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Re: Drug Legality Poll *DELETED* [Re: trepanib]
    #7875486 - 01/13/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chubba]
    #7875488 - 01/13/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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I would not feel safe in a society where a decent portion of the population was allowed to walk around in public freely after binging on methamphetamine.




1. It is unlikely that a "decent portion" of the population would opt to binge on meth, even if it became legal.

2. If someone binges on alcohol, they can legally walk around in public afterward. Many studies have shown that violent behavior increases with alcohol consumption, yet we are not throwing people in jail before they drunkenly assault someone else.

3. The poll addresses using drugs in the privacy of one's own home.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chubba]
    #7875495 - 01/13/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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So you too are deliberately refusing to read the opening post and poll in order to be obtuse?



Here lies the problem.

So someone is going to binge on meth for multiple days and stay inside... get a reality check.




I think that Diploid's point was that it would not necessarily be legal to be blitzed out of your mind in public.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: robbyberto]
    #7875499 - 01/13/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Only a child would ask what seperates an adult from a child.

When you can take care of your self and your not asking mommy for money then your an adult.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
    #7875502 - 01/13/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Veritas]
    #7875508 - 01/13/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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If someone binges on alcohol, they can legally walk around in public afterward.




In my state people can be charged with drunk in public and drinking in public. Actually, every state has these.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chubba]
    #7875512 - 01/13/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

3. Like I said above... meth users are not going to be staying in the privacy of there own home, it's just unrealistic.

I do. :shrug:


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Cubie]
    #7875521 - 01/13/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

That's how YOU define adult...the problem with everything we are talking about is interpretation. Money is not equal to maturity look at movie stars, or amy winehouse, or whomever.(My interpretation of maturity/adult) Also, who decides what constitutes informed? Is psychological harm you inadvertently do to family members still harm?


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chubba]
    #7875526 - 01/13/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

So, should we make taking a substance illegal, or should we continue to punish violent behavior, perhaps with extra penalties for violence while under the influence?

People do insane things while sober, people do insane things while drunk, people do insane things while over-caffeinated and frustrated with traffic. Is the issue the substance, or the behavior?


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: robbyberto]
    #7875539 - 01/13/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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If someone binges on alcohol, they can legally walk around in public afterward.




In my state people can be charged with drunk in public and drinking in public. Actually, every state has these.




Yes, but you usually have to do something obnoxious to draw attention to yourself. If you are not bothering anyone, it is unlikely that someone would call a cop.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: trepanib]
    #7875546 - 01/13/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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That's how YOU define adult...the problem with everything we are talking about is interpretation. Money is not equal to maturity look at movie stars, or amy winehouse, or whomever.(My interpretation of maturity/adult) Also, who decides what constitutes informed? Is psychological harm you inadvertently do to family members still harm?




Although I don't think it should be necessary, a test could be given to people to make sure they're informed enough about the dangers of the substance they want to buy. If they pass the test, they could get an identification of some sort, and purchase to their heart's content.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
    #7875549 - 01/13/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chubba]
    #7875579 - 01/13/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Well, I never want to take meth, but that does not mean that it should be illegal.

What if part of the legalization process was an educational component? Not that ridiculous piece of propaganda called DARE, but an actual informative campaign?

Of course, there would still be some people who would abuse mind-altering substances, but the rest of us would not be under threat of jail for our occasional use of whatever we find interesting and worthwhile.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Veritas]
    #7875609 - 01/13/08 08:42 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Trepanib your right.?bout the kid adult thing. No arguing there


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Re: Drug Legality Poll *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
    #7875611 - 01/13/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: kybish]
    #7875623 - 01/13/08 08:44 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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That's how YOU define adult...the problem with everything we are talking about is interpretation. Money is not equal to maturity look at movie stars, or amy winehouse, or whomever.(My interpretation of maturity/adult) Also, who decides what constitutes informed? Is psychological harm you inadvertently do to family members still harm?




Although I don't think it should be necessary, a test could be given to people to make sure they're informed enough about the dangers of the substance they want to buy. If they pass the test, they could get an identification of some sort, and purchase to their heart's content.




As for the bit about what constitutes informed, who knows?

What it comes down to, as it does with all regulation, is imaginary lines. The same imaginary lines are applied to all things, whether it be food regulation, tax regulation, alcohol regulation, or anything else.

There is no definitive answer, we are only human, and will do the best our judgment can provide.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chubba]
    #7875679 - 01/13/08 08:53 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Meth is some really stupid shit. I wouldn't argue with them, çuz if there using meth they are not intelligent. And not worth the energy it takes to type.
People that don't do meth don't do it çuz its as smart as drinking lamp oil.
Studys show that legalization would reduce.
Addicts
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Crime

Don't believe me?
Research L.E.A.P.


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    #7875687 - 01/13/08 08:55 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chubba]
    #7875704 - 01/13/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Funny though that in real life I've seen hundreds of people's lives destroyed and not one, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON benefit from meth use.




It doesn't matter.

Why should we have to prove we are benefiting from something in order to have the right to use it?

Do people benefit from watching Survivor? Do they benefit from jerking off? Maybe, how would we know?

As of right now, people have every right to destroy themselves with deep-fried food. Does anybody benefit from it? I don't know... it tastes good, it's enjoyable. But does it really have any potential to improve the quality of someone's life? For a few moments, maybe...

Millions more die from this indulgence than from meth, but why is meth bad enough that it should not even be allowed, and where do we draw that line?

What a world it would be if only we were expected to accept responsibility for ourselves.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Chubba]
    #7875708 - 01/13/08 08:59 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Might have reduced crime, but definetely wouldn't have helped me... I would have used more meth, more often and my binges would have lasted longer.




Perhaps you would've been better educated had meth been legal, allowing you to either a, avoid meth altogether, or b, quit sooner knowing the dangers.

All hypothetical though.


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