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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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theres studies that treat drug addictions with psychedelics, haha, legalize it all and treat the problems with current schedule 1 drugs.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said:
Diploid: please don't be defensive or judgmental on this, this is an honest conversation and I'm willing to be informed where I am wrong. I just hope that you can see this though the eyes of someone who lives at the heart of a failed War On Drugs. Running into people who are complete slaves to a drug changes your aspect on life. It's almost as if these addicts are not even people anymore, just a human shell of a body that is fueled by addiction. I'd hate to see more Americans following that same path. It's really horrible.


:smile:

It's a tragedy no matter how you look at it.  It's still a tragedy once you throw it in jail, stigmatize it with a criminal record, and consider it a closed case. 

Gumby I can see your opinions on this issue stem from genuine compassion for people.  At the heart of it all, we're all the same in that none of us wants to see others suffer.

:shineon:


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

:heartpump:

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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Imagian potatoes being illegal. And getting thrown in jail for eating them.

Its the same thing


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<> I WANNA SMOKE THIS BOWL <> <A comic by Cubie P. Cubensis>

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Gumby]
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I haven't studied the economics of drug legalization, but wouldn't the price of drugs drop significantly if they were made legal?

It seems to me that a lot of the drug-related crime would disappear instantly just because there isn't enough money to be made. When was the last time you heard of anyone selling their own homemade liquor? It doesn't happen because it's cheaper to buy it at the store than to make your own.

If drugs were legal, they would be mass-produced cheaply by big companies, not by the tweaker dude buying boxes of Sudafed at Wal Mart. Seriously, how much does it cost to grow weed? The risk of being arrested is the reason people are willing to pay outrageous prices to dealers instead of just growing their own.

Not only would the cost drop, but the drugs would be much more standardized and consistent than they are now. I'd guess that we'd see less deaths due to surprisingly potent batches of heroin.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: belligerent]
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Gumby]
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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It's good to see there are still some intelligent minds at work on the shroomery. This thread is a prime example.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Therefore, unsavory characters (which admittedly dominate the trade of "hard" drugs when they're illegal) wouldn't be involved in its sale.

Indeed! There is research showing that drug cartels contribute to busybody politicians' election campaigns who are in favor of expanding the War on Drugs. So too for Muslim terrorists who make huge profits from the illicit sale of opium poppy. Duh! Prohibition makes for enormous profits, just like it did during alcohol prohibition and the resulting rise of the mafia.

If I were a Colombian drug kingpin or Muslim terrorist, my first priority would be to covertly support this type of short-sighted politician, beginning with George Bush.

And I'd be grateful to the short-sighted Shroomerites who agree with them. :sad:

Edit: yes, it's spelled ColOmbian.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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*Colombian :mad2:

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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Therefore, unsavory characters (which admittedly dominate the trade of "hard" drugs when they're illegal) wouldn't be involved in its sale.



That's not necessarily true,though. A drug lord will not drop out of the game just because drugs get legalized. I can guarantee you that they would just drop prices and continue smuggling in order to compete with government prices and provide the populous with cheaper drugs. Its a huge industry and there is still money to be made regardless of whether or not prohibition comes to a halt. While ending prohibition may cut down on some of the criminal element of the drug game, it will still be there; just not as prevalent as it once was. Don't expect drug lords to just give up and say 'oh well drugs are legal now, might as well just get into real estate instead now'.

Edited by Ombient (01/28/08 09:54 PM)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll *DELETED* [Re: Robo]
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Reason for deletion: If you are sure you want to do this, click the button below. Yes, I want to delete this post.



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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Robo]
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But they WILL lose money. How many people still sell bootlegged alcohol to the masses? not many.

In order to figure that out, does anyone know the statistics of people who deal weed in Amsterdam?

To the people who were comparing making drugs illegal to making food illegal... thats kind of stretching it.

Q. I don't know anything about tobacco but how much safer is it to grow/ chew your own tobacco without any additives than it is to smoke/chew brands with tons of added crap? Or does it really matteR?


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: learningtofly]
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how much safer is it to grow/ chew your own tobacco without any additives

The tobacco industry is poorly regulated, again because of short-sighted asshole politicians more interested in the lobby money than in the people they represent, George Bush among them.

A properly regulated tobacco industry (actually a properly regulated nicotine recreational drug industry) would be required to list the ingredients, just like the food industry is required to list its ingredients.

A properly regulated recreational drug industry would likewise be required to list the ingredients in their products. When you buy regulated recreational opiates, you would get what you paid for.

The way it works now is you get some opiates, some carcinogenic solvents, some plant matter, a bit of profit-making inert filler, and some who-the-fuck-knows, precisely because it's illegal and unregulated.

Only people who cannot think think drugs should be illegal.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Robo]
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (01/01/18 02:00 PM)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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For example, how many illicit alcohol dealers do you know?

Or illicit nicotine or caffeine dealers. Or for that matter, illicit trans-fat dealers.

It's absolutely astonishing to me that so many sheeple (and Shroomerites) are so willing to swallow DARE propaganda that this simple fact flies right over their head.

Jesus! What planet do I live on?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (01/01/18 02:01 PM)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy said:
If a gram of 98% Cocaine HCl or "crack" were to cost $15.00 per gram retail, There is no way anyone on the underground market could offer a product anywhere close to this purity at the same price, not with the overhead that the organizations have.



You would be quite surprised.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Robo]
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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The American government needs to recognize the subculture of neoshamanic psychonauts in this country as a pseudoreligion, whose disciples have the right to grow, extract, and consume any substance classified as an entheogen. Because I do not believe more drugs will become legal - in fact, more and more will become ILlegal, and any way or ingredient to derive such substances from will be closely monitored. Such as the spores we legally order - soon they will not be, by my predictions.

In accordance with this pseudoreligion, certain individuals which have earned and been appointed the role of the shaman for a certain region should exist, for points of guidance, reference, and communication in the Entheogenic Pseudoreligion, especially for newcomers who wish to explore a new dimension of possibilities.

I am referring to it as a pseudoreligion for one reason. A gathering of this kind would not have a written text full of moral codes, but of the history of man's relationship with entheogens since the beginning of time. There would not be rules - only understanding. This is to preserve the openness of the psychadelic world to people from all walks of life, without having to radically change their perspective on life according to a strict regimen.

The idea is to think for yourself... build your own reality.


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Hemp could Save the World.

"There is no flag that is large enough, to hide the shame of a man in cuffs." -Serj Tankian


:mushroomgrow:Know Thyself.:mushroomgrow:

"If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
-Terence Mckenna

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: manyc]
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Governments shouldn't give special treatment to any religious organization. We all ought to able to able to do whatever we want to ourselves, good or bad, regardless of religious affiliation. It isn't the governments business. Completely unrelated ad hominem: I think it's hilarious that you can write a post like that and spell psychedelic incorrectly. It tickled me.


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