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Re: Relating to Children [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4105793 - 04/28/05 02:14 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Psychoactive1984 said:
:rotfl: Thanks for suggesting that I should be fucked up as a result of how I was raised :smile:.

Sorry tomk but you can please be more specific?




I didn't suggest you should be fucked up as a result of how you were raised.  I just suggested that any hitting opens a kid up to being more likely to be fucked up then if no adult in that kids life ever deliberately inflicted anxiety via threat of pain on them.  I don't think all kids who are spanked are fucked up, only that no one can tell beforehand if spanking a kid will fuck that kid up, so no kids should be spanked.

But, I think you are fucked up as a result, too.  You think hitting kids is sometimes OK.  Thats fucked up.  Dude, it's simple.  Hitting kids is not OK.


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Maybe explain this comment, and while your at it, tell us a little bit more about the reality where you're from.




It means DONT HIT KIDS.  In my reality, no one should hit a kid.

See, I was hit as a kid too.  My parents thought as yours did.  The difference was that my parents, being human, weren't 100% all the time and sometimes got too mad.  After a few years, they got less good at inhibiting their responses.  I don't remember all that stuff too good, but I have a memory burned into my head (close to my first memory, wasn't till 3rd or 4rth grade) of my dad throwing some kitchen utensil at my mom in a dispute over the limits of disipline, while I was about to get punished, and that utensil causing damage to the wall when it missed.  This is burned into my head.  The good guy who does love me just put a hole in the wall because he disagreed with my mom about how hard to hit me while I am about to get hit.  Two good people, who thought spanking was appropiate disipline for a pain in the ass kid, had a momentary lapse, like all humans are prone to.  They got divorced soon thereafter.  They sound exactly like you when you talk about spanking.

Fuck people who hit kids.  You fail to realize that, as humans, you will sometimes fuck up, and that because of this, you must never allow any violence against kids.  While you are practicing spanking, it is possible to boil over to a point you could scar the kid forever.  If you think you can control your emotions enough to never have this happen you are wrong.  It might be the case that you never fuck up your kid.  However, sometimes some sychronicity could happen where you just boil over one time, and fuck up the kid.  As a consession to your human nature, you must say "If I allow violence against children, then I, as a human, may make a mistake in the application of this violence, momentarily lose my temper, and hurt the kid forever.  So, I, as a human who makes mistakes but does not want to permantently hurt a kid by mistake, choose not to use violence against children."  You are arrogant if you think you can never mess up at applying violence to kids, and, further you are wrong.

DONT FUCKING HIT KIDS.  :whack:  Please.  As a kid who was fucked up by this sort of thing, please, do not do it.


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Re: Relating to Children [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4105890 - 04/28/05 04:03 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
I have 17 years of parenting. All of my kids are great students, and are respectful of others. They also are creative individuals. I know people who raise kids without setting limits...the kids are disrespectful monsters. Once again you are NOT a parent. What is wrong with hunting? I believe in participating in the cycle of life and death directly, on a spiritual level, instead of as an observer. BUT that is another matter.







How can they have respect for others when you are teaching them that its ok to kill and harm fellow sentient beings? Hunting is the slaughter of innocent fellow sentient beings who have just as much of a right to live as you or i. I dont see how you can consider yourself spiritual of you inficlt suffering and commit acts of violence against others. Remember President Bush calims to be a deeply "Spiritual" person. I never said that setting limits was bad, but once you begin to say that violence is OK then you have already fucked up BIG TIME in the parenting department. You have opened a can of worms my frined, and i would'nt be suprised if one of your kids decides to join the army to practice his shooting and bag some Iraqi's. Read my previous posts on parenting and you might see some glaring common sense shining through, although i fear it may be too late for you and your offspring.


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Re: Relating to Children [Re: egghead1]
    #4105961 - 04/28/05 06:11 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Hunting is a necessary means for us to regulate the population of animals, who, no longer having a real predator threaten their existance, are unable to regulate their own population. It is the for the benefit of the animal species being hunted as a whole, instead of a starving, diseased death from overpopulation. Not to mention the sheer amount of money that hunting raises for wildlife and habitat protection... :grin:

It is amazing to me that hunting is seen as violence when it is, quite simply, nature's way of sustaining life. Checks and balances, otherwise a species would become cancerous to its environment and produce the inevitable destruction of both itself and its environment (hey, reminds us of us, and the fact that we have no natural predators keeping our population in check, which is apparently what we sorely need :smirk:).

Apparently the whole notion of the life/death cycle is flawed, as the death aspect of it is violent? Just as everyone and everything has an innocent right to live, it has an innocent right to die. It is a natural order, it seems to be a universal order.

The fact is that we've already disrupted our environment and the balance which sustained that environment. Out of fear of our own death, we've nearly eliminated the prospect of other preadatory species, thereby also removing the check that keeps other species in balance. It is therefore our responsiblity to act as that check to keep that balance, and in doing so, we have met widespread success, ensuring the healthy maintenance of a variety of animal species that, without us acting as that check, would overpopulate, thus destroying their environment when that species places too high of a demand for food, and eventually, destroying themselves in painful, suffering deaths full of starvation and disease.

Seriously, we already fucked up nature's equilibrium to such an extreme degree, the least we can do is fufill our responsibility to restore it.

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Re: Relating to Children [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4105981 - 04/28/05 06:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Hunting is a necessary means for us to regulate the population of animals, who, no longer having a real predator threaten their existence, are unable to regulate their own population. It is the for the benefit of the animal species being hunted as a whole, instead of a starving, diseased death from overpopulation. Not to mention the sheer amount of money that hunting raises for wildlife and habitat protection... :grin:

Sport hunters argue, often vehemently, that they are true conservationists. However, conservation in the hunter's mind seems to mean ensuring an adequate supply of targets, often at the peril of non-hunted native species. A recent study in the Wildlife Society Bulletin cites numerous examples of hunter groups resisting and even impeding efforts to restore native wildlife or to protect biodiversity. According to the World Conservation Monitoring Center, 29% of avian species and 54% of mammalian species currently threatened or endangered are still jeopardized by hunting. The U.S. Sportsman's Alliance -- the largest sport hunting lobbying group in America, representing more than 1,000 sportsmen organizations -- has attempted to dismantle the Endangered Species Act and actively promotes polices that destroy wildlife habitat. How is this consistent with conservation?

It is amazing to me that hunting is seen as violence when it is, quite simply, nature's way of sustaining life. Checks and balances, otherwise a species would become cancerous to its environment and produce the inevitable destruction of both itself and its environment (hey, reminds us of us, and the fact that we have no natural predators keeping our population in check, which is apparently what we sorely need :smirk:).

It is my  hope that when hunters come to truly empathize with the animals they wound or kill and see them as sentient beings -- as many hunters eventually do -- they will stop hunting. The evolution toward a more compassionate relationship with animals is evident and should be commended. Hunters would do well for themselves -- and the animals they purport to conserve and revere -- by also making this great leap forward and calling off the hunt.

Nature is always seeking balance, it needs no interference from us, it is our interference in the first place which has thrown this planet into the state it is in already. When will people see that causing needless pain and suffering to sentient beings is not the way forward, but is a barbaric act, which belies any justification, we should be trying to help them, not kill them in the name of help  :confused: .


Apparently the whole notion of the life/death cycle is flawed, as the death aspect of it is violent? Just as everyone and everything has an innocent right to live, it has an innocent right to die. It is a natural order, it seems to be a universal order.

Everyone has the Right to live and die respectively. But as human beings we should be seeking to evolve past our primitive animal instincts to a higher, more compassionate state of awareness.

The fact is that we've already disrupted our environment and the balance which sustained that environment. Out of fear of our own death, we've nearly eliminated the prospect of other predatory species, thereby also removing the check that keeps other species in balance. It is therefore our responsibility to act as that check to keep that balance, and in doing so, we have met widespread success, ensuring the healthy maintenance of a variety of animal species that, without us acting as that check, would overpopulate, thus destroying their environment when that species places too high of a demand for food, and eventually, destroying themselves in painful, suffering deaths full of starvation and disease.

So what you are saying is that we should kill to preserve certain species. What a load of horse drivel.

Seriously, we already fucked up nature's equilibrium to such an extreme degree, the least we can do is fulfill our responsibility to restore it.

The balance will restore itself if we leave it be

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Re: Relating to Children [Re: egghead1]
    #4106307 - 04/28/05 09:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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egghead1 said:
Sport hunters argue, often vehemently, that they are true conservationists. However, conservation in the hunter's mind seems to mean ensuring an adequate supply of targets, often at the peril of non-hunted native species.




Perhaps a lot of hunters are only egotistically interested in conservation as a means to ensure they still have animals left to kill, and perhaps endangered species might be threatened by hunting (just as endangered turtles are threatened by cars driving down highways...). However, one cannot deny the sheer amount of money that, through government taxes and regulations on hunting, go directly back into habitat restoration and the management of animal species. Protecting and upkeeping wildlife refugues requires money, investigating and punishing poachers requires money, studying animals and seeking solutions to problems that threaten species requires funding.

Not only this, but regardless of whether or not one determines it violent (nature certainly doesn't, it seems to be a necessary, natural law), the numbers of a species need to be properly maintained and kept in check. At the beginning of the 20th century, white-tailed deer were close to extinction, perhaps a population of only 30,000 deer, but now the white-tailed population is at least 100 times that, thanks to hunting and conservation programs. The same exact effect has occured for turkey, other deer, ducks and geese, etc. etc. etc. Proper hunting regulations and conservation ensured a dramatic increase in these species populations, and hunting serves as an effective manner to manage that population, to prevent overpopulation, which would produce dramatic, negative consequences for both the species and their environment.

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It is my  hope that when hunters come to truly empathize with the animals they wound or kill and see them as sentient beings -- as many hunters eventually do -- they will stop hunting. The evolution toward a more compassionate relationship with animals is evident and should be commended. Hunters would do well for themselves -- and the animals they purport to conserve and revere -- by also making this great leap forward and calling off the hunt.




Native Americans had a deeply spiritual respect and regard for animals, and yet they continued to hunt. They understood the delicate balance of nature and their role within that, and they continued to hunt. It is an integral aspect of nature, and they lived in balance with that. 

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So what you are saying is that we should kill to preserve certain species. What a load of horse drivel.




Regardless of your projection, that is essentially what I am saying, and it is proven that it works. :wink:

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The balance will restore itself if we leave it be




Indeed it will. Disease. Starvation. You speak of truly emphasizing with animals, and helping them, as they experience pain, and are equal beings. Thus, I find it strange that you would allow a horrible fate that they do not deserve, a long and suffering death by starvation and the ravages of disease, to agonize them just because you do not feel we should take the responsibility that we have for them. Nature is not some utopia in which animals all live in peace and harmony, without death or an intricate system transferring energy that is necessary for a balance that preserves life and its continuation. We can consciously manage these species populations, as it is beyond their ability to do so, or we can let nature do it by itself, with disease and the ramifications of overpopulation, both of which will also negatively effect other species, including ourselves. Its our choice, do we interact in a manner that will ultimately bring less suffering on the species' population as a whole?

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Re: Relating to Children [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4106973 - 04/28/05 12:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I can reason why he said you were fucked up by it. You yourself said this and it deeply touched me and is what pulled me into this discussion, "I deserved to be spanked".

That is how you were fucked up. You didn't deserve it but somehow you believe it. What did they say to you for you to believe that you deserved to be bullied? That is all it is, bullying.

How big is an adult? How big is a child under 7? How hard is it for an adult to intimidate a small child and to instill fear in them, to instill ideas in them that they are worthless, bad, and deserve to be spanked? It's called bullying and it's easy and cheap to do.

The hard thing to do which requires energy compassion and patience is to not bully them.

Here's what I think. Those of you who said you were just spanked and think it's okay to spank, I think you are kidding yourselves. I think you bought into being deserving of it and that part of you that felt it to be "not right" was stuffed and repressed because it is extremely difficult to cope and face the idea that these people who are suppose to love, care for and protect you could do that to you.

Any CHILD being "spanked" will tell you at the time that they do not feel loved or cared for when being spanked. They will tell you that they feel any or all of these emotions....afraid, unsafe, shammed embarrassed, violated, worthless.

It gets stuffed because we want to believe we are loved and cared for and are safe in their protection. How can you believe that when they cause trauma to you? One HAS to fuck with ther own head to be able to do that.

As we grow, some justify it as a means for coping and adopt the idea that, "they did it because they loved and cared for me and for my own good."

But there is yet that child in you , that felt differently when it happened. The day comes where those that have tricked themselves have children and they in turn spank them. Whats really happening is that the repressed anger for being spanked and embarrassed and made to feel bad and scared is being directed at the child, the easy helpless target when you really mean to aim it at YOUR parents for doing it to you.

Satire~ Where do we put all of these pent up stuffed emotions that are crying for release and relief. Ahhhhhhhhh, into our own children, YES. That's what my parents did and they were right to do it. I deserved to be hit and so they must too, yes. I tricked myself into believing that's how to show love and care and so I will show my children how much I love and care for them. Jr.! I said NO! :whack: Ahhhhhh it felt good to get that pent up emotion out after all these years. Jr. Do something else so I can get more off my chest. Jeez, this feels good. I have to keep my cover.


"You know JR. I only shamed you, made you cry, get angry with me and fear me  because I love you and you deserved it for being bad and disobeying ME.

The parent is Really saying (my ego couldn't handle getting ignored by a small child whom I regularly ignore which is probably why they did what they did in the first place but I will keep that secret to myself so I don't have to be "wrong" as a parent and stuff it as well.

And of course, my parents did it to me and I still haven't faced how fucked up it was, yet, I need to deal with it somehow so I need to react/replay the buried drama out onto you JR. until I finally "see and feel how warped it is and "get it"

This warped mind fucking cycle of self deception is so creepy how it works and slithers its way through the generations going unnoticed by many still, skeeves me out. It's like an invisible infectious dis-ease.

This is why they call it a chain, a cycle that is hard to break, because of the lies many tell themselves to cope and deal with their "spanking" trauma inducing abuse. 

Spanking is abuse. I can't believe how I am seeing spanking and inflicting, physical mental or emotional trauma and upset being justified under such a cute little word like "spanking". "Well, it's only "spanking", it's not like I hit or beat them."

I only had 2 drinks, it's not like I finished the bottle, says the alcoholic. I only stole one shirt, it's not like I took a jacket and pants too says the thief. I only spanked them, it's not like I beat them says the bully.

Define the difference between spanking and hitting, someone asked? They are both means to inflict trauma and upset. The only difference is that spanking is the politically correct word for child abuse these days.

I want to know the difference between kids who were hit and think it was warped BS, that they didn't deserve, and those who think it was right and just and that they did deserve it.

That is what I would like to uncover here to gain an understanding of, how it is that anyone could publicly say that "spanking is okay and just and that kids deserve it sometimes"

Tomk and whoever else applies, how come you and I know we didn't deserve it and have no justification for it and  others feel they did and are able to justify it?

I want that key in my hands and I want to run around the planet and unlock every chain of child abuse and traumatizing still going on out there.

It is a no wonder so much of the adult U.S population is doped up on anti-anxiety meds at epidemic proportions. If you can't feel safe in your own childhood home with your own parents, where can you in this world? My sister and one brother is on them and the other brother uses alcohol to numb the chronic anxiety.

It's not a joke, yet it is funny in that it was so simple to prevent.

None of them are deluded about how fd'up it is to "spank" children at least and the other two who have children don't do it.

All I can think of that would explain why we "got it" and broke the chain and some keep passing it on is this;

Some parents did cause trauma and then said to their kids, "we did it because we love you and care about you and for your own good." I think that's a part of the mind fucking, brainwashing, programming that perpetuates the cycle.

Mine never said any of that and they never even said "I love you". I got to see it in the pure naked raw truth without the window dressings and pretty fancy coverings for what it was-passed on and repressed trauma and abuse they suffered from as children.

My dad was so fucked up by it at age 67 he has said stuff like this, "If I deserved it then so do you because it wouldn't be fair for me to have been hit and not you." Sounds like a little kid, huh? The little kid who is still in pain at age 67 from it just like those justifying it with their fancy window dressings.

He never confronted his parents about it, instead, he justified it and followed the bully route and confronted us with his stuffed pain by unleashing it onto us instead.

Me and my sibs have all repeatedly confronted our parents of how fucked up it was and how they fucked us up. Just the same as I confront ANY adult doing it.

The healing from it isn't easy. I don't even know how well one can heal from it maybe that's why it gets passed on so easily.

For those of you who throw out spanking your kids so proudly and easily, let me say "thanks for the memories". They don't go away. Every time I see or hear parents do it, the memories come up and I get another chance to do more healing. This is the first time I have talked this much about it and haven't cried, even a laughed a few times so progress is being made.

Tell me proud spanking parents, WHY the bleep do I at age 36 need to be healing from something like this?

Tell me why at age 36 when my gentle loving husband is casually changing his clothes I have to experience FLASH BACKS of TERROR when he removes his belt?

WHY?

What could a little girl have possibly done do deserve having to carry these memories through life?

My sister and I use to joke about "dads Pointy" shoes, "his fancy" work shoes. We always hoped he wouldn't be wearing those when he kicked us. He'd be at work and a pair would be under his dresser and we would pick them up and look at how benign they were. Just shoes. They couldn't hurt us when they were off his feet. They became weapons of mass destruction when he wore them.

Once, he kicked her so hard when she was 5, because she got up to go to the bathroom from being made to sit still and quiet in the corner, she flew into a chair she was kicked so hard and busted her lip open. Then she got beat with the belt for crying because her lip was busted.

See, we got hit harder until we stopped crying like he did. I just figured I might as well share all of these memories you pro spanker's brought up in me.

Lets talk derservance and worth? You want to know what I was told I was worth as a kid? Less then a brown paper lunch bag.:lol: My sister and were "playing shoe store" and used some paper lunch bags. My mom came into our room and screamed, "You GIRLS! I need those for lunches this week." That's all my dad had to hear from the other room and in he came with his pointy shoes to kick us around hard for playing shoe store with moms brown paper lunch bags.

They were worth more then our creative play, our mental and emotional stability or sense of feeling safe and secure in our own home, our bodies safety our thoughts and feelings. We didn't know it was wrong to use some for play. No one told us. What did we do wrong? I still don't know? They were still usable for lunches. WTF?

We lived in so much fear and anxiety. We never knew what we were going to get hit for next.

Those of you being proud spanker's, I wonder if you also spank in public places. Have you ever considered that someone like me who was hit sees you do it and has to do all I can to keep it in until I get out to the car where I can cry for your children because I CAN RELATE TO THEM. That's after, I would have confronted you asking you to please stop it, until you stopped it.

One mom threatened to pull a switched blade out on me if I ever again told her to stop beating her two year old girl, "with the little girls own belt" for fussing. She threatened me with physical violence in front of her other 4 older kids. She said, "white people are creating columbines because they don't beat their kids".

That ignoramus wasn't even intelligent enough to know columbine happened because the kids were being bullied in school and no one stopped it, no one made the school safe for them. The kids doing the bullying of course, were taught the skills from their parents like that mom was teaching her kids to do with belt beatings and threatening me with a knife in front of them. 

Listen to what my psycho dad recently did and he is proud of this story. He was in line at a store and some lady was "spanking" her kid and another lady intervened to stop it. My dad went up to lady who stopped it and poked his finger into her front shoulder repeatedly telling her to let that lady raise her kid as she sees fit and to mind her own business. He is such a freaking bully, picking on compassionate ladies in stores to make sure that little child gets beat just like he did to keep it fair.

So some of you are proud to say you use spanking as a disciplinary tool. Ever consider where that pride comes from? Ever consider that it is compensating as the voice of the child within who felt proud to be able to take spankings when you were kids?

Well, if you're repeating the cycle, you didn't take it as well as you thought you did, you're just passing the filthy dollar along. Accept that filthy dollar once and for all and clean it up man.

I can keep my daughter from watching violent examples on TV but I think it's bullshit she has to watch children having their rights violated in public in this day and age. I thought we were civilized people with unlimited access to information including methods for raising children without the use of "spanking" here in the U.S.

I got a parental pride story for you. Once in Macy's, my daughter saw this 6'4" 320 pound man spanking his little girl. She was 6 at the time and ran up to him with no fear and told him to stop it because he was hurting her. He did at least for that time. I bet the little girl felt good that someone spoke up in her defense against that giant bully. I was looking at shirts and I saw my daughter bolt into the isle and "take care of that other little girl." That was a proud moment.

A 6 year old had more compassion sense about her then that big bully man.

Who do these kids have to defend them from parents who violate their rights to not be physically assaulted by their own parents? Some one has to speak up in their defense.

Why is constructive parenting not being taught in high schools?

Why why why why why why is it still happening when we know so much now? How do we get the message and info out there? How do we as civilized people stop the chain of "spanking" abuse once and for all? When does the healing even get to begin for so many people caught up in the cycle and when does the need to even have anything of the sort to heal from going to stop?

I know the spanker's are not getting anything from this post, but seeing as how this thread entitled RELATING TO CHILDREN has almost 900 hits now, maybe some parent yet to be will and maybe for anyone who believes they deserved it, just maybe, maybe it will sink in for them to face it and admit that they didn't and let the healing begin.

It's a sickness, a dis-ease passed on from generation to generation wearing fancy clothes and cute little words like "spanking" and phrases like "for your own good and because I love you" to cover it up.

That's why even though it did happen to me, I can see it for what it is. I didn't see the monster in the disguise of fancy clothing. I just saw the monster.

Monster.........that's a funny word to ascribe to a human. I just pictured my dad with fur, big fangs and claws and started to laugh. He's just a scared little boy when it comes down to it because he saw the monster without the fancy clothes too though he has yet to begin conquering it as it still has a hold on him.

I HAVE A DREAM..........where one day, all the citizens of the world will face and conquer their demons and we will live in the peace and freedom from the fear and anxiety and grip they have over so many.
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Re: Relating to Children [Re: egghead1]
    #4107497 - 04/28/05 03:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I am tired of discussing this. I have been hailed as an enlightened being, called an idiot, and ultimately classed a baby beater. I have nothing more to say on that topic, so I'll leave this one to you guys. Hunting and meat eating is off topic, but a good subject due to the fact that it will be a source of conflict...so that is my topic of my next thread.


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Re: Relating to Children [Re: tomk]
    #4107583 - 04/28/05 03:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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1) I didn't suggest you should be fucked up as a result of how you were raised.  I just suggested that any hitting opens a kid up to being more likely to be fucked up then if no adult in that kids life ever deliberately inflicted anxiety via threat of pain on them.  I don't think all kids who are spanked are fucked up, only that no one can tell beforehand if spanking a kid will fuck that kid up, so no kids should be spanked.

But, I think you are fucked up as a result, too.  You think hitting kids is sometimes OK.  Thats fucked up.  Dude, it's simple.  Hitting kids is not OK.

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2) It means DONT HIT KIDS.  In my reality, no one should hit a kid.

See, I was hit as a kid too.  My parents thought as yours did.  The difference was that my parents, being human, weren't 100% all the time and sometimes got too mad.  After a few years, they got less good at inhibiting their responses.  I don't remember all that stuff too good, but I have a memory burned into my head (close to my first memory, wasn't till 3rd or 4rth grade) of my dad throwing some kitchen utensil at my mom in a dispute over the limits of disipline, while I was about to get punished, and that utensil causing damage to the wall when it missed.  This is burned into my head.  The good guy who does love me just put a hole in the wall because he disagreed with my mom about how hard to hit me while I am about to get hit.  Two good people, who thought spanking was appropiate disipline for a pain in the ass kid, had a momentary lapse, like all humans are prone to.  They got divorced soon thereafter.  They sound exactly like you when you talk about spanking.

Fuck people who hit kids.  You fail to realize that, as humans, you will sometimes fuck up, and that because of this, you must never allow any violence against kids.  While you are practicing spanking, it is possible to boil over to a point you could scar the kid forever.  If you think you can control your emotions enough to never have this happen you are wrong.  It might be the case that you never fuck up your kid.  However, sometimes some sychronicity could happen where you just boil over one time, and fuck up the kid.  As a consession to your human nature, you must say "If I allow violence against children, then I, as a human, may make a mistake in the application of this violence, momentarily lose my temper, and hurt the kid forever.  So, I, as a human who makes mistakes but does not want to permantently hurt a kid by mistake, choose not to use violence against children."  You are arrogant if you think you can never mess up at applying violence to kids, and, further you are wrong.

DONT FUCKING HIT KIDS.  :whack:  Please.  As a kid who was fucked up by this sort of thing, please, do not do it.




1) FFS make up your mind.

2) Don't allow two peoples fucked up rendition of a method fuck up your view of it forever... why, if we did that drugs would be illegal....

Part of the reason is because some people fucked it up ahead of time for all of us based on their example... :smile: However, if done in moderation drugs (just like spanking) is all good, you just need to responsibly assign limits. 

I fully understand where you're comming from (perspective wise), but I think that you need to be more realistic, and not so idealistic.

Once again, approach the example that I provided and explain what you would do.

http://www.classicalreality.net/On%20the%20Reality%20of%20Sovereign%20Ideals.htm


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Re: Relating to Children [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4107599 - 04/28/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

gettinjiggywithit;

If you knew me, and saw some of the shit I still do today, you'd wish I was spanked more :tongue:.

I'm a very antagonistic person, and always was.

Believe me... I've no guilt in regards to actions. Nor do I have any form of complex/disorder that I deserve everything that happens... but I'm more then willing to admit that I did deserve my fair shair of spankings :smile:.

I'd rather you ask a question rather insinuate personality traits.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
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Re: Relating to Children [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4107763 - 04/28/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Had your parents done things differently, had they known a different way, I doubt you would have done whatever it was you think you deserved spankings for. I also doubt you would be an atangonists had they raised you another way.

I can be one, it comes along with the territory of being spanked and or not payed much attention to by parents. It becomes learned behavior for getting negative attention, the only kind some frequently spanked kids knew.

It probably also develops when you start telling them to "go right ahead" when they threaten to "spank". I knew this little smart ass girl, bless her heart, who at age 4 when her mom threatened to spank her for something, she bent over and offered up her ass. :rotfl:

We get tough, ballsy, antogonistic and thick skinned from it, thats for sure.

Okay, here's a question for you. More like a challenge. From what you remember of your childhood, what do you think your parents could have done differently to have raised a well behaved child instead of the "bad boy" you say you even still are?

Come up with prevention stuff and be creative. Did you ever take mental notes as a kid like see how your friends parents were different and wish yours were more like theirs or do you remember wishing they would be different and how. This is a creative challenge.

Please don't say spank you more. I got "spanked" for swearing and I still swear. It just doesn't work.

If any is to personal, PM it to me just for the exercises sake. It may be tough to do. You could have just been left to cry in your crib a lot and not remember the trauma that caused. Most seeds are set before the age of 3.:heart:


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Re: Relating to Children [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4107829 - 04/28/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a "good guy" subjectively of course, however.... :wink: don't want to get in that. 

:shrug: They really couldn't have done anything to stem my attitude without restricitng my freedom to have it. So they were to either;
1) Allow me to have a free attitude/opinion yet, spank me.
2) Be even stricter and tell me what to think, and how to feel about a situation, which would outright prevent the behavior associated with the antagonism; but also it would deviate from the norm in respects to development of my personality. In short, I'd  be one of "them".

~It doesn't really matter, I'm happy with how I raised, and I wouldn't consider myself fucked up as a result of it, although as you know others would (tomk). I don't have any issues as far as aggressive, or criminal behavior that might be associated with the manner I was raised in... well, haven't been caught or been in trouble for anything aggressive or criminal, not that I've never engaged in them :smirk:.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Relating to Children [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4107882 - 04/28/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I can relate to B. Like how I wasn't allowed to giggle in bed, but I was allowed to use my dads gun powder to blow up shit with m brothers in the back field.

I wasn't allowed to talk at the dinner table, but I was allowed to not do my homework. May parents never even knew if I had any or if I did it.

I got reared ended from both sides. Negative discipline in places it wasn't called for and zero constructive discipline in places where it was.

I am understanding what you are saying. Thanks for sharing!


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