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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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Apparently because I think that amateur chemists cooking meth in a garage/house/vehicle is unsafe for the individuals, I must support the prohibition of all drugs....

Don't be retarded, I never typed nor implied that. My statment was merely offering an alternative view as to why people who do meth might tend to be more violent or indifferent to harming others. We aren't just little blips of life cut off from exchanging feelings and behaviors to each other.

Legalising all substances is the only way to minimize if not completely eliminate this gross(as in large..) negative effect certain substances have on certain people/groups of people. And having trained profesionals synthesising meth and all other substances is the best way to minimize if not eliminate unpure forms of the substance and the extreme hazards of sythesising certain substances... namely meth...


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
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I'm sorry, have you cooked meth before?

Actually, yes. And MDA/MDMA, and even tricky fentanyl and a few others. They're all dangerous though admittedly reductive amination of a ketone isn't likely to accidentally make phosgene. Still, many (most?) of the reactions can get away from you and endanger your neighbors.

Don't be retarded, I never typed nor implied that. My statment was merely offering an alternative view as to why people who do meth might tend to be more violent or indifferent to harming others.

Well, I'm not sure what exactly your position is, but if you're in favor of any kind of legislated morality, in particular drug prohibition of any kind, you're arguing an indefensible point given the easy availability of drugs despite draconian and ineffectual prohibitionist laws. Adults have the right to abuse their body any way they see fit.

Meanwhile, the drug war is the single biggest source of financing for organized crime, drug gangs, drug cartel violence, and even terrorist organization like taliban whose cash stream is the enormous profit margins that go with prohibited drugs.

If I were a terrorist or leader of a drug selling cartel, I would find ways to fund the election campaigns of the most ardent anti-drug politician I can find secure in the knowledge that the more draconian our drug laws, the higher the price I can charge for my wares. :yesnod:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
    #11182893 -

To be clear:
I was actually refering to Hank and Dick, and no one was saying they weren't dangerous.
I merely stated that according to a lot of reliable and available information to anyone who hasn't actually synthesized it them selfs, Meth has to be the most dangerous, especially with an amateur.
But in light of all this if you be so kind as to provide me with more (and/or more reliable) information on what ever it is you have experience in using, either by link or pm or w.e.

Now to reiterate because I guess I wasn't clear enough before. I firmly believe that keeping any substance that has a recreational use off limits to any of the citizens of a nation(in this example we'll use the US) is a direct infringement of their pursuit of happiness, but this goes doubly so for responsible citizens that do not disturb the peace in their pursuit of happiness.

Not only is it morally incorrect to prevent responsible citizens from attaining these substances but it is down right malevolent to incarcerate them(the responsible ones). It causes good, well intentioned, functioning citizens to be demonized by their own government of which they are a part of! Like Diploid stated before(paraphrasing), crimes are crimes and should be punished as such, but drugs do not make people criminals - prohibition does.

I have much more to say but at the moment I can't seem to keep my eyes open. To be continued, tomorrow!


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
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The continuation:

Personally, short of a political revolution, I doubt anything other then pot could ever become legal. And even that feels like a stretch, unless you live in California. This isn't as bad as it sounds in regard to use in your own home, simply because - much more often then not - the cops won't just drop in (this would be a problem with apartments though, namely nosey neighbors). Still pretty bad though and begs the question of why more civilized/progressive countries haven't tried this out (full legalization that is, not just decrim.)

Also, completely in the hypothetical, I'd wonder exactly what the regulations should be and how the regulations should be layed down to increase personal freedoms but still keep crimes involving drugs to a minimum (if only to keep the conservative and liberal cry babies from starting a shit storm on both sides pertaining to what they deem is more heinous about legalization).


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
    #11199054 -

Diploid covered most of what I needed to say.

Though your statement. "Don't be retarded" applies quite well to yourself.  Your knowledge on the subject it quite limited so you should be a little more polite. 

Chemistry is inherently dangerous in general.

Stop being a poster child for DARE.


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Coaster is an idiot...
[quote]Coaster said:
but i thnk everything thats pure is white?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
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Stop being a hindrance and provide some sort of support to your claim, anything. So far you've done nothing to convince anyone otherwise.
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Chemistry is inherently dangerous in general.

Yes, that is not the point, the point is meth is on its on pedestal when it comes to the number of things that can go wrong and the vast number of deadly by products you could easily produce. I swear to god you must have no idea how to cook meth or what the composition of meth is at all if you don't take this seriously.

As of yet no one has pm'd me with anything to the contrary, and I've clearly stated how completely unlike DARE my views are. Stop narrowing in on the one part of my argument you disagree with.

As for knowledge on the subject, again I ask have you cooked meth, have you even ever seen it done??? Do you know the step by step processes? Where, assuming for a second you aren't just bullshiting again, did your information come from? ... it didn't just pop into your head from no where.

I'm waiting.......


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
    #11199367 -

mozhual said:
I swear to god you must have no idea how to cook meth or what the composition of meth is at all if you don't take this seriously.



Two words.  Grignard Reactions.

Go do some reading and tell me I don't know my stuff.



Another example,I make GHB using Sandmeyer Reactions, the method produces some very nasty toxic gasses.

As I said Chem is dangerous, especially when carried out by retards.

The idea that "meth is up on a pedastal"  Exits only in your mind.


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Coaster is an idiot...
[quote]Coaster said:
but i thnk everything thats pure is white?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
    #11199467 -

Now was that really so hard? Why not just present that the first time instead of letting the conversation degrade...


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
    #11199487 -

You'd degraded it from your first innacurate and hype filled post.


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Coaster is an idiot...
[quote]Coaster said:
but i thnk everything thats pure is white?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
    #11199590 -

My first post had very little to do with chemical reactions, but that didn't stop you from zeroing in on that one issue and misjudging and then ridiculing me for it. I mean seriously go ahead and reread it, whether or not meth is more dangerous to synthesize then the few drugs you proceeded to list is irrelevant. And I actually provided some information in the form of excepts to support my view, instead of the epic "im right because" line you continually implied. On top of that, you completely disregard and fail to address the likely hood that, because of meth's popularity, it is much more likely to attract amateur cookers looking for a quick buck. Also hype? what hype? ... what ever I don't care anymore.

Thank you anyway, I'll be reading what you provided.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
    #11199609 -

You posted some wiki links.  :awesome:  :rolleyes:


PS:  Victor Grignard is the man.


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Coaster is an idiot...
[quote]Coaster said:
but i thnk everything thats pure is white?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
    #11199645 -

Its a lot better then nothing, and there are  89 references, on that page, to other articles.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
    #11199763 -

Learn to avoid generalizations fueled by hype. :smile:


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Coaster is an idiot...
[quote]Coaster said:
but i thnk everything thats pure is white?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
    #11199799 -

Again what hype? It is all factual information. But yes I agree, my generalization was poor.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
    #11199820 -

The hype you edited out that made it sound like meth labs were exploding like IED's in Kabul.

mozhual said:
Edited by mozhual (08/10/09 02:19 AM)



We no longer need to discuss this.


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Coaster is an idiot...
[quote]Coaster said:
but i thnk everything thats pure is white?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hanky]
    #11199831 -

Fine we'll agree to disagree about that.

Can we seriously discussion how legislation and regulation would be able to both extend personal freedoms back to their rightful place but greatly minimize the negative effects on society?


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
    #11199842 -

i don't get you're point. you say that backyard chemists doing chemistry is dangerous, but what's your point? do you believe in letting backyard meth cookers do their thing if it's out of the way of endangering anybody and they dispose of all chemicals? what's your opinion on homemade fireworks? are we to ban anybody from making their own recreational fireworks too?


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Everybody's a ninja...

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mozhual]
    #11199865 -

mozhual said:
Fine we'll agree to disagree about that.

Can we seriously discussion how legislation and regulation would be able to both extend personal freedoms back to their rightful place but greatly minimize the negative effects on society?



Rhetorical discussions don't really do it for me.


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Coaster is an idiot...
[quote]Coaster said:
but i thnk everything thats pure is white?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: SleepyF0x]
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MY original point was people doing dangerous unhealthy thing are going to have a likely chance of having their behaviors rub off on the people they are in contact with. It's a point made in several scientific studies, most famously the one done by Christakis and Fowler, and I mentioned the parrallels in meth production. For example people cooking meth, unsafely, don't care much about their life and that behavior has a very good chance of rubbing off on the people they sell to, or supply for, assuming these people don't already disregard their lively hoods. So by all logic even among the group of users who would normally care about their well being, this behavioral transfer will amount to a vast majority succumbing to the group norm.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: SleepyF0x]
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Now about the "cooking your own stuff(fireworks too)", that is were legislation and regulation come in. If some one wants to go off into a desert around no other people(or some other in-the-middle-of-no-where place) and do amateur pyrotechnics and amateur chemistry, to each his own. If they want to do it in any place where they could potentially harm the well being of other people, they should probably be required to have a license of some sort which required them to complete a test or demonstration of some sort proving they are not a hazard to the populous.  I know some might disagreed because this prevents anonymity but I fail to see another way to do it that wouldn't run a much much higher risk of compromising the well being of by-standers/passers-by/neighbors.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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