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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
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east, central, or west Tennessee?
i love east Tennessee. i want to hike the Appalachian trail before i die.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
#8047648 - 02/20/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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All over the state, really.
My Grandma and some cousins and their parents live a bit south of Jackson in the far west. But I have some other cousins in Soddy Daisy out east in the hills.
I love the whole place.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
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zappaisgod said: I'm loading the bunker now. Mostly Budweiser and..... mostly Budweiser. Paaaaarty.
Yuk! Budweiser! Count me out.
I don't recall inviting you. There is probably nothing more absurd on this great Earth than a beer snob.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
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Yuk! Budweiser! Count me out.
Blasphemer!
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zorbman]
#8048292 - 02/20/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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We Will NEVER Have A Black NOR Woman President....EVER. IMHO
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
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They didn't ban you yesterday?
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
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There's no reason to im simply stating my opinion
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
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Sometimes that's bannable.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
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hfffffffffffffffff
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said: Then what is the greater context which Barrack voted along with Bush to give Oil companies billions in subsidies?
There is a lot of time between now and Nov.
What are you going to say when you run around telling people that Obama is against oil/gas subsidies and they bring up his vote for them?
I already responded quite well to your last post, in case you convienently missed it. Only 1/3 of the energy bill went to oil subsidies, most of it went to nuclear energy and other means of alternative energy and improving energy efficency. I cited legitamate sources and demonstrated that the issue was much more complex than "Bush/Cheney oh my god oil hypocrite". The simple fact that he voted for it and it did contain a portion of subsidies for oil corporations is far out-weighed by the progressive energy measures included in the bill, which is pretty clearly why he voted for it. Hell, even you said that removing all subsidies out-right would hurt Americans in the short-term, so it only makes sense to wean them off while giving much more to other means of alternative energy.
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What are you going to say when you run around telling people that Obamas health care plan has no mandates enforcing people to purchase it and they bring up his enforced mandate for children posted right on his own web-site?
I didn't tell anyone that his health care plan didn't have any mandates; I clearly stated that his health care plan is not universal. I was already quite aware of the mandate for children's health care coverage, from his website and news articles, thank you very much. Now, what I would say to someone who brought it up, as a response to the question of how it would be enforced, is that it seems pretty clear that Obama does not stand for garnishing wages or fining individuals who already can't afford it. You asked where oh where did he explain himself as to how he would mandate it, and I posted a quotation of his from the same source that said that, if it could not be afforded and someone did not qualify for those safety-net plans, then they would subsidize their coverage.
He also says this in his speeches, so I think your assertion that he would forcibly take money from poor people to make them get health care coverage for their children has been successfully debunked, just like your mischaracterization of his vote on the Energy Policy Act of 2005.
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What are you going to say when you run around telling people that he is against Nafta, when they bring up that he voted in suport of extending the super highway into South America?
I'm going to say create some kind of source for this, because Obama has made thousands of votes and, while I'm actively engaged in reading more and more about his votes, I regret to say that the "build a super highway" vote hasn't yet been come across.
I do believe it is in the rules that it is the responsibility of the poster to produce sources for their claims. Given your track record of misrepresenting one of his votes, I see no reason anyone should give this assertion any credibility until you actually produce some information we can use to review the actuality of the matter.
Also, I didn't state that Obama is agansit NAFTA. I stated that he is agansit the harm that NAFTA has brought to American workers and our economy, as well as other trade practices that have benefited other countries at the expense of our own. I never implied he was agansit NAFTA itself.
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You still have these issues to clear up unless it's okay with you that he doesn't walk his talk.
I already cleared them up, except for the NAFTA superhighway, because you haven't presented enough information for me to research it out for myself. Your inability to read and respond to what I've already presented regarding these same statements is a different story.
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For future reference, using his ethics talk about transparency and a discussion web-site is weak sauce for convincing people that we will bring positive change to ending corruption in Washington.
No it isn't, especially when he has worked to pass bills that work towards this end.
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Like I said, we already know where a lot of our money goes and knowing it, does nothing to help us change it. Further, how many Americans are going to bother checking in with that web-site? Those who want to know where our money is going can already find that info all over the net. It's nothing new he is bringing to the table. Same goes with my ability to stay on top of bills coming up for a vote and my ability to write or call my state senators and congressmen if I have a beef with them. Who needs a new government run web-site to be able to do this?
It's feel good fluff.
No it isn't; you're simply being obtuse on the matter. Organizing this information for easier accessibility is a good thing. Taking measures to turn back the steps the Bush administration has taken to increase government secrecy is a good thing. Making more executive branch business easily accessible by the people is a good thing. He has a record in the Senate in spearheading, supporting, and voting for ethics reform.
As the Internet becomes more and more a pivotal force in all aspects of life, progressive steps to make government more available through it is a positive step towards greater things.
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Can I at least ask this of you. Please stop trying to say that Paul and Obama are a lot alike. They are nothing alike, even if Obama rips off Paul's material in speech, he has nothing to back it up with like Paul does, and it's an insult to the integrity of which Paul has held office with.
I didn't say they were a lot alike, I stated that they both have said a lot of the same things on some issues. It isn't an insult to Ron Paul, in fact, I think it is great that a prominent politician who has a strong chance of actually being President holds the same stances as Ron Paul does on Iraq and foreign diplomacy.
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Don't clarify those other issues for me either. Do it so you can back your talk when someone else calls you on it, and so you can be more clear about the level of self delusion you are living in regarding the Obama hype sweeping the nation.
Eclipsed only by your "anti-Obama" hype. I already called you on the energy vote, and I'd love the chance to review some of the other assertions you've put forth on his vote. It'd make it a lot easier if you would actually cite sources.
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I know a lot of us were enjoying the excitement of some real hope with Paul's campaign before the primaries. It's been a huge let down and I know a lot of Paul supporters jumped to the Obama ship to get that feeling of excitement and hope back. It's hollow with Obama though. And you'll realize that sooner or later.
I hope you aren't trying to cleverly talk about me. I know you would never turn a discussion into a personal matter (at least have the gall to actually reply to my post when I called you on that bullshit), but I can assuredly testify to the fact that I do not support Obama because of "excitement" or "hope", but simply because of the fact that his stances and his plans are far more beneficial for the future of this country and this planet than the two alternatives.
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What you call pointless idealism (writing pauls name in)I call the least I can do for a man who took a pay cut and put himself out there to take a heap of ridicule and scorn for over the last twenty years to work for my insured freedoms under the U.S. Constitution.
Great, but it actually doesn't accomplish anything but a "oh, how cute, x amount of people wrote in Ron Paul and Frank Zappa". I respect your decision to do so but I have simply expressed that I do not personally see anything result from doing so but the idea that it was done, which, as I personally see no benefit from my doing so, I consider it to be pointless idealism.
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I've never given a damn about the popularity contests or being associated with whats popular or an "electable winner"
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What you would also call, pointless idealism votes for them, I call having the sense to know that a non interventionist foreign policy deserves my support for as long as the concept is still alive and kicking.
No, I wouldn't call voting for a candidate who is actually running for President pointless idealism, just individuals who, no matter how respectable and amazing they are, aren't actually campaigning for President.
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Supporting a CFR, Tri Lat globalist member is out of the question for me. I have zero respect for anyone who works with people who see me as nothing more then cattle to be bought and sold, something to be slowly poisoned into a stupor and then brainwashed, and think that they know what is better for me then I do.
Okay, so Obama plans on selling Americans, poisoning them and brainwashing them, and leading the course of their lives for them. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how unsubstantiated or extreme it is.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said: Okay, so Obama plans on selling Americans, poisoning them and brainwashing them, and leading the course of their lives for them. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how unsubstantiated or extreme it is.
Wait...Hold on.
So you are the voice of reason now?
My entire world-view is being shattered before my eyes.
Honestly though, I agree with almost everything you said.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I've always been the voice of reason.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Anyone thanking he will make a good leader for the free world should take the time to read some of his books. He makes it very clear that does not like the white race. I'm not just saying this, It was my hope he'd be a good man but hes not. Just take the time read some of his writings, thats all I'm saying.
OH, and I love my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if you stopped for just a moment to thank about all the good we do in the world you would to.
We give more aid than any other country in the world by far. If the US was gone the world would be a darker place.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bigred]
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bigred said: Anyone thanking he will make a good leader for the free world should take the time to read some of his books. He makes it very clear that does not like the white race. I'm not just saying this, It was my hope he'd be a good man but hes not. Just take the time read some of his writings, thats all I'm saying.
OH, and I love my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if you stopped for just a moment to thank about all the good we do in the world you would to.
We give more aid than any other country in the world by far. If the US was gone the world would be a darker place.
I finished reading 'The Audacity of Hope' today. Where in that book does he say he 'does not like the white race'?
He said that we should think twice about some republicans who think everything was great in America back in the 'good ole days' of 1913 (think slavery).
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
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Which country is she talking about? Surely not America lol
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: kake]
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kake said: Which country is she talking about? Surely not America lol
be proud of this:
She has nothing to be proud of unless Obama makes good on his word and gets our troops out of Iraq ASAP.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bigred]
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bigred said: Anyone thanking he will make a good leader for the free world should take the time to read some of his books. He makes it very clear that does not like the white race. I'm not just saying this, It was my hope he'd be a good man but hes not. Just take the time read some of his writings, thats all I'm saying.
Talk about propaganda. Care to provide some quotes to back up those outrageous claims, bucko?
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
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She has nothing to be proud of unless Obama makes good on his word and gets our troops out of Iraq ASAP.

and then obama will just move them somewhere else....
you guys are sooooo Naive.
"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
Barack Obama
"One of the things that I think is critical, as the next president, is to make absolutely certain that we not only phase out the Iraq but we also focus on the critical battle that we have in Afghanistan and root out al Qaeda. If we do not do that, then we're going to potentially see another attack here in the US."
Barack Obama
Yep Obama is all about PEACE
KROFT: So you would send some troops to Afghanistan. You would bring some troops home, and you would send some troops to other areas in the Middle East.
OBAMA: Right.
KROFT: Where would you send them in the Middle East? And for what purpose?
OBAMA: I think having the potential for an over-the-horizon force, that if you started having some sort of conflagrations that necessitated immediate U.S. action, that we could send them there.
[”Over the horizon” means keeping permanent U.S. bases. troops, fleets, cruise missles and nukes within immediate striking distance of any key part of this region — ready to threaten, bomb or invade anywhere with only minutes notice — while placing the “burden” of day-to-day control over neocolonies in the hands of paid local puppet troops. This was the heart of the “Murtha Plan.”]
http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/candidate-quote-obama-on-open-ended-war/
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
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Even Ron Paul was a strong proponent of going to war with al-Qaida in Afghanistan and into Pakistan, so I fail to see your point.
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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
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bigred said: Anyone thanking he will make a good leader for the free world should take the time to read some of his books. He makes it very clear that does not like the white race. I'm not just saying this, It was my hope he'd be a good man but hes not. Just take the time read some of his writings, thats all I'm saying.
OH, and I love my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if you stopped for just a moment to thank about all the good we do in the world you would to.
We give more aid than any other country in the world by far. If the US was gone the world would be a darker place.
I finished reading 'The Audacity of Hope' today. Where in that book does he say he 'does not like the white race'?
He said that we should think twice about some republicans who think everything was great in America back in the 'good ole days' of 1913 (think slavery).
"The emotions between the races can never be pure;even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselvesWhether we sought our demons or our salvations, the other race would always remain just that; menacing alien apart."
Barack Obama Dreams of My Father
"the other race would always remain just that; menacing alien apart."
Yep, Obama loves the White man.....
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