Both of them are good at hot air rhetoric.

What sort of real change has he proposed that is going to make squat difference for the better in the average Americans life?

He is going to force people living pay check to paycheck to buy health insurance they can't afford from his buddies, he is going to steal money from everyone collecting a paycheck to build schools in the middle east, yada yada change and yeah so what does any of that have to do with Hope for America?

Suckers are born every minute.

Check this globalist crap out on his Foreign Policy Advisor-

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Independents seem to be jumping on the Obama bandwagon because they believe he can bring "change" to Washington. What they fail to realize is that he is being advised by leftovers from the Carter administration including Carter's national security adviser, Brzezinski.

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"Yet five years after the end of the century's greatest ideological struggle and five years before the onset of the next millennium," wailed the architect and first director of the Trilateral Commission, "the end of the ideological centrality in global politics has not ushered in a new world order .... We do not have a new world order. Instead we are facing growing doubts regarding the meaning of our era and regarding the shape of our future."

"We cannot leap into world government in one quick step," Brzezinski told his audience, apparently ignoring Gorbachev's caution. Such a grand goal "requires a process of gradually expanding the range of democratic cooperation as well as the range of personal and national security, a widening, step by step, stone by stone, [of] existing relatively narrow zones of stability in the world of security and cooperation. In brief, the precondition for eventual globalization -- genuine globalization -- is progressive regionalization, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."

This "regionalization" is in keeping with the original Trilateral plan, as outlined in Brzezinski's book, Between Two Ages, which called for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward "the goal of world government." In that same tome, David Rockefeller's Polish protégé proclaimed that "National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept" and praised Marxism "in the form of Communism" as a "major advance in man's ability to conceptualize his relationship to his world" and a "further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision."

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Obama is on the Tri Lat Commision himself along with being a member of the CFR. These people admittingly do not have Americas best interest or soverignity at heart. They are selling everything that makes America great out to a globalist agenda and one world government piece by piece.

Hillary is a member of both as well.

Excuse me while I throw my panties at him and then faint

buckwheat said:

Change!

her new name should be obamarosa.

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lonestar2004 said:

I hope they let her keep talking.

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I bet Hillary does too.

gettinjiggywithit said:

What sort of real change has he proposed that is going to make squat difference for the better in the average Americans life?

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He is going to force people living pay check to paycheck to buy health insurance they can't afford from his buddies....

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Source?

His health care plans are not universal and have a lot more to do with creating reform in regulation of insurance and health care industries.

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Suckers are born every minute.

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Obama is on the Tri Lat Commision himself along with being a member of the CFR. These people admittingly do not have Americas best interest or soverignity at heart. They are selling everything that makes America great out to a globalist agenda and one world government piece by piece.

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His stances on education and rural development seem very keen and capable of being quite effective, which will both greatly affect the lives of average Americans

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What exactly are those stances?

The tax cuts for teachers are great for teachers. They make up a little over 1% of the U.S. population. How does it benefit you or I? 

You do realize that the cutting of subsidies to gas and oil companies will increase the cost of gas and thereby other goods.

Though I am for this because I want to see alternatives be able to compete better, they will be competing at the higher price margins for possibly decades until new alternative can be made cheaper by mass production.

Thats a catch 22 benefit. We will all deal with short term loss at paying higher prices for a distant future gain in cleaner air and energy Independence.

And that comment applies if I bother to give his campaign RHETORIC any credibility. As far as walking his talk, he voted to pass billions in Bush giveaways to the oil companies. Hillary didn't. Not that I am for her either.

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He is going to force people living pay check to paycheck to buy health insurance they can't afford from his buddies....

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You heard me. The Obama plan would mandate health care coverage for children with a specific enforcement mechanism. He won't expansiate on what that is though on his site. From other reading, it was compared to Hillary's forced check deductions for adults too. What good is that if the forced payments run these families out of the homes or cut into their food budget? 

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For people who actually think, all the information is there for what he stands for and what he will seek to accomplish as President

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Great. Then you will have no trouble finding out for me, since you can think and I can't, how Obamas mandate for children's health care coverage will be paid for and enforced.

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I don't see anything to fear from a "world government"

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Me either as long as my daughter or her children or their children have an intergalactic space ship, and the freedom to take it to another habitable world, if they don't like the way this planet is being governed.

I am going to call BULL SHIT on your take of this as well. You have a lot of nerve or at least a bad memory, calling me paranoid and pretending your okay with it with a One world government.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=97266

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fireworks_god said:

I'm asking for advice on something happening in my life, and I'm asking because I need to plan ahead for this looming recession fear nonsense. To make a long story short, I am moving soon to Romania to live with a friend I'm in love with, and I was originally planning on wrapping up the last things I need to wrap up and flying out towards the end of March, beginning of April.

I'm hearing talk of what might happen tomorrow, and it is sounding serious. I wonder how much time I can afford to wait in this country before it becomes too late to get the hell out of here? 

I'm wondering because I get paid on Thursday and I have a significant amount of money (for me, six hundred bucks ) that I'm about to put down on my truck, but if it is necessary, I will say fuck the truck (it is almost paid off, and it sits in their lot now because the transmission went out and the city towed it when it snowed and now they have it there - the plan was to pay to get it fixed, give it to my ex-girlfriend, and she would pay me back the money by the time I was to leave).

I don't know if I have months, and now it sounds like I don't have days. I lost my passport and am waiting for my mom to get me a new copy of my birth certificate (lost that too ). I need to know if I should pay more to get it to me in, say, two days, instead of four weeks. I also need to know if I should pull all of my money in from further payments on anything and secure myself a plane ticket for sometime next week.

I prefer to wait to leave when I had originally intended, towards the end of March, so I could save up enough money to hold onto for awhile there, so I could take the time to finish everything unresolved here. The fear about the economy, though, is now making me wonder if I should fear for the worst as well, and simply bail A.S.A.P.

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I'm a none thinking person as you called me so of course you didn't expect me to go there.

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At least know what you are criticizing before you attempt to do so.

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I think I proved I do smart ass.

Obama intentionally became a member of TWO groups whose soul goals are working towards a globalist Agenda. He also intentionally chose a Foreign Policy adviser who shares in that goal.

What more proof do you need to acknowledge that Obama is working towards the same globalist agenda?

Weather that is good thing or not is debatable, not that he isn't working for it.

Don't even bother trying to debate that a One World Government is a good thing. You were ready to flee yours when it was looking scary. What are people going to do when there is no where to flee to if it gets scary looking?

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afoaf said:

I've never been proud of my country.

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dumbfounded1600 said:

She wants to give niggers money so welfare goes broke.

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