, and Wal*Mart is the only life I experience...
My coffee is done. At least the hazelnut and diesel smell nice. I'm afraid for my life, as far as drinking it is concerned.... Into the abyss, I guess!
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About ready to dose...
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Yep, there's nothin' like the smell of hazelnut and diesel in the morning.
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Re: is coffee spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838395 - 07/09/06 11:05 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ewwwww....... nasty!
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Toldja.
Just noticed you changed the "re:" line.
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Re: is coffee spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838416 - 07/09/06 11:11 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Truly horrific stuff, going to dump it out right now, and go cook myself some bratwurst and sauerkraut!
At first this talk of coffee was ensuring that this thread was trending away from "Worst thread ever!", but now that my stomach has been poisoned, the proclamation stands. 
Should have added in the acid.
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Your stomach will produce plenty of acid after that beverage.
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Re: is painting spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838447 - 07/09/06 11:20 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I feel like painting my kitchen, but I don't feel like moving the stove and the frigidaire out in order to paint behind them... should I just skip that step?
You should see my living room, I'll upload pictures once we get the camera developed. We painted it a nice cream color as a base, and then I went back over it with a greyish-blue, utilizing a texture sponge. Most satisfying ambience.
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Hey, it's your kitchen.  The appliances are likely to stay where they are, so only you will know that you didn't paint behind them.
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Re: is painting spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5838846 - 07/09/06 01:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suspect I'll be in the minority with this assertion, but coffee beans are the turds of the devil. What it sounds like you're looking to relax with a cup of as you get your today planned in the mornings is TEA. Tea contains less caffeine than coffee, so it is likely to be less habit-forming (though that doesn't prevent me from being a tea-addict) and I've heard that, whereas the caffeine in coffee just triggers an adrenal rush, tea caffeine actually increases your blood cells efficacity in carrying oxygen, improving the efficiency of your metabolism. That's why tea makes you feel more alert, whereas coffee makes you feel more active. If you find tea to be a little too weak for your morning routine, try drinking it out of old pickle or mason jars to get the right dose going. They make teacups way the hell too small. I'd highly recommend the looseleaf varieties of tea over bag tea of any sort, but either one will do in a pinch. A nice, mellow, pretty-smelling tea to start off with would be Earl Grey or a fruity Rooibos. If you want something to force your eyelids open and re-arrange your bowels, I'd go with Formosa Gunpowder or Lapsang Souchang(sp?), mm!
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Re: is painting spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
#5839411 - 07/09/06 04:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coffee es ghey...
And, furthermore, Reichian therapists should've been burned along with the books... overpriced massages ain't gunna despute irrational beliefs.
Edited by MushmanTheManic (07/09/06 04:35 PM)
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to become wise one must defy the odds...
""""
I met her in a club down in old soho
Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry-cola [lp version:
Coca-cola]
C-o-l-a cola
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said lola
L-o-l-a lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Well Im not the worlds most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Well Im not dumb but I cant understand
Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man
Oh my lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Well we drank champagne and danced all night
Under electric candlelight
She picked me up and sat me on her knee
And said dear boy wont you come home with me
Well Im not the worlds most passionate guy
But when I looked in her eyes well I almost fell for my lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
I pushed her away
I walked to the door
I fell to the floor
I got down on my knees
Then I looked at her and she at me
Well thats the way that I want it to stay
And I always want it to be that way for my lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
Its a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Well I left home just a week before
And Id never ever kissed a woman before
But lola smiled and took me by the hand
And said dear boy Im gonna make you a man
Well Im not the worlds most masculine man
But I know what I am and Im glad Im a man
And so is lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
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Is homophopic behavior spritual?????????????????????????????????????????? [Re: Schwammel]
#5858276 - 07/14/06 02:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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how can you be a spiritual being when you hate homosexuals? The church, the government, and the people of this graet country)u.s. of a) of america don't like gays. PERIOD...
they don't like anyone...............so are they spiritual
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