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Re: Drug Poll [Re: Cubie]
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I'm going to vote Ron Paul, but a feel it may be a throw away vote.... As much as i'd like to see him in the white house i really don't think it'll happen. I try to inform my friends/family about him as much as possible to spread the good word, who knows maybe it'll happen.

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Re: Drug Poll [Re: Sell Your Soul]
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Not to mention all the money the government would save on not having to pay for law encorcement.


The Government doesn't pay for dick. Its the American taxpayer that coughs up the dough.

Drug Enforcement & incarceration is a profitable industry within the Government. Why would they give up this great thing they got going?


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Re: Drug Poll [Re: Cubie]
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Almost everyone I talk to hates the war on drugs. Why don't we stand up and make a change.

Because the majority of the American sheeple are IN FAVOR of the war on drugs.

Fuck, amazingly, fully 1 out of 3 Shroomerites is in favor of the War on Drugs too.

Did you miss the 54 (so far) Shroomerites who want to lock me up for using drugs they don't like according to the poll in the opening post?? You'll have to convince THEM before you'll have any chance of convincing the rest of the American sheeple.

Edit: It's up to an AMAZING 64 Shroomerites want to lock me up because they like the drug Caffeine and I like the drug Amphetamine.

WTF is wrong with you people?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Poll [Re: Diploid]
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some drugs shouldn't be legal I think.. even some of you fucks can't handle drugs, how are irresponsible people who don't know what they're doing to?

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Re: Drug Poll [Re: Caribou_Lou]
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Caribou_Lou said:
some drugs shouldn't be legal I think.. even some of you fucks can't handle drugs, how are irresponsible people who don't know what they're doing to?


so you're saying those irresponsible people are not doing those "bad drugs" already? alcohol is legal and irresponsible people fuck up themselves and/or other people on it on a daily basis. so using that mentality, it's not the governments job to babysit us, or to tell us what we can and cannot put into our body.

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Re: Drug Poll [Re: opensaysme]
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opensaysme said:
it's not the governments job to babysit us


lol

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Re: Drug Poll [Re: Caribou_Lou]
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some drugs shouldn't be legal I think

There ya go. Another brainwashed sheeple chimes in with the DARE party line. :thumbdown:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Poll [Re: Diploid]
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1/54  :wink:

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Re: Drug Poll [Re: Diploid]
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It's the government's job to keep the peace, period. Lots of drug users keep to themselves, others cause trouble. Arrest them for causing trouble, not for using drugs.

You don't solve bank robberies by making banks illegal. You solve bank robberies by arresting bank robbers.

What's so hard about that concept?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
Legalize everything. This will have the natural effect of eliminating those who are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool, and those of us who are left will be capable of handling the responsibility for what we put into our bodies.


This is also likely to cause horrible economic problems. Treating addictions is costly.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Gumby]
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By taxing drugs, treatment of irresponsible drug users gets paid for by the responsible drug users' taxes.

By selling recreational drugs through a taxed and regulated recreational drug industry, law enforcement costs against drug cartels and gangs go away, saving billions and billions of dollars in enforcement and incarceration costs.

People will stop getting mugged by addicts fiending for their next hit because they can get what they want cheaply through the taxed and regulated recreational drug industry instead of through drug dealers.

And kids who currently have easy access to drugs (drug dealers don't check ID) will no longer have access because a taxed and regulated recreational drug industry will put drug dealers out of business through a lack of black market profits.

Only people who can't think think drugs should be illegal.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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Do you really think that federally regulated and taxes will eliminate the underground drug market? If taxed and regulated drugs are more costly than one can get on the streets, who's to say that the crime associated with the underground drug market will disappear? How are you going to convert crackheads or junkies to buying crack or heroin at a pharmacy?

Have you ever lived in an inner-city environment plagued with heroin and crack addicts? Do you deal with them on a daily basis? I do. I see what it's like on a daily basis. These people are so desperate that they will do anything for drugs. Swindling people, armed robbery, breaking and entering, and sex for drugs are all options for the worst of the worst addicts.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Gumby]
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Do you really think that federally regulated and taxes will eliminate the underground drug market?

Yes. Many studies of this issue have been conducted (and suppressed by the government). Search and you'll find them.

You are regurgitating the DARE party line. It's really kinda funny how thorough their propaganda is and how well it works that 1 in 3 Shroomerites sings it absent any honest research or original thinking of any kind. This is so typical of Amerikans that they let DARE and the government do their thinking for them. Good for you! :sad:

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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While I haven't looked up the studies yet, I'm going to go ahead and say what first came to mind:

Sure studies have been conducted, probably by economists and scientists that live a much better life than those "trapped" in an inner-city environment that feeds drug addiction easily.

And how am I regurgitating the DARE party line? I live in a city plagued by crack and heroin addicts, I see their way of life every time I leave my building. I've seen a crack dealing pimp beating the shit out of his crack addicted prostitute. Do you think the people who conduct these studies have every placed themselves in the environments where addiction hits hardest?

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Re: Drug Legality Poll *DELETED* [Re: Diploid]
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Alcoholics Anonymous

Narcotics Anonymous

Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365.

God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.

Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Gumby]
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Sure studies have been conducted, probably by economists and scientists that live a much better life

This is an ad hominem. Either the studies are Truth or they are not. Who conducted them is irrelevant.

From the Cato Instituter's analysis of the issue:

Futile efforts to enforce prohibition have been pursued even more vigorously since the 1980s than they were in the 1920s [during alcohol prohibition]. Total federal expenditures for the first 10 years of Prohibition amounted to $88 million—about $982 million in 2004 dollars. Drug enforcement costs about $19 billion a year now in federal spending alone.

Those billions have had some effect. Total drug arrests are now more than 1.5 million a year. Since 1989 more people have been incarcerated for drug offenses than for all violent crimes combined. There are now about 400,000 drug offenders in jails and prisons, and more than 60 percent of the federal prison population consists of drug offenders.

Yet, as was the case during [alcohol] Prohibition, all the arrests and incarcerations haven’t stopped the use and abuse of drugs, or the drug trade, or the crime associated with black-market transactions. Cocaine and heroin supplies are up; the more our Customs agents interdict, the more smugglers import. And most tragic, the crime rate has soared. Despite the good news about crime in the past few years, crime rates remain at high levels.

cato.org

The War on Drugs is a failure. You can't stop something that the people want, no matter how much money and police and arrests you throw at it. The only rational solution is to decriminalize drugs, tax and regulate them so kids can't get them like they can now, and use the tax revenue to pay for treatment of those among us who cannot control themselves.

Unfortunately, like most American sheeple (and 1/3 of Shroomerites), you prefer to let DARE and their ilk think for you. You haven't so much as bothered to research the plausibility of a taxed and regulated recreational drug industry before deciding that I should be locked in a government cage for doing something that does not affect anyone else.

I'm not even surprised. :sad:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chemy]
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Yeah? How do you arrest them if you have a city full of corrupt cops who don't act on anything?


The cops would have 80% more resources to fight REAL crime if drugs were legalized.

Why did you say corrupt cops, would cops become corrupt because drugs are legalized, and why would that happen?


I say corrupt cops because the majority of the cops in bad cities with drug problems are already corrupt. They are in cahoots with the illegal drug and firearms trade. Again, firsthand experience with this one (spoken with cops in my area who tell me about other cops who get paid off to not patrol a certain block, etc.).

As far as all drugs becoming legal and cops still staying corrupt, I'd be willing to bet that the same people involved with the illegal drug and arms trade will still become cops. It's the nature of the city. People have ulterior motives for becoming law enforcement when they know they can get paid off by drug dealers that will help them out.

However, I will admit that you do have a good point about more resources being available to cops once drugs are legalized. The war on drugs is costly. If, in a perfect world, the money from the drug war went to fighting crime associated with the drug trade, sure the underground trade might drop off. But that's a perfect world. This still doesn't change the fact that there are already corrupt cops and corrupt city/government officials.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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The War on Drugs is a failure.


I agree, and honestly, I'm not sure what to do about it. The money tax payers are spending on the war on drugs is in vain. It's a complete wreck. I can't offer a real solution, so don't look at me.

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You can't stop something that the people want, no matter how much money and police and arrests you throw at it. The only rational solution is to decriminalize drugs, tax and regulate them so kids can't get them like they can now, and use the tax revenue to pay for treatment of those among us who cannot control themselves.


But a lot of the people addicted to drugs don't want treatment. They're happy in their addiction-fueled world. It'd be great if we could use that additional revenue to treat every addict, but assuming that the majority of drug addicts would prefer treatment is idealistic at best.

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Unfortunately, like most American sheeple, you prefer to let DARE and their ilk think for you. You aven't so much as bothered to research the plausibility of a taxed and regulated recreational drug industry before deciding that I should be locked up in a government cage.

I'm not even surprised. :sad:


I resent the fact that you toss me in to the "american sheeple." I'm a pretty informed and educated guy. I in no means let DARE dictate my opinions. They are propaganda mongers whom I despise. I'm all for the legalization of certain drugs. I just fail to see how legalizing addictive drugs that are well known to destroy lives will decrease their usage and the corruption and crime that comes with the territory.

You can feed me study after study, but I really think you need to actually see the extremes these people will go to in order to get their fix. You can live in the suburbs and think that legalizing all drugs is a logical solution. Hell, I lived in a middle-upper class suburb in Georgia for the majority of my life and I used to think the same thing. Moving to a city plagued with addicts has convinced me otherwise.

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