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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Wimy]
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^ Do you have an actual point?
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weiliiinmyyard said:I still think the hard drugs should be eliminated, not regulated.
You know how well that's working out with coke, right?
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The U.S. has supplied tens of thousands of gallons of Roundup to the Colombian government for use in aerial fumigation of coca crops. We have been using a fleet of crop dusters to dump unprecedented amounts of high-potency glyphosate over hundreds of thousands of acres in one of the most delicate and bio-diverse ecosystems in the world. This futile effort has done little to reduce the availability of cocaine on our streets, but now we are learning that a possible side-effect of this campaign could be the unleashing of a Fusarium epidemic in the Amazon basin. The drug war has tried in vain to keep cocaine out of people's noses, but could result instead in scorching the lungs of the earth.
We probably just need to try harder, I'm sure it wouldn't affect your pot and shrooms, and food...
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: jizmaster]
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weiliiinmyyard said:I still think the hard drugs should be eliminated, not regulated.
Most of us would choose to have heroin, coke and meth eliminated. But let's face reality. Those drugs are never, ever going to be eradicated. They will always be a problem. So how do we handle that problem? Not by locking people up, taking them away from their children, causing them to lose their job/career. Not by giving people drug charges for life. Not by pushing the market underground, which fuels drug cartels. Not by wasting tax payer money and police time.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Learyfan] 4
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Portugal decriminalized ALL personal possession laws for ALL drugs across the board. Guess what horrible things happened to their society:
1. Drug use went down 2. Drug crime went down 3. People seeking treatment now that they know they won't get locked up went up 4. Fewer kids started using drugs 5. Drug gangs moved out to other countries with prohibition where they can still make money 6. Drug dealers were put out of business and had to find real jobs 7. AIDS/HIV infection from shared needles went down 8. The country is saving a bundle not locking up drug users who just want to be left alone (or treated for addiction). 9. Thousands of narcotics police officers are now free to go after real criminals, like rapists and murderers
The list goes on. Read it for yourself if you don't believe me.
There are some great videos on YouTube of a dog with a long stick in his mouth trying to get through a narrow doorway. The stick keeps bumping into the doorway and the poor dog just bounces back and tries again, and again, and again. He's too stoopid to realize that to solve the problem, he has to try a different approach.
Drug prohibitionists are like dogs.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: keeno]
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I don't know. It's complicated. I wouldn't consider coke a hard drug. Sure you can shoot it up, and obviously if you've ever done coke somewhere like the Bahamas (I have) and experienced what it's actually like uncut, which believe me nobody who's only done coke in America has.. Regardless of what you dealer told you.. Then you would know that it can be pretty heavy and I guess pretty addicting in that form. But in relativity to other hard drugs like meth and heroin, I wouldn't consider it a hard drug. I guess if meth was legal it would have a lot less rat poison and shit in it, but it really permanently fucks with the way that your left brain and right brain communicate with each other, which affects your behavior for the rest of your life although I hear that there is now medicine that is believed to help correct that. I was unfortunate enough to get in the wrong crowd at a young age and spent some o my younger years.. 14-16 on meth. Around 16 years old I was also bengeing on rolls, this was before Molly was popular and available to my friends/area, and once I even took 8 hard smack based rolls at one time. So I guess I kind of have tried heroin, but only in rolls. Moved on to acid, pot, and shrooms after all that. I know, kind of a bizarre order but I just wasn't in to smoking pot when I was a tweaker, and it wasn't available to me. Pot was the best thing that ever happened to me. After years of everyday use I can't even smoke anymore because I got caught with some DMT, and caught a felony charge. So I guess there are a lot of reasons why I should say that drugs should be decriminalized. However I am clean now and I have to say its nice to stop the downward spiral that was my life. Sure, after being clean I would enjoy a toke, or maybe some shrooms, which we all know are two harmless drugs but I don't think I'll ever pick anything back up habitually. Maybe if it was all legal I could have learned this from society instead of the hard way, who knows. I don't know. The idea that all drugs should be legalized is a scary thought to me. But as much as I love the shroomery, I would not pick the members here to be the ones to convince me that it's a great idea. Sorry. I wouldn't leave the decision up to myself either. But certainly not the average shroomery member. This poll is totally biased, put it out anywhere else and the results change significantly. And of course some people are going to take offense to what I just said, but I mean no offense, as this is where I come on a daily basis to spend time talking to all the same people about OTHER subjects besides whether it's best for all drugs to be legal for everyone. Edit- I think we can all agree on one thing though. The punishments are too harsh and ineffective at solving the problem. There needs to be a change. Where I live the minimum sentence for your third misdemeanor pot charge is 10 years, and almost all of the prisons are privately owned corporations. Drug users and private prisons create a lot of revenue. Rather than rehabilitation programs they choose to end your life. That is fucked up. And many people get stuck in a cycle of never changing once their life has been ruined, they have nothing to aspire to be other than a drug addict.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Wimy] 1
#16660688 - 08/07/12 01:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dont know how I missed this poll. Voted for absolution of drug legalization. ANyone who thinks other wise does not understand what freedom or education can and should do or even is for that matter.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Wimy] 2
#16660727 - 08/07/12 02:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: I once I even took 8 hard smack based rolls at one time. So I guess I kind of have tried heroin, but only in rolls.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Wimy] 1
#16660838 - 08/07/12 02:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: I don't know. It's complicated. I wouldn't consider coke a hard drug. Sure you can shoot it up, and obviously if you've ever done coke somewhere like the Bahamas (I have) and experienced what it's actually like uncut, which believe me nobody who's only done coke in America has.. Regardless of what you dealer told you.. Then you would know that it can be pretty heavy and I guess pretty addicting in that form. But in relativity to other hard drugs like meth and heroin, I wouldn't consider it a hard drug. I guess if meth was legal it would have a lot less rat poison and shit in it, but it really permanently fucks with the way that your left brain and right brain communicate with each other, which affects your behavior for the rest of your life although I hear that there is now medicine that is believed to help correct that. I was unfortunate enough to get in the wrong crowd at a young age and spent some o my younger years.. 14-16 on meth. Around 16 years old I was also bengeing on rolls, this was before Molly was popular and available to my friends/area, and once I even took 8 hard smack based rolls at one time. So I guess I kind of have tried heroin, but only in rolls. Moved on to acid, pot, and shrooms after all that. I know, kind of a bizarre order but I just wasn't in to smoking pot when I was a tweaker, and it wasn't available to me. Pot was the best thing that ever happened to me. After years of everyday use I can't even smoke anymore because I got caught with some DMT, and caught a felony charge. So I guess there are a lot of reasons why I should say that drugs should be decriminalized. However I am clean now and I have to say its nice to stop the downward spiral that was my life. Sure, after being clean I would enjoy a toke, or maybe some shrooms, which we all know are two harmless drugs but I don't think I'll ever pick anything back up habitually. Maybe if it was all legal I could have learned this from society instead of the hard way, who knows. I don't know. The idea that all drugs should be legalized is a scary thought to me. But as much as I love the shroomery, I would not pick the members here to be the ones to convince me that it's a great idea. Sorry. I wouldn't leave the decision up to myself either. But certainly not the average shroomery member. This poll is totally biased, put it out anywhere else and the results change significantly. And of course some people are going to take offense to what I just said, but I mean no offense, as this is where I come on a daily basis to spend time talking to all the same people about OTHER subjects besides whether it's best for all drugs to be legal for everyone.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Wimy]
#16660855 - 08/07/12 02:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid] 2
#16661104 - 08/07/12 03:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Portugal decriminalized ALL personal possession laws for ALL drugs across the board. Guess what horrible things happened to their society:
1. Drug use went down 2. Drug crime went down 3. People seeking treatment now that they know they won't get locked up went up 4. Fewer kids started using drugs 5. Drug gangs moved out to other countries with prohibition where they can still make money 6. Drug dealers were put out of business and had to find real jobs 7. AIDS/HIV infection from shared needles went down 8. The country is saving a bundle not locking up drug users who just want to be left alone (or treated for addiction). 9. Thousands of narcotics police officers are now free to go after real criminals, like rapists and murderers
The list goes on. Read it for yourself if you don't believe me.
There are some great videos on YouTube of a dog with a long stick in his mouth trying to get through a narrow doorway. The stick keeps bumping into the doorway and the poor dog just bounces back and tries again, and again, and again. He's too stoopid to realize that to solve the problem, he has to try a different approach.
Drug prohibitionists are like dogs.

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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Learyfan]
#16661147 - 08/07/12 03:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Learyfan said:
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Diploid said: Portugal decriminalized ALL personal possession laws for ALL drugs across the board. Guess what horrible things happened to their society:
1. Drug use went down 2. Drug crime went down 3. People seeking treatment now that they know they won't get locked up went up 4. Fewer kids started using drugs 5. Drug gangs moved out to other countries with prohibition where they can still make money 6. Drug dealers were put out of business and had to find real jobs 7. AIDS/HIV infection from shared needles went down 8. The country is saving a bundle not locking up drug users who just want to be left alone (or treated for addiction). 9. Thousands of narcotics police officers are now free to go after real criminals, like rapists and murderers
The list goes on. Read it for yourself if you don't believe me.
There are some great videos on YouTube of a dog with a long stick in his mouth trying to get through a narrow doorway. The stick keeps bumping into the doorway and the poor dog just bounces back and tries again, and again, and again. He's too stoopid to realize that to solve the problem, he has to try a different approach.
Drug prohibitionists are like dogs.


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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Wimy]
#16661460 - 08/07/12 04:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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I even took 8 hard smack based rolls at one time.
Rolls can have lots of things in them, sometimes they don't even have MDMA at all, but of all the street pills that I've seen chromatography data for (many hundreds) I've only seen smack in one.
Besides, why put smack in a roll? It'll be less effective, the roller may not even notice it, and you can sell it as what it really is for a lot more than you can up-price a roll with smack? How many ravers would even take a roll if they knew it was smack?
C'mon man. 
BTW, if you've rolled more than a few times, you've also tweaked on meth. Should you be locked in a government cage with a 300# 10-inch dicked rapist named Bubba for that horrible victimless crime? Cuz that's what you're suggesting should happen to people when you support prohibition.
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#16661480 - 08/07/12 04:07 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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i voted with the majority on this one (of the poll)
fuck prohibition.
i have nothing else to add, it all seems so obvious
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Diploid]
#16661537 - 08/07/12 04:16 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I even took 8 hard smack based rolls at one time.
Rolls can have lots of things in them, sometimes they don't even have MDMA at all, but of all the street pills that I've seen chromatography data for (many hundreds) I've only seen smack in one.
Besides, why put smack in a roll? It'll be less effective, the roller may not even notice it, and you can sell it as what it really is for a lot more than you can up-price a roll with smack? How many ravers would even take a roll if they knew it was smack?
C'mon man. 
BTW, if you've rolled more than a few times, you've also tweaked on meth. Should you be locked in a government cage with a 300# 10-inch dicked rapist named Bubba for that horrible victimless crime? Cuz that's what you're suggesting should happen to people when you support prohibition.
If you read my post I did a lot of tweaking on meth. I did just kind of go on a 'here's my personal history of drug use that really doesn't support the topic' rant and I realize that Also if you read my post I added that I think that going to jail is not a reasonable punishment for possessing drugs and it does nothing to solve the problem.
Did you read my post?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Wimy]
#16661756 - 08/07/12 04:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: I don't know. It's complicated. I wouldn't consider coke a hard drug. Sure you can shoot it up, and obviously if you've ever done coke somewhere like the Bahamas (I have) and experienced what it's actually like uncut, which believe me nobody who's only done coke in America has.. Regardless of what you dealer told you.. Then you would know that it can be pretty heavy and I guess pretty addicting in that form. But in relativity to other hard drugs like meth and heroin, I wouldn't consider it a hard drug. I guess if meth was legal it would have a lot less rat poison and shit in it, but it really permanently fucks with the way that your left brain and right brain communicate with each other, which affects your behavior for the rest of your life although I hear that there is now medicine that is believed to help correct that. I was unfortunate enough to get in the wrong crowd at a young age and spent some o my younger years.. 14-16 on meth. Around 16 years old I was also bengeing on rolls, this was before Molly was popular and available to my friends/area, and once I even took 8 hard smack based rolls at one time. So I guess I kind of have tried heroin, but only in rolls. Moved on to acid, pot, and shrooms after all that. I know, kind of a bizarre order but I just wasn't in to smoking pot when I was a tweaker, and it wasn't available to me. Pot was the best thing that ever happened to me. After years of everyday use I can't even smoke anymore because I got caught with some DMT, and caught a felony charge. So I guess there are a lot of reasons why I should say that drugs should be decriminalized. However I am clean now and I have to say its nice to stop the downward spiral that was my life. Sure, after being clean I would enjoy a toke, or maybe some shrooms, which we all know are two harmless drugs but I don't think I'll ever pick anything back up habitually. Maybe if it was all legal I could have learned this from society instead of the hard way, who knows. I don't know. The idea that all drugs should be legalized is a scary thought to me. But as much as I love the shroomery, I would not pick the members here to be the ones to convince me that it's a great idea. Sorry. I wouldn't leave the decision up to myself either. But certainly not the average shroomery member. This poll is totally biased, put it out anywhere else and the results change significantly. And of course some people are going to take offense to what I just said, but I mean no offense, as this is where I come on a daily basis to spend time talking to all the same people about OTHER subjects besides whether it's best for all drugs to be legal for everyone. Edit- I think we can all agree on one thing though. The punishments are too harsh and ineffective at solving the problem. There needs to be a change. Where I live the minimum sentence for your third misdemeanor pot charge is 10 years, and almost all of the prisons are privately owned corporations. Drug users and private prisons create a lot of revenue. Rather than rehabilitation programs they choose to end your life. That is fucked up. And many people get stuck in a cycle of never changing once their life has been ruined, they have nothing to aspire to be other than a drug addict.
You think you took "smack based rolls"? 
I guess it's not surprising considering your views on prohibition.
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Memories]
#16662004 - 08/07/12 05:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Voted for option 1, validity questions aside. Interesting debate anyway, I think the shroomerites are leagues ahead of society at large.
It does jive with my thinking though... social issues should be tackled by the community most directly involved, not by some bunch of (at best) do-gooder representatives in government.
The older I get, the more disillusioned I have become with our system of representative democracy.
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That's what they always said... That if they had brown chunks in them that's a smack based roll. Whatever it was, there was clearly a difference between coke/meth based rolls and those
Anyway. Said my piece. To each his own
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Wimy]
#16662048 - 08/07/12 05:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: That's what they always said... That if they had brown chunks in them that's a smack based roll. Whatever it was, there was clearly a difference between coke/meth based rolls and those
Anyway. Said my piece. To each his own 
It's really not a "to each his own" type thing. Smack based rolls don't exist. You are just parroting the misinformation you were fed.
You are a self-righteous asshole for wanting to lock people in prison because they used heroin. Do you realize that heroin is no more dangerous than any other opiate? Should morphine be illegal too?
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Re: Drug Legality Poll [Re: Memories] 1
#16662051 - 08/07/12 05:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: I don't know. It's complicated. I wouldn't consider coke a hard drug. Sure you can shoot it up, and obviously if you've ever done coke somewhere like the Bahamas (I have) and experienced what it's actually like uncut, which believe me nobody who's only done coke in America has.. Regardless of what you dealer told you.. Then you would know that it can be pretty heavy and I guess pretty addicting in that form. But in relativity to other hard drugs like meth and heroin, I wouldn't consider it a hard drug. I guess if meth was legal it would have a lot less rat poison and shit in it, but it really permanently fucks with the way that your left brain and right brain communicate with each other, which affects your behavior for the rest of your life although I hear that there is now medicine that is believed to help correct that. I was unfortunate enough to get in the wrong crowd at a young age and spent some o my younger years.. 14-16 on meth. Around 16 years old I was also bengeing on rolls, this was before Molly was popular and available to my friends/area, and once I even took 8 hard smack based rolls at one time. So I guess I kind of have tried heroin, but only in rolls. Moved on to acid, pot, and shrooms after all that. I know, kind of a bizarre order but I just wasn't in to smoking pot when I was a tweaker, and it wasn't available to me. Pot was the best thing that ever happened to me. After years of everyday use I can't even smoke anymore because I got caught with some DMT, and caught a felony charge. So I guess there are a lot of reasons why I should say that drugs should be decriminalized. However I am clean now and I have to say its nice to stop the downward spiral that was my life. Sure, after being clean I would enjoy a toke, or maybe some shrooms, which we all know are two harmless drugs but I don't think I'll ever pick anything back up habitually. Maybe if it was all legal I could have learned this from society instead of the hard way, who knows. I don't know. The idea that all drugs should be legalized is a scary thought to me. But as much as I love the shroomery, I would not pick the members here to be the ones to convince me that it's a great idea. Sorry. I wouldn't leave the decision up to myself either. But certainly not the average shroomery member. This poll is totally biased, put it out anywhere else and the results change significantly. And of course some people are going to take offense to what I just said, but I mean no offense, as this is where I come on a daily basis to spend time talking to all the same people about OTHER subjects besides whether it's best for all drugs to be legal for everyone. Edit- I think we can all agree on one thing though. The punishments are too harsh and ineffective at solving the problem. There needs to be a change. Where I live the minimum sentence for your third misdemeanor pot charge is 10 years, and almost all of the prisons are privately owned corporations. Drug users and private prisons create a lot of revenue. Rather than rehabilitation programs they choose to end your life. That is fucked up. And many people get stuck in a cycle of never changing once their life has been ruined, they have nothing to aspire to be other than a drug addict.
it's never gonna be an easy thing to guess at is it? whether ending prohibition will improve peoples lives in the country that ends it... but I think we're starting to see evidence that says prohibition is bullshit
unfortunately we have POLITITIANS and CORPORATIONS deciding for us and a lot of the time they're not interested in doing what's best for people, just what gets them voted in and earning more money for themselves.
sure legalising will mean more people try things, but even heroin (I don't know much about meth at all, it's totally not on the scene here in the UK) when used properly, when reasonably pure can be almost harmless. there's plenty of accounts of functioning smack heads who are doctors/ lawyers who whilst hooked are still contributing to society (although not as much as if they were clean). and they weren't immediately criminas, they could seek help and not end up robbing people and houses.
I also think that prohibition against Psychedelics especially is a crime against humanity, as there's plenty of evidence that they can help to 'cure' alcoholics and heroin addicts, and whilst research is slowly being allowed (strassman, roland griffiths etc.) we've missed 40 years worth of research which could help to make the world a better place for everyone
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also I think that people who have tried drugs are the only people qualified to talk about them surely?
we don't want some brainwashed religious fanatic to make decisions based on some skewed misinterpretation of an ancient book or someone who stands to gain cash from keeping the status quo and keeping people ignorant
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