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OfflinePanoramix
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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5834596 - 07/08/06 11:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, your point there is 'don't quote Beatles at me like it's some kind of effective argument' and I can certainly see what you're saying.  It's a song lyric, not a well-reasoned rebuttal (or better yet, a verse from Corinthians!). 

My argument for homosexual behavior being a spiritual endevour falls back to what Kotik said, sex is sex and a spiritually binding and connecting and strengthening experience (at least it is if yer doing it right) on account of the fact that the people engaged in the activity find it to be, and you really don't have the authority to tell them what's *actually* going on inside their heads.  On account of your not being them and all, y'know? :smirk:


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5834613 - 07/08/06 12:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i agree...The term homosexual can be used to describe individuals as well as cultures and intolerance

so maybe the original question was stated incorrectly, lets try it this way "do gay people have a spritual life?"

and then I would argue 'yes' as much as you or I

but then the right side of my brain says 'ya' but so did hitler.


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5834617 - 07/08/06 12:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And you probably do too, which is the most disturbing notion of them all! :lol:

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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5834629 - 07/08/06 12:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"do gay people have a spritual life?" --Schwammel

That's a question, alright. I think it can be most easily answered by taking the adjective 'gay' out of there. Now pose the question again. The answer's the same both times, and will be for pretty much any adjective you may care to substitute the word gay with. Do tall people have a spiritual life? Do chinese people have a spiritual life? The possible exception might be do dead people have a spiritual life, but if you answered yes for any of them, you pretty much had to answer yes for all of them. Y'see how that works? It's on account of their all being people.

"The term homosexual can be used to describe individuals as well as cultures and intolerance" --Schwammel
That's neat, I've never even heard it being associated with intolerance before. With tolerance, sure. More than that, with acceptance and celebration of difference, but never intolerance. I guess it depends on your experiences...


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5834630 - 07/08/06 12:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

very funny

and lets add this

"The term homosexual can be used to describe individuals as well as cultures and intolerance" --Schwammel
That's neat, I've never even heard it being associated with intolerance before. With tolerance, sure. More than that, with acceptance and celebration of difference, but never intolerance. I guess it depends on your experiences...

lets change the last word to "perspective..." and now I can live with that


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5834668 - 07/08/06 12:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was thinking along the lines of 'you'd have to have had a really unpleasant experience at some point to come away with the impression that millions of folks are intolerant just because they don't bed members of the opposite sex' with that statement.

And what's your perspective a by-product of if not your experiences in life? See, we didn't even need to change that last word to perspective, time does that for us.


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5834721 - 07/08/06 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

homosexuality

can be induced to a group of thoughs not planning on this course of life style, yes abuse maybe a factor, but what really constitutes abuse, where is the definitive line in telling someone it was all in fun games, no harms done, to heah that person violated me, or manipulated me, homosexuality can be used as a manipulation ploy, and sense this hedro, had his beliefs changed around, he becomes open to the ideas of being gay, in fact he doesn't know or is even aware of the seduction process being applied to him, but in all consequence that hindsight will tell him that he made a somewhat delusional choice, that reprocutions of its actions will takes its course, that their was no real act of sexual abuse other than consented naive seduction of the youth to make their own choices


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5834839 - 07/08/06 01:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Worst thread ever.

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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5834880 - 07/08/06 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"consented naive seduction of the youth" constitutes sexual abuse, though.  So indeed there were real acts of sexual abuse, particularly if this individual was seduced through use of drugs and psychological manipulation.  Sexual abuse doesn't just mean rape, y'know.  It particularly refers to predatory sexual behaviour of any sort.

"homosexuality can be used as a manipulation ploy..."  So can heterosexuality, just ask anyone who's ever been led on or played.  So, in fact, can false nose-and-mustaches with plastic glasses attached, though that's less of an emotional and sexual deception and more of a 'Gotcha!' type of thing.  e.g.
:whoa: that's you?!  I totally didn't recognize you with those spiff-ass spy glasses you're sporting!


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5834881 - 07/08/06 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, I got five shrooms from it, I'm not about to knock it...

(but yeah, I see your point)


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5835123 - 07/08/06 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

can be induced to a group of thoughs not planning on this course of life style

If this were so, gays could be induced to be straight by the same method.

just these weak ass retards that has nothing else to do but turn gay

Wow, looks to me that straight bigots are the ones lacking spirituality.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Diploid]
    #5835770 - 07/08/06 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

not according to the grand poop pa...

Pope Decries Gay Marriage In Spain

wonder why he doesn't do something abt the going ons
at the vatican where you got the men dressed up as women


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5835859 - 07/08/06 06:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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can be induced to a group of thoughs not planning on this course of life style

If this were so, gays could be induced to be straight by the same method.




they could be induced by straight people to turn back straight, but thats not what straight peoples agendas are, gays want more gays, because their the minority, every minor wants to become its major, I think the gay revolution is going to play a more a factor, now that everybody accepts being open minded to the idea, being idealistic and seeing true reality of a situation are two different things, accepting gay on any front promotes greater power towards that cause

you can call what I said the worst post ever but I doubt you've experienced the situation that I'm talking about, what I said spoke true to when I directly perceived reality


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5836177 - 07/08/06 07:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The problem with this statement is it includes to broad a spectrum of human behavior and fealings.

Wether or not love is involved in a homosexual relationship is as much a matter of the individual relationship as is a heterosexual one.

The question can't be answered in such a general way because some sexual encounters are spiritual and some are not no matter what they involve.


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5836231 - 07/08/06 07:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:shitstorm:


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5836389 - 07/08/06 08:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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so is homosexual behavior spiritual? the only argument so far is that it is because its "love"...
but isn't the emotion the pedophile is expressing 'love' too



lust (in any form) is very different from love. if the pedophile felt love for the child it tries to have intercouse wizh, would he really do it?
I don't think so, love transcends lust.

As for the spiritual value in homosexual behavior, why would it in any way be different than in heterosexual behavior?


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5836586 - 07/08/06 09:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

gays want more gays

I think I see your problem.

Do you believe that being gay is a deliberate choice or do you believe that gay people can't help but be gay any more than straight people can help being straight?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Diploid]
    #5836842 - 07/08/06 10:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, no, it's all about being indoctrinated!  That's why so many men are homophobic.  Just ask Jerry Seinfeld:

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What causes homophobia?  What is it that makes a heterosexual man worry?  I think it's because men know that deep down we have weak sales resistance.  We're constantly buying shoes that hurt us, pants that don't fit right.

Men think, "Obviously I can be talked into anything.  What if I accidentally wander into some sort of homosexual store, thinking it's a shoe store, and the salesman goes, 'Just hold this guy's hand, walk around the store a little bit, see how you feel.  No obligation, no pressure, just try it.  Would you like to see him in a sandal?'"





:rofl:

Homosexual "behavior" is no more or less spiritual than heterosexual "behavior."  Get real, folks.  Anyone who is still hung up on this shit needs therapy, pronto.  (And that includes the Pope and the President.  :tongue:)


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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5837342 - 07/09/06 01:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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didn't GOD say they where sinners?




a belief system in which there is a metaphysical moral reality where behaviors are wrong and sinful in a cosmic sense is hallucinatory. spirituality is an extension of nature, its ripening. it's like a plague that has been passed down through the tribe over the ages, repressing man's natural impulses and instincts as to emulate the tribe's ideal adult personality. the betrayal of our natural self expression is the root of our social pathologies. there is no original sin - we are not rapist, child-beating, war-mongers depicted daily in newspapers by nature. we have all been crippled in different ways by betraying our true selves to whitening process of the hive. the guilt begots muscular tension which begots rage which furthers our armoring by holding all the rage in... creating psychosomatic illnesses and sociopaths.

and of course everybody is so bloody minded... blaming one another for the state of affairs when nobody is to blame... we homosexuals are often a target (yes, i'm a gay male - that's me in the icon as of moments ago) the hive operates has prepared us our pre-defined sexual roles and rules, yet nature is far too diverse to accomodate the hive. hell, there are more than to sexes, people! biologists are well aware of that as well as gender preferences throughout the animal kingdom. And even heterosexuals have plenty of room for variance when it comes to their true sexual profile, their own unique heart throbs for shapes, sizes, you-name-it, to feign interest in whatever type of mate is in fashion... and the people who use sex like a sedative... repetive... too jaded with their karma to tap into that overflowin' keg of Orgone....


let me know if any of this rings true

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Re: is homosexual behavior spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #5838040 - 07/09/06 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Pope Benedict XVI praised marriage between a man and a woman as part of God's "loving plan," defending the traditional family Sunday at a Mass in Spain attended by hundreds of thousands. ...

any here still defending the "church"?


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