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OfflineBowlKiller
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Discussion on the concept of the Idea.
    #1076668 - 11/22/02 01:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Something I read today.

"We progress by discovering that sense-perception's view of the universe is a false one. We correct for those errors of sense-perception, by generating experimentally validated notions of universal physical principles operating beyond the reach of our direct observation by sense-perception. Scientifically literate cultures therefore recognize, that the universe of sense-perception is not a true universe, but only a curiously distorted shadow which reality casts upon our sensorium."

People who know more than others are obliged to go teach.



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OfflineEarth Shaman
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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: BowlKiller]
    #1077310 - 11/22/02 05:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Why does anything exist?
Because something thinks it does.



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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Earth Shaman]
    #1078711 - 11/23/02 04:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

That is absolutely not true.

We can carbon-date stuff and see that it was here long before "thinking" arrived here.


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1078822 - 11/23/02 06:28 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Only if that's what you believe.


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1078823 - 11/23/02 06:28 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



hmmmmmmmm...


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OfflineAdamist
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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1079009 - 11/23/02 10:29 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

We can carbon-date stuff and see that it was here long before "thinking" arrived here.

How can you absolutely determine that?


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Adamist]
    #1079941 - 11/23/02 07:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

How can you absolutely determine anything? you guys should study Plato if you're so into uncertainty.


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1080017 - 11/23/02 08:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

How can you be absolutely sure I'm not your daddy?


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Fcuerkt]
    #1080065 - 11/23/02 09:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I actually can't; I was adopted.


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1080102 - 11/23/02 09:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Reality is in the eye of the beholder.


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Murex]
    #1080105 - 11/23/02 09:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well it's time you knowed.


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Earth Shaman]
    #1080114 - 11/23/02 09:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"Why does anything exist? Because something thinks it does."

I completely agree with that statement for the existance of things which aren't physical (God, the soul, etc.) But lets say someone is standing on top of a really tall builing, and they are either dumb, or high, or whatever and they think the street below is actually a nice deep river that they can safely jump into. Is it??? Would you recommend that person go for it???


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1080121 - 11/23/02 09:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Wow man, like maybe to all outside observers the guy like dies and splatters all over the street, but realities diverge, and the guy swims to the other side of the river in his new reality.

and the universe is like... a blade of grass or something man.


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1080144 - 11/23/02 09:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm, like uh, I guess that's a possibility!  Interesting ...

But like, what if that guy's mom came along and refuses to believe that her son was actually dead.  Then like what happens to the guy?  :shocked: 


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1084545 - 11/25/02 03:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The thing is if you are in a cave and looking at a a wall and there is a fire behind you and you see the shadows on the wall. And someone is making something for you to watch using the shadows. The shadows are not the reality. So you have to get up and go see what the reality is. One way is the leave the cave.

The thing about asking well if you dont think it is it really there. <--- that is total nonsense.

If one was to sit and look at the shadows and let them be his reality, that is fine, but in reality those are just shadows there is something else controling them. And besides all that there is a much greater reality outside of the cave. And if the person does go outside then they have a responsibility to tell others about it.

Dont you think?


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: BowlKiller]
    #1084568 - 11/25/02 04:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Your eyes can not be the judge of what is real. People can see many things that are not really there. Maybe our brain that makes us want to see what we see and therefor we believe what we see. But where is the line draw, if i take a knife and cut myself, and i see myself do it....Did i really do it?


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Re: Discussion on the concept of the Idea. [Re: GrowingVines]
    #1085034 - 11/25/02 07:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"if i take a knife and cut myself, and i see myself do it....Did i really do it? "

what are you talking about? if you take a knife and cut yourself even withOUT looking at it, you've still cut yourself... I don't understand what you're saying dude.

Regardless, after mankind dies off, there will still be existence.

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meaning, however, will not exist, because we invented that.


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