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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
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mozhual said:
For example people cooking meth, unsafely, don't care much about their life and that behavior has a very good chance of rubbing off on the people they sell to, or supply for,



That's another ridiculous generalization.  Stop spouting DARE propaganda.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
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Now you are just being a pompous ass, LOOK AT THE WORDS

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For example people cooking meth, unsafely, don't care much about their life


UN-SAFE-LY, if they gave a rats ass about it they would gather the proper safety materials

Honestly at best you could say it is extremely low on their priorities.

See epidemiology.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
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You are poorly informed and your posts are based around emotions not facts.

Lets get back to your original unedited comments.


mozhual said:
  Meth is fucking dangerous as hell to make, you have to be one crazy psyco to cook meth. Get your head out of your biased ass and do some research.



You don't have a working knowledge of this subject.  Talk about tie dye shirts or chakras or crystals.  It'd suit you better.

"Pompous ass"?  Yes you may well be.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
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LOL seriously? I already said that was a poor generalization hence the edit. Then I used basic reasoning skills to devise that some one who doesn't preform a dangerous task with safety in mind, must not care about their well being. Then I cited the study Nicholas Chritakis and James Fowler did about transferent behaviors and epidemiology.

Go ahead throw out more bullshit ad hominems.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
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You made a connection where none existed, there is nothing factual about your conclusions.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
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No connection? it's a behavior... it involves people... that is what the study is about, behaviors transferring between people... that is the connection genius. You act as if meth isn't a problem nationwide in the USA so I can't possibly have talked to and hung out with methheads before. You also imply there aren't any unbiased documentaries/studies/articles on meth use and lifestyle anywhere. Nope only you and you alone have the real answers, right? what a joke.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
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You're so brainwashed that you don't even realize that you're spouting propagander.    Officer DARE and the WOD are proud of you!


I'm 38 years old, I'm fit healthy have a family and own my own home.

I've used many, many drugs including meth amphetamine recreationally since I was 14.  Meth is no better or worse than any other drug except maybe alcohol.  Drinking has caused by far the most deaths, family break ups and other fuck ups in people I've known or still know.

You probably think meth is physically addictive to, LOL.

Have you even ever used meth?  I very much doubt it.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
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Hanky said:
Drinking has caused by far the most deaths, family break ups and other fuck ups in people I've known or still know.



Quoted for posterity and truth


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I am on a drug. It's called Charlie Sheen. It's not available because if you try it once, you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
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You have failed to accurately read a basically composed paragraph.
I after I admitted my wrong doing I revised my statement. You proceeded to attack me for what I already revised and then seemingly started reading my revised statements as saying the exact same thing.

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Now about the "cooking your own stuff(fireworks too)", that is were legislation and regulation come in. If some one wants to go off into a desert around no other people(or some other in-the-middle-of-no-where place) and do amateur pyrotechnics and amateur chemistry, to each his own. If they want to do it in any place where they could potentially harm the well being of other people, they should probably be required to have a license of some sort which required them to complete a test or demonstration of some sort proving they are not a hazard to the populous.  I know some might disagreed because this prevents anonymity but I fail to see another way to do it that wouldn't run a much much higher risk of compromising the well being of by-standers/passers-by/neighbors.


Is not a generalization, IT IS NOT ABOUT ALL METH USERS/COOKERS, it is quite simply only about the ones who do it with a complete disregard to any safety precautions and therefore a disregard to their well being(as i have clearly stated, 3 times now). If you can't understand were I'm coming from and feel that I'm attacking all meth users as bad suicidal maniacs, then there is nothing more to say. You are the one making a connection were there is none.

Have you read or even glimsed at Christakis and Fowler's study yet?
I guess not, hence the constant idea that I'm brainwashed.

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Meth is no better or worse than any other drug except maybe alcohol.

I'd ask you to elaborate on that conclusion but I doubt you will unless I post another four or five times which I don't intend to do.

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You probably think meth is physically addictive to

Who is making unsound generalizations now?

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You're so brainwashed that you don't even realize that you're spouting propaganda. Officer DARE and the WOD are proud of you!


So let me get this straight, because I base my ideas from life experiences and information from reviewed sources, and they just happen to not agree with your views on the subject that makes me a brainwashed propaganda spouter. Yea your logic is sound, you spend more time finding people to down rate me instead of finding information to contest me. I mean seriously how do you arrive at the conclusion that meth is chemically no more dangerous then say... pot or shrooms? HOW?

Lastly, DARE is about scaring people with false information on false premises. I have not intentionally tried to scare anyone, revised my false premise, and have presented factually sound information in its wake(seriously, since I'm almost 100% sure you haven't looked into that study yet, do it... if you are lazy there is a shortened new york times article on it). I DARE you to continue this useless attack on sound information.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

Edited by mozhual (10/08/09 04:41 AM)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
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You've only made attempts at "sound information" since I pulled you up for spouting nonsense.

This whole idea of yours that there is a subset of meth chemists  "only about the ones who do it with a complete disregard to any safety precautions and therefore a disregard to their well being" is quite outlandish, how did you come to the conclusion that this group exists?  Where did you get your statistics?

In short, you're talking rubbish, exactly as you have been since you started posting in this thread.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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Various ex-friends and associates I had to deal with in order to purchase shrooms/pot/oxycodon in my area. Along with a couple documentaries I've seen from time to time.

For example: The City Addicted to Crystal Meth and other BBC programs. I don't necessarily agree with all the documentaries premises but they do provide information along side their "views" as apposed to just the views you yourself provide.

I've known 10-15 people who have tried or become addicted to meth, but I only have ever met two meth dealers (one who was also cooking the shit). So am I seeing the whole picture? No and I know you aren't either so if that is what you want to bitch about by all means continue to be a jackass. If you want to propose that I don't have nearly enough knowledge about meth users and cookers(which I would be inclined to disagree with) that would be fairer but that is not what you are doing. You are directly saying that everything I've said is propaganda bullshit which is horribly untrue.

I don't present any statistics at all, unless they were hypothetically presented and you failed to see that.

EDIT: I also use Erowid a lot.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

Edited by mozhual (10/09/09 06:52 AM)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
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I'd also like to point out again, you attacked one little facet of the entire post. You fail to acknowledging whether you agree or disagree with the rest, and you continually do not answer all or even most of my questions.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
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u should all read a book called high society by ben elton(mastermind behind the young ones) its about the legalization of all drugs so that the gov has controll over them


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: robbyberto]
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no way man, pot & mushies should be legal for sure...but not the other shit! i hate tweakers! meth just turns people bad~! the fact that so many people on here r saying that ALL drugs should be legal is a big part of why nothing is legal! if we could just ficus on one drug at a time (weed) then it actually might happen sometime in the future! but if u keep trying to get all drugs legal so that your local crack head can walk in and hold a store up at gun point for his next hit then it's NEVER gonna happen! THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! FUCK!

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Eric090585] * 1
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no way man, pot & mushies should be legal for sure...but not the other shit!

Other types of sheep insist that alcohol and nicotine should be legal for sure... but pot and mushies should not.

Stop thinking like a sheep.

Meth is CURRENTLY illegal, yet anyone who wants it can find it easily. Keeping it illegal doesn't prevent this.

The only thing keeping it illegal does is increase the price a thousand fold so that it becomes highly profitable for criminal organizations, drug gangs, and Mexican drug trafficers. People are being killed daily in the drug market PRECICELY because it's illegal. We still have mafia problems today because alcohol prohibition created the mafia.

Terrorists are funding their operations PRECICELY because drugs are illegal. Legalize it and the profit motive goes away, drug gangs and terrorists are put out of business overnight.

How can you be so entrained in the sheep mentality fed to you by the anti-drug propaganda system that you don't see how keeping it illegal causes more harm than allowing people to have sovereignty over their own body?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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I dont believe i could have put it any better than that

God gave us free will, the government regulates this
we the people for the people by the people....sounds fimilar...

~Legalize Now~


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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I don't think crystal meth should be legal. It is very bad for the environment, so it hurts more than just the user.

Actually to an extent meth is legal. If you have ADHD you can get meth. It's called desoxyn.

Edited by smoke dank (04/09/10 10:37 AM)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: smoke dank]
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Anybody who supports prohibition supports the cartels and all of the evils they bring.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: smoke dank]
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smoke dank said:
I don't think crystal meth should be legal. It is very bad for the environment, so it hurts more than just the user.

Actually to an extent meth is legal. If you have ADHD you can get meth. It's called desoxyn.


:facepalm:

Your ignorance on this issue is astounding.

The only reason the 'bath tub meth' gets made in the first place
is because people can t go buy some from the local drug store

Absolutely no different than the 'bath tub gin' made during prohibition


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Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: smoke dank]
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I don't think crystal meth should be legal. It is very bad for the environment

Meth is a natural substance already in the environment. It is known to be made naturally in at least two species of acacia plants.

Read more at Cognitive Liberty here:

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/acacia.htm


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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