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All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule
    #8056099 - 02/22/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

From Obamas Plan for America

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Set goals for middle-school and high-school students to serve 50 hours a year of public service, and for college students to serve 100 hours a year





Public/ community service is something we sentence law breakers to do for punishment. How can our government force kids to do 50-100 hours of community service every year?

Isn't this against child labor laws? Even kids working sweat shops get paid something.

Last time I checked, madatory labor , without compensation, for the benefit of others, was called slavery.


WTF is it with Barrack and Hillary trying to turn the rest of us into their mini me's.

Egomania has no boundaries.


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056107 - 02/22/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Such ideas are a feature of the left.


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056115 - 02/22/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That would promote change. Change is always good. Change. Change. CHANGE! Do you have a link to support that?


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8056147 - 02/22/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Such ideas are a feature of the left.




I know Hillary is also a fan of slave labor and use to make arrangements when she was first lady of Arkansas to have prisoners released for the day just to do her mothers landscaping and yard work for free. I've posted about her Slave Master tendencies already though.

Dodd also proposed making community service mandatory for just HS students.


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: robbyberto]
    #8056171 - 02/22/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why is it that Obama supporters here know so little about the candidate THEY support and ask me for links to learn more about him? :tongue:


Here-http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056181 - 02/22/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you are soooo mean! Obama is about change and HOPE!

And he is clean, articulate, handsome, and dreamy....


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8056203 - 02/22/08 12:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Obama is soooo mean! Obama is about mandating the free labor of Americas children!

And he is clean, articulate, handsome, and dreamy....




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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056225 - 02/22/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I SWEAR TO GOD IM MOVING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY!!!!!!


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056227 - 02/22/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjljYjA3YTYzMjU2ZjA5Yzg1MmM2YjIzZjEyN2ZjZjk=
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"Barack Will Never Allow You to Go Back to Your Lives as Usual."

Last night I appeared on Hugh's show, and his producer Duane mentioned a Michelle Obama speech at UCLA. Captain Ed talked about this a bit, but I hadn't seen anyone transcribe the part of the speech where it gets a little... unnerving. It starts at about 8:41 in the audio.

" Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."

I'm sorry, nowhere in the Constitution does it authorize the President of the United States to demand anyone shed their cynicism. And I'm all for people pushing themselves to be better, but I don't think the President demanding it is the way to go about it.

And what if we kind of like our lives as usual? What about Americans' freedom to be uninvolved and uninformed?

Darleen at Protein Wisdom transcribed what follows:

"You have to stay at the seat at the table of democracy with a man like Barack Obama not just on Tuesday but in a year from now, in four years from now, in eights years from now, you will have to be engaged."

Ah. Apparently apathy will be criminalized, then?

Does anybody on the left side of the aisle find this rhetoric a little creepy? Isn't this describing an authoritarian presidency way beyond anything George W. Bush has done or proposed?

Do the powers of the presidency really encompass everything Michelle says Obama wants and plans to do? Based on this rhetoric, isn't he actually running for messiah?




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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056234 - 02/22/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Of course, Obama's privledged children will not have to pick up trash along the side of the road. He can afford them Private schools.

http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/01/obamas-kids-go-to-private-school-as.html


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056278 - 02/22/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good.

And I mean this, I'm not being sarcastic. Good.

I go to a crappy little college, so many of you might not see this, but we have what are called "Non Traditional Applicants", basically older students, of which I am one. Most of us have hacked it in the "real world" for a while before going to college. And most of us, having fucked off in a factory or fast food for a while, are better students with better grades and a better overall attitude towards education. I can guarentee you that any HS student who spends a few weeks with a leaf blower or a spatula will appreciate education more.

Slave labor? Look at the hours here. 50-100 hours of labor in a year. 2-4 weeks a year. Calling that slave labor is just... ignorant. Slave Labor means the rest of your goddamned life. Or most of it. It means HARD work. Talk to someone doing community service. Cleaning parks and washing fire trucks isn't PICKING 500 ACRES OF COTTON AND GETTING THE PISS WHIPPED OUT OF YOU ALL THE SAME. To call this slave labor is like calling a night at the opera a concentration camp.

Add to all that, I don't really like teenagers. Most of them are lazy, and stupid. Most of the stuff we need community service to fix is their fault. So go for it.


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: crumblebum]
    #8056289 - 02/22/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Forced labor is forced labor.


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8056343 - 02/22/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Forced labor is forced labor.




Saying X is X isn't really an argument. Well, in the most strict sense, it is. But not a useful one.

Now go on to characterize forced labor, and show how it's bad in all cases.

For example, could you stop laboring? In our society, could you get by without any kind of job or labor? Could you survive?

So what's the difference between forced labor and not having any option but labor?


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: crumblebum]
    #8056369 - 02/22/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

who the fuck is  going to supervise all these middle and high school kids while they are working?

are we just going to drop them off at a homeless shelter in downtown Baltimore and hope for the best?:rolleyes:


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: crumblebum]
    #8056381 - 02/22/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I suppose you like the draft, too.


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8056391 - 02/22/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not only is it far beyond the acceptable power of the government to force students to do labor, many simply don't have the time for this shit. When I was in high-school, between school itself, sports/extra-curricular activities, homework and my job I was already tied-up for approx. 80 hours.

My rather typical schedule was: Leave for school at 7ish, not get home until after 6 from sports/extra-curriculars. Fri. nights w/ football games I was there until after 10 frequently. That equals about 55 hours a week. Figure on a conservative estimate of 2 hours of homework every night, that brings it up to 70 hours a week . Then it was off to scan groceries on Saturday night and all day Sunday, which makes 80 hours, conservatively.

Maybe he should be suggesting that lazy adults who only work 40-60 hours a week be forced to do community service. Nope! Adults can actually vote.


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056394 - 02/22/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Last time I checked, madatory labor , without compensation, for the benefit of others, was called slavery.





what's wrong with the shoe being on the other foot


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8056404 - 02/22/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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are we just going to drop them off at a homeless shelter in downtown Baltimore and hope for the best?:rolleyes:




Actually, I think that's a great solution as to what to do with all the middle and high school kids... :yesnod:


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8056427 - 02/22/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Last time I checked, madatory labor , without compensation, for the benefit of others, was called slavery.





what's wrong with the shoe being on the other foot




explain please


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Re: All middle, highschool and college students sentenced to community service under Obama's rule [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8056433 - 02/22/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe that he is referring to a black man (Obama) who will enslave (mostly) white people.

At least, that's what I got out of it.


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