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DeadHearts

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All drugs should be legal.
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6 years ago I would have thought drug legalization was a batshit crazy idea, aaaaah how willfully ignorant I was.
Regulation > prohibition, if people fuck up their life on meth that's their problem, not anyone elses. Only thing that scares me would be all the PCP fiends punching through plate glass windows and shit.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: schwarg]
#17367854 - 12/10/12 01:43 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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schwarg said: 6 years ago I would have thought drug legalization was a batshit crazy idea, aaaaah how willfully ignorant I was.
Regulation > prohibition, if people fuck up their life on meth that's their problem, not anyone elses. Only thing that scares me would be all the PCP fiends punching through plate glass windows and shit.
Few would do PCP who wouldn't do it already, wouldn't worry about any growth in that sort of drug use
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Prohibition of alcohol 2013
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schwarg



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Repertoire89 said:
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schwarg said: 6 years ago I would have thought drug legalization was a batshit crazy idea, aaaaah how willfully ignorant I was.
Regulation > prohibition, if people fuck up their life on meth that's their problem, not anyone elses. Only thing that scares me would be all the PCP fiends punching through plate glass windows and shit.
Few would do PCP who wouldn't do it already, wouldn't worry about any growth in that sort of drug use
While I generally agree with that, I know for a fact that even a few people I know who aren't educated on drugs would try something just because its legal without any knowledge of the substance. Like all the people who tried JWH and realized it was some real fucked up shit.
With legalization would have to come REAL education on all these substances. Not the just say no propaganda, but factual and scientifically backed research, to discern what is and isn't worth putting in their bodies, but the decision would still be up to them, so yeah....
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: schwarg]
#17367952 - 12/10/12 02:00 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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schwarg said: With legalization would have to come REAL education on all these substances. Not the just say no propaganda, but factual and scientifically backed research, to discern what is and isn't worth putting in their bodies, but the decision would still be up to them, so yeah....
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: schwarg]
#17367957 - 12/10/12 02:01 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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While I believe you should not be punished for drug use, I understand the illegality of things like lsd. I dont think it should be available to everyone, for safety reasons. Its a complex issue that I dont currently have time to elaborate.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mukhail]
#17367972 - 12/10/12 02:03 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Safety of the mind I presume? Cause if you're worried about people jumping into traffic...
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mukhail]
#17367980 - 12/10/12 02:04 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSD is one of the safest drugs there is, should be law against driving on it but need a lot of proof of harm to decriminalize something and there's none to bar LSD's way.
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mukhail
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: schwarg]
#17368006 - 12/10/12 02:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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schwarg said: Safety of the mind I presume? Cause if you're worried about people jumping into traffic...
Not so much people jumping into traffic. I wouldnt word it like that. I think possession should be legal, but i dont believe in "going to the drug store for a 10 strip " or anything like that. I do believe that lsd has ruined minds. Maybe there should be some sort of psychadelic competency test or something like that to license users? Probably not, thats a bad idea.
Its complex, and I dont have the answers or solution. I understand the reasons behind its current legal status, but I dont support it.
EDIT: this kind of goes for all drugs, I guess. Not just hallucinogens.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mukhail] 2
#17368204 - 12/10/12 02:32 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do believe that lsd has ruined minds.
Even if this is true (and it's debatable) who are you or anyone else to play nanny to others? If an informed adult wants to take a chance that their mind may be "ruined" as you say, then it's their decision to take that risk and nobody else's.
I happen to know that skydiving has ruined many minds. It's ruined entire bodies and ended lives too, in fact. So has fatty foods. Are we to ban skydiving and pizza because we can't keep to our own fucking business but feel compelled to shove our personal morality up everyone's ass?
Leave people alone. If the thought of "ruining" your mind with LSD bothers you, don't use LSD. It's simple. Leave others who don't see it your way alone to decide for themselves. It's simple!
I think possession should be legal, but i dont believe in "going to the drug store for a 10 strip " or anything like that.
What, you'd rather make it hard to get so that drug gangs can continue to make enormous profits, kill people wantonly, and sell to kids without checking ID? If it's available at the corner convenience store, drug gangs go bankrupt overnight because prices drop drastically. And kids won't have the easy access they have to it now.
Ask most kids and they'll tell you that it's easier to get cannabis than alcohol or cigarettes because drug dealers don't check ID like stores do.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: I do believe that lsd has ruined minds.
Even if this is true (and it's debatable) who are you or anyone else to play nanny to others? If an informed adult wants to take a chance that their mind may be "ruined" as you say, then it's their decision to take that risk and nobody else's.
I happen to know that skydiving has ruined many minds. It's ruined entire bodies and ended lives too, in fact. So has fatty foods. Are we to ban skydiving and pizza because we can't keep to our own fucking business but feel compelled to shove our personal morality up everyone's ass?
Leave people alone. If the thought of "ruining" your mind with LSD bothers you, don't use LSD. It's simple. Leave others who don't see it your way alone to decide for themselves. It's simple!
Believe me, I want no control over what other people do. I just firmly believe that the majority of people are just too slow for their own good. I will never be in a place to make these decisions, so i guess its completely irrelevant. Just please dont think me a fascist for my opinions, because I am genuinely concerned about harm reduction as the reason behind this opinion. Im sure we could all rattle off a list of people we know who shouldnt use hallucinogens.
Maybe it should remain a grey market, or make production on a small scale level among clandestine chemists and individuals, but I dont think mass produced and distributing acid on a mass scale is a good idea. I think it would only lead to another prohibition of it.
Someday, it might be legal. But will we ever see it on the wall next to our liquor and weed? I kind of hope not.
EDIT: what do you mean, its debatable if lsd has ruined minds? Im sure if we knew eachother personally, I could show you minds ruined by lsd. I have 2 older relatives that cant be left alone and cant take care of themselves due to lsd use, and I know this as a fact. Im not trying to argue, I just would like to hear you elaborate on your point of view on this matter.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: mukhail]
#17368325 - 12/10/12 02:50 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just firmly believe that the majority of people are just too slow for their own good
Doesn't matter. They're adults and adults have a right to make stoopid decisions.
I am genuinely concerned about harm reduction
Once again, worry about harm reduction for yourself. Let other adults decide their own life. It's their body to nurture or abuse as they see fit. Not yours.
Maybe it should remain a grey market
Why? What would that accomplish other than to keep drug gangs in the money? Drugs are currently extremely illegal. Getting caught will end your career, possibly send you to prison, tear your family apart, and maybe even cost your your life. But drugs are STILL easily available and people STILL use them despite all these dangers. Making them "gray market" won't change anything. Kids will still get them easily and drug gangs will still buy fancy cars and mansions from the disproportionate profit prohibition confers.
Im sure we could all rattle off a list of people we know who shouldnt use hallucinogens
Who are you do decide who "shouldn't" use hallucinogens. How would you like it if I decided you "shouldn't" use the internet. For your own good. To protect you from pron.
C'mon. Worry about yourself. Stop judging others' and whether or not they "should" use drugs. That's for them and them alone to decide.
Look around you. Almost all the problems in this ugly world stem at the core from one person or group telling another person or group what to do. If humans could just stop telling each other what to do, most of our problems would drop away.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#17368373 - 12/10/12 03:00 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love all the talk nowadays about the war on drugs being a failure. What do we do? We slowly begin to legalize a single drug.The majority of the arguments used for weed apply to a lot of the other drugs.
LSD, MDMA, Mushrooms all have the potential to be used for psychiatric treatments, plus who knows what they may do for cognitive enhancement(low dose lsd) and human evolution.
Coke and heroin used to be legal. Yes they are more dangerous but once again we can always turn back to alcohol and tobacco.
Will people die if all drugs are legalized? Yes. People die regardless of laws. Laws should be there to protect us from each other not from ourselves. Of course, this libertarian viewpoint poses the problem of face eating drug users... However, we cannot take a few bad cases and overgeneralize. I also believe that potential harm arguments are groundless because one can come back with potential benefit arguments. Perhaps a person should be prescribed a drug or go to drug school.
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schwarg said: 6 years ago I would have thought drug legalization was a batshit crazy idea, aaaaah how willfully ignorant I was.
Regulation > prohibition, if people fuck up their life on meth that's their problem, not anyone elses. Only thing that scares me would be all the PCP fiends punching through plate glass windows and shit.
Few would do PCP who wouldn't do it already, wouldn't worry about any growth in that sort of drug use
PCP isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. For me it was like a super energetic weed high, though that's probably because we smoked it with weed. It never made me or my friends snap in any way.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hobozen]
#17370755 - 12/10/12 09:06 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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This always made me laugh
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: schwarg]
#17370837 - 12/10/12 09:19 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shit, I get just like that when I'm good and stoned. Who needs PCP.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#17379035 - 12/12/12 09:59 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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U R smart man Diploid 
dead fucking serious. it's about time we all give each other what we want - free will!
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LuSiD9
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Hobozen]
#17380962 - 12/12/12 04:22 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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schwarg said: 6 years ago I would have thought drug legalization was a batshit crazy idea, aaaaah how willfully ignorant I was.
Regulation > prohibition, if people fuck up their life on meth that's their problem, not anyone elses. Only thing that scares me would be all the PCP fiends punching through plate glass windows and shit.
Few would do PCP who wouldn't do it already, wouldn't worry about any growth in that sort of drug use
PCP isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. For me it was like a super energetic weed high, though that's probably because we smoked it with weed. It never made me or my friends snap in any way.
I'll have to agree... PCP made me happy and tripped out as fuck every time I've done it, never once a violent thought... same with all my friends who have done it... sure it's weird as hell, but it's a fucking dissociative
only person I saw go violently crazy on it, was a dude that was already batshit violently crazy, that dude beat people up like it was job on a regular basis, even sober... yet he was still more chill on it then when he drank.
now booze, I have seen booze make the sanest, most passive people I know, turn into violent sociopaths over the course of a night I don't know how many times, including myself... in fact, pretty much every single time I have been in trouble with the law, it's because of booze... but hey, who cares, everybody does it, right?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: LuSiD9]
#17381807 - 12/12/12 06:43 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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True man, booze brings things out sometimes I wasn't aware of.
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