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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: niteowl]
#12380443 - 04/12/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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smoke dank said: I don't think crystal meth should be legal. It is very bad for the environment, so it hurts more than just the user.
Actually to an extent meth is legal. If you have ADHD you can get meth. It's called desoxyn.

Your ignorance on this issue is astounding.
The only reason the 'bath tub meth' gets made in the first place is because people can t go buy some from the local drug store
Absolutely no different than the 'bath tub gin' made during prohibition
Aww yeaaahhh. I was wondering if that was the case. Like meth is only bad because of how it is produced. Okay, now I think meth should be legal. Baddabing baddabam. No, but I am dead ass, you changed my opinion about meth.
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smoke dank said: I don't think crystal meth should be legal. It is very bad for the environment, so it hurts more than just the user.
Actually to an extent meth is legal. If you have ADHD you can get meth. It's called desoxyn.

Your ignorance on this issue is astounding.
The only reason the 'bath tub meth' gets made in the first place is because people can t go buy some from the local drug store
Absolutely no different than the 'bath tub gin' made during prohibition
Aww yeaaahhh. I was wondering if that was the case. Like meth is only bad because of how it is produced. Okay, now I think meth should be legal. Baddabing baddabam. No, but I am dead ass, you changed my opinion about meth.
Can't tell if this was sarcastic or not.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#13271387 - 09/30/10 05:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Antipsychotic drugs should be made illegal
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: lines]
#13278337 - 10/02/10 03:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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everything natural should def. be legal in my opinion. everything else regulated
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drkrobotnik said: god didn't make meth.
He made all of the necessary molecules and chemicals for it, or those same things are "natural" just as anything else (for the non-theistic folk. My beliefs are too personal/complex to go into right now, but I have a very unique concept and understanding of God, if that's what you want to call "him"/it). People just put them together in the right way and order.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Deej3987]
#13278495 - 10/02/10 06:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#13278572 - 10/02/10 06:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Diploid. We all know you started this thread because you love meth. This should be an anti-meth advert
Diploid's thread - not even once!
The reason people say something should be illegal - like heroin or meth or anything clinically addictive, in which the user's body becomes unable to cope without its fix - leading to people with no money turning to prostitution or theft or 12 year old girls sucking dick for heroin - is because of the reasons i just listed. Not because of the "sheep mentality"
You might be an elitist jerk and are about to go on atirade about how some people can handle it, but i say bullshit. Your ENTIRE point is moot - you've said it yourself. Regardless of legality, people will get hold of any substance that they wish to get hold of.
Take whatever you want, sure - but there should at least be massive punishments instated when addicts turn to crime to fuel their habits, or unemployed ones.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Rydrallen]
#13278869 - 10/02/10 09:07 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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legalize all of it and divert the resources being used to build and fill prisons to building and staffing voluntary treatment clinics. drug addiction is simply not a criminal matter and we will never incarcerate our way out of the problem. legalization would enable the government to control the purity of drugs, keep drugs out of the hands of minors via age restriction and allow non violent members of society to maintain their personal freedom. the only entities who benefit from prohibition are government and organized crime. everyone else pays the price.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Rydrallen]
#13278976 - 10/02/10 09:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Take whatever you want, sure - but there should at least be massive punishments instated when addicts turn to crime to fuel their habits, or unemployed ones.
they wouldnt have to turn to crime if they could get it legally....
derrrrr
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they wouldnt have to turn to crime if they could get it legally....
derrrrr
Unless they had no money other than that which they stole.
derrrr.
You seem to be missing out that im talking about the kind of fucked up junkies that cant hold down a job for obvious reasons.
derrrr.
and thus turn to crime to get their fix, whilst fucking up other people
derrr.
and neglecting their children or giving them methadone
derrr.
Yes this shit does happen. Its not propaganda. It happens in my city. A lot.
Naieve moron.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#13279805 - 10/02/10 01:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theres always gonna be 758.74% of anything thats not gonna get the joke.
But it really is getting better.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Rydrallen]
#13280242 - 10/02/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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like heroin or meth or anything clinically addictive, in which the user's body becomes unable to cope without its fix
Meth is not physically addictive. Educate yourself. The drug war propaganda has infiltrated your thinking. That's sad. 
Take whatever you want, sure - but there should at least be massive punishments instated when addicts turn to crime to fuel their habits
That's a strawman fallacy. Who is arguing against that? Nobody. Punish people who hurt other people. Leave those who hurt themselves alone. It's their body to abuse as they see fit. Don't like that? Why don't you move to Iran and get back to me?
BTW, Portugal decriminalized all drugs in personal-use amounts. You know what happened? Drug use went DOWN. Addicts who used to live a miserable life anchored to drugs finally felt comfortable going to the authorities for help because they now know that instead of getting locked up, they'll get sent to a doctor.
Arresting people is counter-productive. EVERYTHING points to that. It's absurd to close your eyes to the hard facts and continue to ruin lives, tear families apart, and overfill jails with non-violent drug users who just want to be left alone. The US takes the record currently imprisoning over 1 full percent of its population, many of them non-violent drug users who commit no crime other than using chemicals people like you don't like.
Take a look around the world man. Those attitudes (telling others how they should live their lives the way YOU think they should) is why we live in such an ugly world.
As for my personal motivations starting this thread, you don't have a clue about that any more than you have a clue about physical addiction. 
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#13280314 - 10/02/10 04:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here, chew on this:
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Pop quiz: Which European country has the most liberal drug laws? (Hint: It's not the Netherlands.)
Although its capital is notorious among stoners and college kids for marijuana haze–filled "coffee shops," Holland has never actually legalized cannabis — the Dutch simply don't enforce their laws against the shops. The correct answer is Portugal, which in 2001 became the first European country to officially abolish all criminal penalties for personal possession of drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine.
At the recommendation of a national commission charged with addressing Portugal's drug problem, jail time was replaced with the offer of therapy. The argument was that the fear of prison drives addicts underground and that incarceration is more expensive than treatment — so why not give drug addicts health services instead? Under Portugal's new regime, people found guilty of possessing small amounts of drugs are sent to a panel consisting of a psychologist, social worker and legal adviser for appropriate treatment (which may be refused without criminal punishment), instead of jail.
The question is, does the new policy work? At the time, critics in the poor, socially conservative and largely Catholic nation said decriminalizing drug possession would open the country to "drug tourists" and exacerbate Portugal's drug problem; the country had some of the highest levels of hard-drug use in Europe. But the recently released results of a report commissioned by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, suggest otherwise.
The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.
"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."
Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.
The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.
Portugal's case study is of some interest to lawmakers in the U.S., confronted now with the violent overflow of escalating drug gang wars in Mexico. The U.S. has long championed a hard-line drug policy, supporting only international agreements that enforce drug prohibition and imposing on its citizens some of the world's harshest penalties for drug possession and sales. Yet America has the highest rates of cocaine and marijuana use in the world, and while most of the E.U. (including Holland) has more liberal drug laws than the U.S., it also has less drug use.
"I think we can learn that we should stop being reflexively opposed when someone else does [decriminalize] and should take seriously the possibility that anti-user enforcement isn't having much influence on our drug consumption," says Mark Kleiman, author of the forthcoming When Brute Force Fails: How to Have Less Crime and Less Punishment and director of the drug policy analysis program at UCLA. Kleiman does not consider Portugal a realistic model for the U.S., however, because of differences in size and culture between the two countries.
But there is a movement afoot in the U.S., in the legislatures of New York State, California and Massachusetts, to reconsider our overly punitive drug laws. Recently, Senators Jim Webb and Arlen Specter proposed that Congress create a national commission, not unlike Portugal's, to deal with prison reform and overhaul drug-sentencing policy. As Webb noted, the U.S. is home to 5% of the global population but 25% of its prisoners.
At the Cato Institute in early April, Greenwald contended that a major problem with most American drug policy debate is that it's based on "speculation and fear mongering," rather than empirical evidence on the effects of more lenient drug policies. In Portugal, the effect was to neutralize what had become the country's number one public health problem, he says.
"The impact in the life of families and our society is much lower than it was before decriminalization," says Joao Castel-Branco Goulao, Portugual's "drug czar" and president of the Institute on Drugs and Drug Addiction, adding that police are now able to re-focus on tracking much higher level dealers and larger quantities of drugs.
Peter Reuter, a professor of criminology and public policy at the University of Maryland, like Kleiman, is skeptical. He conceded in a presentation at the Cato Institute that "it's fair to say that decriminalization in Portugal has met its central goal. Drug use did not rise." However, he notes that Portugal is a small country and that the cyclical nature of drug epidemics — which tends to occur no matter what policies are in place — may account for the declines in heroin use and deaths.
The Cato report's author, Greenwald, hews to the first point: that the data shows that decriminalization does not result in increased drug use. Since that is what concerns the public and policymakers most about decriminalization, he says, "that is the central concession that will transform the debate."
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#13280356 - 10/02/10 04:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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NO SUBSTANCE SHOULD BE REGULATED
Addicts will get their drugs regardless of it's legality, actually it seems making drugs illegal has made more drug addicts out of people. Wouldn't you rather have addicts buying their heroin and needles behind the counter instead of a dangerous gun wielding drug dealer? Help combat drugs that are cut with bad stuff which can make the drugs even more dangerous. Also wouldn't you like to fight all of the violent gangs that profit from pushing the drugs, who don't give a shit about the users health. Making a substance illegal is clearly stupid. if you disagree i can't believe you're even a member here.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#13293572 - 10/05/10 01:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think MJ and psilos should definitely be legal. But what I'd really like to see is drug users's license and seller's licenses. If you wanna make a coffeeshop, make a coffeeshop. If a smart shop, make a smart shop. If you are controlled, you show your license like a driver's license. People gotto have their licenses with when they want to do drugs. You can make a drug license at the communal center. Then they can follow who has a license and those persons are allowed to do legal psychotropic drugs and the others are not. For them aquiring MJ or mushrooms is illegal. This is because the people with license can be followed easier so they will have problems if they sell without a license or you do and sell illegal drugs you are listed in a police office with your drug drivers license. Thus they have to be careful. Big illegal dealers can't get a grip. Because people can get the good stuff in shops. And illegal drug related activities can be followed better.
The problems of this is the state or some officers might use that controlled system in ways the people did not intend and pervert it for power reasons.
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I like that idea a lot, legalize it but control it in a sense.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Deej3987]
#13296112 - 10/05/10 09:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think all victimless crimes should be legal (prostitution, gambling, recreational drug use, etc.), so long as the person in question is a consenting adult of legal age that fully knows the risks of the action in question but decides to anyways. I believe you should be entirely free to do what you want so long as that doesn't impede on another's ability to do the same. I think that people should be properly educated and informed before making a decision like this, but the decision itself should be entirely up to them so long as it harms nobody but (possibly) themselves.
EDIT: Meh, sorry, that was kinda redundant. 4-FA kicking in.
Edited by PsychedelicSpirit (10/05/10 09:52 PM)
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PsychedelicSpirit said: I think all victimless crimes should be legal (prostitution, gambling, recreational drug use, etc.), so long as the person in question is a consenting adult of legal age that fully knows the risks of the action in question but decides to anyways. I believe you should be entirely free to do what you want so long as that doesn't impede on another's ability to do the same. I think that people should be properly educated and informed before making a decision like this, but the decision itself should be entirely up to them so long as it harms nobody but (possibly) themselves.
EDIT: Meh, sorry, that was kinda redundant. 4-FA kicking in.
i agree. I don't believe in people zombifying themselves and giving up on their lives. but locking someone in jail for drug use is ridiculous and really doesn't help anyone, plus as it's been said god made the substance and put it on the earth didn't he?
what should be illegal is profit of drugs, being able to sell drugs should be illegal. so how to tell the difference between selling it and using it? well that is up to the government to decide, but this should have done a long time ago.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: trepanib]
#14064338 - 03/04/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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trepanib said: I just don't think drugs that are highly addictive should be legal. Especially because I don't see any real benefits to them.
What? Like Alcohol, or Sugar? Or Oil?
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trepanib said: I just don't think drugs that are highly addictive should be legal. Especially because I don't see any real benefits to them.
Every drug has its place. You don't see any real benefits to, say, oxycodone? Plenty of people need to take it for debilitating chronic pain. Or Xanax? Some people have severe panic attacks. Or amphetamines? They can be used for weight loss or for motivation. Why should something be illegal just because it's highly addictive? I think as long as the person is an adult fully informed of any and all risks involved, they should have the right to make that decision for themselves. Why should somebody else be in charge of MY body chemistry and how I choose to alter it?
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