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Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’
    #8039556 - 02/18/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)






http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=49244



"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."


"We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8039728 - 02/18/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Both of them are good at hot air rhetoric.

What sort of real change has he proposed that is going to make squat difference for the better in the average Americans life?

He is going to force people living pay check to paycheck to buy health insurance they can't afford from his buddies, he is going to steal money from everyone collecting a paycheck to build schools in the middle east, yada yada change and yeah so what does any of that have to do with Hope for America? :crazy:

Suckers are born every minute.

Check this globalist crap out on his Foreign Policy Advisor-

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Independents seem to be jumping on the Obama bandwagon because they believe he can bring "change" to Washington. What they fail to realize is that he is being advised by leftovers from the Carter administration including Carter's national security adviser, Brzezinski.

Here are quotes from Brezezinski:
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"Yet five years after the end of the century's greatest ideological struggle and five years before the onset of the next millennium," wailed the architect and first director of the Trilateral Commission, "the end of the ideological centrality in global politics has not ushered in a new world order .... We do not have a new world order. Instead we are facing growing doubts regarding the meaning of our era and regarding the shape of our future."

"We cannot leap into world government in one quick step," Brzezinski told his audience, apparently ignoring Gorbachev's caution. Such a grand goal "requires a process of gradually expanding the range of democratic cooperation as well as the range of personal and national security, a widening, step by step, stone by stone, [of] existing relatively narrow zones of stability in the world of security and cooperation. In brief, the precondition for eventual globalization -- genuine globalization -- is progressive regionalization, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."

This "regionalization" is in keeping with the original Trilateral plan, as outlined in Brzezinski's book, Between Two Ages, which called for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward "the goal of world government." In that same tome, David Rockefeller's Polish protégé proclaimed that "National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept" and praised Marxism "in the form of Communism" as a "major advance in man's ability to conceptualize his relationship to his world" and a "further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision."




Obama is on the Tri Lat Commision himself along with being a member of the CFR. These people admittingly do not have Americas best interest or soverignity at heart. They are selling everything that makes America great out to a globalist agenda and one world government piece by piece.

Hillary is a member of both as well.

Excuse me while I throw my panties at him and then faint :puke:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8039742 - 02/18/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Change!

Lol she is as thick as a brick. her new name should be obamarosa.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8039753 - 02/18/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It will be a sad day for America if they make it to the White House.


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: buckwheat]
    #8039758 - 02/18/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I hope they let her keep talking.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: buckwheat]
    #8039765 - 02/18/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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buckwheat said:
Change!

her new name should be obamarosa.




:lol: +100


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8039870 - 02/18/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I hope they let her keep talking.




:lol: I bet Hillary does too.




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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8039982 - 02/18/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8041328 - 02/19/08 01:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
What sort of real change has he proposed that is going to make squat difference for the better in the average Americans life?




The ethics reform that he has put forth to make Washington more transparent and to make pertinent information more accessible to average Americans by establishing on the Internet the ability to easily search where money is coming from, where it is going, the ability to participate in discussion on Whitehouse.gov about non-emergency bills before they are passed, and there was more but I'm not opening up his blueprint right now...

His stances on education and rural development seem very keen and capable of being quite effective, which will both greatly affect the lives of average Americans. Once again, I can't cite specific plans because I don't have the information readily accessible, but from huge tax cuts for teachers to removing subsidies to gas and oil companies, to the creation of a Green Job Corps that will give an opportunity to disadvantaged youths to begin working in an industry that will grow substansively underneath his energy plans...

There's actually a lot of changes that he'll be capable of bringing forth, with the support of a Democratic-controlled Congress surely, that will improve the lives of average Americans.

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He is going to force people living pay check to paycheck to buy health insurance they can't afford from his buddies....




Source? :what:

His health care plans are not universal and have a lot more to do with creating reform in regulation of insurance and health care industries.

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Suckers are born every minute.




People who will criticize someone's policy with next to no understanding of what it actually is seem to be even more populous. If Americans, on average, were capable of doing research and making informed decisions, then surely there would not be a need to run a very successful campaign as Obama has, by sticking with themes and inspiring people to vote for him, and someone like Ron Paul would be the Republican nominee, and not McCain.

I don't hold it agansit Obama that he has to campaign to the majority of stupid people in this country in order to win. For people who actually think, all the information is there for what he stands for and what he will seek to accomplish as President.

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Obama is on the Tri Lat Commision himself along with being a member of the CFR. These people admittingly do not have Americas best interest or soverignity at heart. They are selling everything that makes America great out to a globalist agenda and one world government piece by piece.





Sounds pretty paranoid to me. I don't see anything to fear from a "world government" since clearly it couldnt' be any more fearsome than the one we have now, which can't even keep track of tens of millions of people that aren't even suspossed to be here. It sounds more like a realization that we are one planet and if we work together to better the planet for everyone, then evolution can truly begin... Of course, "national sovereignty" seems pretty nonexistent, mostly thanks to the role the United States government, elected by the people, has played in the world for the last sixty to seventy years. The only thing that matters is that people are sovereign and have their rights, really. Borders come and go with the tides and are pretty meaningless, the only thing that is really important is that people can represent themselves through government, and I think the United States has, for quite some time, held it in its best interest that people across this planet don't have the right if it interferes with what the United States wants.

But regardless, we're taking into account words of an advisor to Obama, so you really haven't produced anything of substance of who he actually is, what his plans are, or any substansive proposition that demonstrates he doesn't have the interest of this country at heart.

In fact, everything says he does, from his stance agansit the harm that trade agreements like NAFTA have had on this country's working people, to wanting to put pressure through the WTO to stop how some countries play unfairly with their currency as they trade with us, so we end up losing...

At least know what you are criticizing before you attempt to do so.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8042020 - 02/19/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This part about “fixing our souls” what the fuck does that mean and how are they going to "FIX MY SOUL"


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8042318 - 02/19/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The ethics reforms are nice FG. Now, next to no one can choose to bother going to the website to see Exactly how their tax dollars are being blown. Less the 12% even bothered to research the candidate they voted for on-line.

How many of us already know what is being blown on the Iraq war, want the spending cut off and troops brought home, and have no ability to stop it. What good is knowing exact figures? What does it really change?

Why do I need a new costly government town hall web-site to pitch a beef to the government for? It sound's nice, yet, I can write my state Congressional Reps and Senators anytime directly about my beefs. What exactly has changed?

This is all hollow feel good crap at the end of the day FG.




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His stances on education and rural development seem very keen and capable of being quite effective, which will both greatly affect the lives of average Americans


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What exactly are those stances?

The tax cuts for teachers are great for teachers. They make up a little over 1% of the U.S. population. How does it benefit you or I? 

You do realize that the cutting of subsidies to gas and oil companies will increase the cost of gas and thereby other goods.

Though I am for this because I want to see alternatives be able to compete better, they will be competing at the higher price margins for possibly decades until new alternative can be made cheaper by mass production.

Thats a catch 22 benefit. We will all deal with short term loss at paying higher prices for a distant future gain in cleaner air and energy Independence.

And that comment applies if I bother to give his campaign RHETORIC any credibility. As far as walking his talk, he voted to pass billions in Bush giveaways to the oil companies. Hillary didn't. Not that I am for her either. :puke:


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He is going to force people living pay check to paycheck to buy health insurance they can't afford from his buddies....




Source? :what:




You heard me. The Obama plan would mandate health care coverage for children with a specific enforcement mechanism. He won't expansiate on what that is though on his site. From other reading, it was compared to Hillary's forced check deductions for adults too. What good is that if the forced payments run these families out of the homes or cut into their food budget? 





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For people who actually think, all the information is there for what he stands for and what he will seek to accomplish as President


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Great. Then you will have no trouble finding out for me, since you can think and I can't, how Obamas mandate for children's health care coverage will be paid for and enforced. :grin:


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I don't see anything to fear from a "world government"




Me either as long as my daughter or her children or their children have an intergalactic space ship, and the freedom to take it to another habitable world, if they don't like the way this planet is being governed.

I am going to call BULL SHIT on your take of this as well. You have a lot of nerve or at least a bad memory, calling me paranoid and pretending your okay with it with a One world government.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=97266

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fireworks_god said:

I'm asking for advice on something happening in my life, and I'm asking because I need to plan ahead for this looming recession fear nonsense. To make a long story short, I am moving soon to Romania to live with a friend I'm in love with, and I was originally planning on wrapping up the last things I need to wrap up and flying out towards the end of March, beginning of April.

I'm hearing talk of what might happen tomorrow, and it is sounding serious. I wonder how much time I can afford to wait in this country before it becomes too late to get the hell out of here? 

I'm wondering because I get paid on Thursday and I have a significant amount of money (for me, six hundred bucks ) that I'm about to put down on my truck, but if it is necessary, I will say fuck the truck (it is almost paid off, and it sits in their lot now because the transmission went out and the city towed it when it snowed and now they have it there - the plan was to pay to get it fixed, give it to my ex-girlfriend, and she would pay me back the money by the time I was to leave).

I don't know if I have months, and now it sounds like I don't have days. I lost my passport and am waiting for my mom to get me a new copy of my birth certificate (lost that too ). I need to know if I should pay more to get it to me in, say, two days, instead of four weeks. I also need to know if I should pull all of my money in from further payments on anything and secure myself a plane ticket for sometime next week.

I prefer to wait to leave when I had originally intended, towards the end of March, so I could save up enough money to hold onto for awhile there, so I could take the time to finish everything unresolved here. The fear about the economy, though, is now making me wonder if I should fear for the worst as well, and simply bail A.S.A.P.




I'm a none thinking person as you called me so of course you didn't expect me to go there. :smirk:




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At least know what you are criticizing before you attempt to do so.




I think I proved I do smart ass.

Obama intentionally became a member of TWO groups whose soul goals are working towards a globalist Agenda. He also intentionally chose a Foreign Policy adviser who shares in that goal.

What more proof do you need to acknowledge that Obama is working towards the same globalist agenda?

Weather that is good thing or not is debatable, not that he isn't working for it.

Don't even bother trying to debate that a One World Government is a good thing. You were ready to flee yours when it was looking scary. What are people going to do when there is no where to flee to if it gets scary looking?

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8042327 - 02/19/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've never been proud of my country.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: afoaf]
    #8042356 - 02/19/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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afoaf said:
I've never been proud of my country.




is anybody in California?


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8042366 - 02/19/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Our country will never have a Black Or Woman president...sorry...and if we did have a nigger president He'll be assasniated


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8042376 - 02/19/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

u must be from Pennsylvania.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8042381 - 02/19/08 11:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nope


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8042419 - 02/19/08 11:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

none of the californians with a grasp of history do.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: afoaf]
    #8042524 - 02/19/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't get why she wants to be the First Lady of such a horrible country...
Oh i know she wants to "Change" the most rich, and most free nation in human history......

u would be surprised how many "independents" are proud of this country. Keep talking Mrs. poor little victim, the GOP loves you!


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8042532 - 02/19/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

She wants to give niggers money so welfare goes broke.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8042599 - 02/19/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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She wants to give niggers money so welfare goes broke.




Where the fuck did you come from?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042621 - 02/19/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My mom.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8042863 - 02/19/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
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buckwheat said:
Change!

her new name should be obamarosa.




:lol: +100




OMG I KNOW! :lol: I can't believe how BLACK she is? hahaha who does she think she is with her RHETORIC!

RON PAUL FTW!

(there is some really intelligent debate going on about Barack Obama!)


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8042876 - 02/19/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'll get the rope...


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8042882 - 02/19/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Go away.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8042887 - 02/19/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'll get the rope...




NOW you're talking like a patriot! Glad to see so many Republicans putting Michelle in her place!










:thumbdown:

You really do have no business in here. Take a hike.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8042898 - 02/19/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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gluke bastid said:
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I'll get the rope...




NOW you're talking like a patriot! Glad to see so many Republicans putting Michelle in her place!



That actually seems to be a Democrat. Robert Byrd style.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8042908 - 02/19/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'll get the rope...




NOW you're talking like a patriot! Glad to see so many Republicans putting Michelle in her place!



That actually seems to be a Democrat. Robert Byrd style.




I have no idea who Robert Byrd is. But really, despite my hatred for both parties we don't need to stoop a level of deciding which one is more prone to lynching. Best to just ignore dumbfounded alltogether, IMO.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8042983 - 02/19/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Change!

her new name should be obamarosa.




:lol: +100




OMG I KNOW! :lol: I can't believe how BLACK she is? hahaha who does she think she is with her RHETORIC!

RON PAUL FTW!

(there is some really intelligent debate going on about Barack Obama!)




Give me a break. We are allowed to have some fun here. The post is making fun of Mrs Obama being proud to be an American for the first time in her life because of all the hope she sees. She isn't running for President and it isn't about Obama. Everything in here about Obama is technically off topic.

While I am here and you are carrying on about having intelligent Obama discussions, note that I posted elsewhere, facts on what Obama has done and you chimed in with your need for hopeful words about the future being preferable to facts of the past. You call wanting hopeful words over facing facts something that will incite intelligent discussion?

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8043008 - 02/19/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe we should leave the Obama's alone.

They are going to fix our souls! :thumbup:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8043033 - 02/19/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

kjjj


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8043116 - 02/19/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe we should leave the Obama's alone.

They are going to fix our souls! :thumbup:




Oh Yeah!:grin:

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8043127 - 02/19/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We sure are allowed to have fun in here, and I was doing the same.

It is funny to me that anyone would make a comparison between Michelle Obama and Omarosa, and I reserve the right to poke fun at you for seeing any validity in it. If you don't like being stereotyped in response to your stereotyping, than don't stereotype to begin with.

If you would like to have a serious intellectual discussion about the similarities between Omarosa and Michelle Obama, by all means, enlighten us as to what makes these two women comparable.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8043217 - 02/19/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That's cool if you want to poke fun of my finding it funny. Let it fly!!! :thumbup:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8043232 - 02/19/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8043272 - 02/19/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Christ but you're fucking stupid.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8043359 - 02/19/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8043421 - 02/19/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Can we just cut to the chase and ban this clown?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gluke bastid]
    #8043425 - 02/19/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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If you don't like being stereotyped in response to your stereotyping, than don't stereotype to begin with.





self owned

You should take some of your own advice,how do you know i am white?

i won't even argue how the two compare i guess if you get it you get it.

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: buckwheat]
    #8043446 - 02/19/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Leave the troll alone and he'll go away. He'll find something better to do once he comes down off those shrooms. Too bad the same thing doesn't work with our neo-con fascists.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zorbman]
    #8043781 - 02/19/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Can we just cut to the chase and ban this clown?




Seriously.

Also, I've haven't seen a flip-flopper like Fireworks_God in quite some time. How do you go from small-government, get rid of the IRS Ron Paul to free health care for everyone Obama? It blows my mind.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Redstorm]
    #8043866 - 02/19/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Also, I've haven't seen a flip-flopper like Fireworks_God in quite some time. How do you go from small-government, get rid of the IRS Ron Paul to free health care for everyone Obama? It blows my mind.




Yeah, what's up with that FG?

First you threw poor Dennis Kucinich under the bus, then you hopped on the Ron Paul bandwagon, and now you are on the Barrack Obama train.

That's a lot of traveling.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8046123 - 02/20/08 04:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The ethics reforms are nice FG. Now, next to no one can choose to bother going to the website to see Exactly how their tax dollars are being blown. Less the 12% even bothered to research the candidate they voted for on-line.

How many of us already know what is being blown on the Iraq war, want the spending cut off and troops brought home, and have no ability to stop it. What good is knowing exact figures? What does it really change?

Why do I need a new costly government town hall web-site to pitch a beef to the government for? It sound's nice, yet, I can write my state Congressional Reps and Senators anytime directly about my beefs. What exactly has changed?

This is all hollow feel good crap at the end of the day FG.




Nonsense. An organized, easily accessible collection on the net which includes, from lobbying reports, ethics records, campaign finance filings, and corporate tax-breaks, to reports on lobbying by federal contracters, which contracts they receive, and how well they perform sounds like a great step towards making oversight of government by the people expedited. He's proposing to require having his Cabinet officials hold national, broadband townhall meetings, where they will discuss issues with their agencies, and also to have more of the signfigant business of executive branch regulatory agencies open to the public. He has an act that seeks to make available the name of a legislator proposing an earmark, as well as a written explanation for the earmark by them, 72 hours before it can be approved by the full Senate. He's seeking to get rid of no-bid contracts above $25,000....

I think its intriguing that you would propose that measures taken to make oversight of government by the people and to find ways for them to become more involved, especially through the power of the Internet, "feel good crap" simply because a majority of Americans do not inform themselves or participate.

A transparent, open government is to be strived for, and this proposition that Obama puts forth is a great step towards the ideal.



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What exactly are those stances?




I'm not going to propose these stances for discussion in this thread to prevent this from ballooning out of proportion, but they are readily accessible and I'll definitely look towards making a new thread to discuss rural development because it is of particular interest to me.

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The tax cuts for teachers are great for teachers. They make up a little over 1% of the U.S. population. How does it benefit you or I?




Do you really not know how measures to create incentive for teachers would benefit the other 99% of the population? The last I was aware, most everyone receives public schooling. I can't immediately find the source regarding a tax cut for teachers, but there is a comprehensive plan for recruiting, preparing, retaining, and rewarding teachers, from scholarships to expanding mentoring programs and so on.

I think it is pretty evident that the educational system is in a pretty poor state, and I think it is the one thing that can improve all things. More wise investment makes sense to me. He's proposing a move towards focusing more on education, politically and as a country, and its a good direction to move in.   

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You do realize that the cutting of subsidies to gas and oil companies will increase the cost of gas and thereby other goods.

Though I am for this because I want to see alternatives be able to compete better, they will be competing at the higher price margins for possibly decades until new alternative can be made cheaper by mass production.

Thats a catch 22 benefit. We will all deal with short term loss at paying higher prices for a distant future gain in cleaner air and energy Independence.




Well, its really a question of how the subsides are cut, as well as how the growth of an alternative energy market is supported. I'm sure if you cut all of it immediately, such would be the case. Its hard to say specifically what is being proposed regarding this, or his energy policy in general, due to the nature of reality (candidates don't typically release 1000 page plans like they produce when they are actually in office :smirk:), but his stances do shape a direction and an outline of the means that will be used to take the country in that direction, and it seems like a great direction to go in - energy independence and removing obstructions that prevent an alternative energy market from springing forth.

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And that comment applies if I bother to give his campaign RHETORIC any credibility. As far as walking his talk, he voted to pass billions in Bush giveaways to the oil companies. Hillary didn't. Not that I am for her either. :puke:




If you are referring to his voting for the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (any information quoted by me is from this link), I see no reason to believe it is any sign of not standing for his expressed views on the matter. The Act was full of incentives for alternative energy expansion, from loan guarantees for innovative technology that avoid the release of greenhouse gases, tripling the amount of biofuel to be mixed in with gasoline, a grant program for biomass, etc. etc. etc. Here's a list of the tax cuts by area:

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$4.3 billion for nuclear power
$2.8 billion for fossil fuel production
$2.7 billion to extend the renewable electricity production credit
$1.6 billion in tax incentives for investments in clean coal facilities
$1.3 billion for conservation and energy efficiency
$1.3 billion for alternative motor vehicles and fuels (ethanol, methane, liquified natural gas, propane)




His vote clearly isn't as antithetical to his views as you would make it seem. Clearly some of the energy bill gave incentives and subsidies to oil corporations, maybe 1/3 of the money went to fossil fuel production, but a vote agansit the bill is a vote agansit the progress that is made in all of the other important areas, and, at the very most, voting on the bill can be seen as a compromise in order to get results on creating change for the future. At first you made it seem that he was acting in the interest of the oil industry, just as Bush and Cheney have, but since the bill gives more subsidies and tax cuts to alternative energy, I think this perspective is not credible.

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You heard me. The Obama plan would mandate health care coverage for children with a specific enforcement mechanism. He won't expansiate on what that is though on his site. From other reading, it was compared to Hillary's forced check deductions for adults too. What good is that if the forced payments run these families out of the homes or cut into their food budget?




Yes, I heard you, but when I heard you, I did not hear any reference to any sort of source, which is why I asked. 

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Great. Then you will have no trouble finding out for me, since you can think and I can't, how Obamas mandate for children's health care coverage will be paid for and enforced. :grin:




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Subsidies: Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.




I think that he is proposing that to help in any situation in which they couldn't afford to cover the mandated child coverage. Perhaps when I said "everything" it was not intended to mean that every singluar facet of complex plans has been put forward by any candidate, but I can understand how you would have assumed I meant as much. Obama's policies seem much more sensible and pragmatic, the only real question, as you put forth, is regarding the mandate for child coverage. I personally don't see having insurance as much of an issue, perhaps reforms to bring down health care costs themselves more important, but most Americans are concerned about health insurance and want solutions, so its only natural that he would seek to represent the people.

Also, I don't understand your original assertion that he would force people to buy insurance from his "buddies". What makes you think that either Hillary or Obama, in proposing health insurance reform, are working in the interest of health insurance providers? The fact is that, in order to push the changes they are seeking, they will face opposition from lobbyists for these industries. They might get some more customers but the whole game changes. Here's an article regarding the mandate vs. incentive debate resultant from their two plans.

Mandate Vs. Incentive

In it, Obama seems to be asking the same question you are about mandates, which, coupled with the above idea I took from his Blueprint for Change in response to your question of how he would pay for the mandate, which would help anyone who couldn't afford to have coverage, seems to suggest that he is not proposing that he would garnish wages of those that can't afford to cover their children. Here is what he said:

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“You can mandate it, but there’s still going to be people who can’t afford it. And if they cannot afford it, then the question is: What are you going to do about it? Are you going to fine them? Are you going to garnish their wages?” he said during the same debate.





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Me either as long as my daughter or her children or their children have an intergalactic space ship, and the freedom to take it to another habitable world, if they don't like the way this planet is being governed.




First off, selectively quoting from a sentence when you exclude a prepositional phrase is misleading, as you have removed the short phrase from the proper context in which it was placed. The point, of course, is that the existence of a world government, in and of itself, is neutral, in that it is not automatically inherent in its existence that it will be detrimental to the people of this planet or that it will infringe upon the rights of the people. With this country, if one doesn't like the way in which the government is run, one seeks to change it, although the option is there to leave to another country, and, as you pointed out, it is not as though one can leave this planet for another (yet).

I think the nature of reality is that, if there is one human being, there will be more human beings, and, if there is more, there will be some system of management of the course human beings as a whole take. I think its pretty evident that, at some point in time, humans won't have anywhere to run from the problems that arise from the fact that there are other humans and a subsequent system, and that it will be necessary to work together to figure out a beneficial way for all to live.

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I am going to call BULL SHIT on your take of this as well. You have a lot of nerve or at least a bad memory, calling me paranoid and pretending your okay with it with a One world government.




First off, I didn't call you paranoid; I clearly stated that what you said sounded paranoid. There is a distinction between ideas presented for discussion and the personal nature of those presenting them. Secondly, its pretty bad form to produce an unrelated, personal discussion from a different website to engage in personalisms in a political discussion. :thumbdown:

Yet, thirdly, the context in which you placed my post at the RonPaulForums is so fucking wrong that I'll forgive all of that and respond anyways. :smirk:


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I'm asking for advice on something happening in my life, and I'm asking because I need to plan ahead for this looming recession fear nonsense. To make a long story short, I am moving soon to Romania to live with a friend I'm in love with, and I was originally planning on wrapping up the last things I need to wrap up and flying out towards the end of March, beginning of April.

I'm hearing talk of what might happen tomorrow, and it is sounding serious. I wonder how much time I can afford to wait in this country before it becomes too late to get the hell out of here? 

I'm wondering because I get paid on Thursday and I have a significant amount of money (for me, six hundred bucks ) that I'm about to put down on my truck, but if it is necessary, I will say fuck the truck (it is almost paid off, and it sits in their lot now because the transmission went out and the city towed it when it snowed and now they have it there - the plan was to pay to get it fixed, give it to my ex-girlfriend, and she would pay me back the money by the time I was to leave).

I don't know if I have months, and now it sounds like I don't have days. I lost my passport and am waiting for my mom to get me a new copy of my birth certificate (lost that too ). I need to know if I should pay more to get it to me in, say, two days, instead of four weeks. I also need to know if I should pull all of my money in from further payments on anything and secure myself a plane ticket for sometime next week.

I prefer to wait to leave when I had originally intended, towards the end of March, so I could save up enough money to hold onto for awhile there, so I could take the time to finish everything unresolved here. The fear about the economy, though, is now making me wonder if I should fear for the worst as well, and simply bail A.S.A.P.




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I'm a none thinking person as you called me so of course you didn't expect me to go there. :smirk:




No, as I referred to, I wouldn't think someone would go there because it is pretty childish, and the fact that the point you were trying to make by referencing it in this childish manner was wrong makes it sad to the point that it is amusing. :smirk:

At the time, there was a lot of discussion of where the dollar was headed and where the stock market was headed and I was at a point where I was planning an international trip as well as finances relating to it. As I have never consciously lived through financial instability as was occuring, I had no frame of reference as to how quickly things could slide down the tubes. Therefore, I posted a question to people who are more informed than I am regarding economic matters if I was safe in waiting and putting my money into other things that did not directly secure for me a plane ticket. As my moving was very important to me, it was my responsibility to consider all possibilities and account for them.

Hello, not knowing something and asking for more information because you need to plan a course of action is not being paranoid. It is being responsible. It is the financial equivalent of checking the weather report to see if it will rain tomorrow, so you can plan a family outing accordingly. I really don't see any reason you would mention this but to make some attempt to pull one over on me, but it clearly failed.


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I think I proved I do smart ass.




Yes, I was responding to the typical attacks on Obama for not having any substance ideaologically, and you are the first person to reply back with some substance, so, even though there was long odds agansit it, I shouldn't have made an assumption. :wink:

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Obama intentionally became a member of TWO groups whose soul goals are working towards a globalist Agenda. He also intentionally chose a Foreign Policy adviser who shares in that goal.




Yes, and he's also proposed that, in foreign policy, he would talk with all nations, friends and enemies. How do you know that he didn't join up so he could better know what he was up agansit? :lol: Point is, the simple fact that he is associated with these groups doesn't equate into anything regarding his policy or how he would act as President. The fact that almost every politican joins a lot of groups and committees like these could suggest its simply a political maneuver. Maybe he's working for them as a puppet strategically placed to destroy America from within and let the Chinese come in and steal our eyeballs. :naughty:

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What more proof do you need to acknowledge that Obama is working towards the same globalist agenda?




Something more than the simple fact that he politically affiliated himself with some group that has its own take on everything. Regardless, even if it was true and its this huge operation, nearly every single politician belongs to it, and, since Ron Paul isn't going to be President, I'm at least going to take that possibility out of the equation long enough to consider the stance these politicans put forth on issues and everything else pertinent and vote for the one that seems more inclined to take the country into a better direction, and Obama actually stands for a lot of the same ideas that brought me to support Ron Paul.

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Don't even bother trying to debate that a One World Government is a good thing. You were ready to flee yours when it was looking scary. What are people going to do when there is no where to flee to if it gets scary looking?




:rofl2:

See, this is probably why you shouldn't have even opened up that can of childish worms. My plans to move to another country were in place long before I made that post, which was simply made to solicit economic advise so that I could be better informed in making a decision regarding expediting my plans. My plans have nothing to do with the nature of this country, and entirely to do with personal reasons, and if I was fleeing America because of bad government, I certainly wouldn't move to a country that is a member of the European Union. Get a grip. :lol:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zorbman]
    #8046457 - 02/20/08 09:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Also, I've haven't seen a flip-flopper like Fireworks_God in quite some time. How do you go from small-government, get rid of the IRS Ron Paul to free health care for everyone Obama? It blows my mind.




Yeah, what's up with that FG?

First you threw poor Dennis Kucinich under the bus, then you hopped on the Ron Paul bandwagon, and now you are on the Barrack Obama train.

That's a lot of traveling.




It would have been funnier if you had said the Ron Paul blimp. :tongue:

In all honesty, I haven't flip-flopped ideaologically, and I support Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, and Barack Obama.

I've been generally interested in politics, but its nothing I've ever actively followed until this election, mostly due to my young age. :wink: Dennis Kucinich is what drew me in. :smile: I think I watched a video or two of his in this forum, and the idea of a Presidental candidate saying what he was saying was like :shocked: :yesnod: I don't think I ever really sought out too much more on him, I don't think the campaigns were really even picking up their momentum then, but he is an inspiration, and I love what he stands for and the fact that he brought me into all of this.

I learned about Ron Paul the same way a little bit later, and thought it was cool that there was a similar candidate on the other side, but didn't really pay attention or learn about who he was until some time before the November 5th moneybomb, whose success I was skeptical of before it happened. :lol: The more I learned about Ron Paul, the more I loved him, and his ideas resonated perfectly with me. It is through Ron Paul that I really developed a political perspective and real stances on issues. Becoming involved with and following Ron Paul's campaign has been nothing but a catalyst for my own growth and development. I regard Ron Paul as one of the greatest Americans ever, and the ideals he has selflessly stood for and the movement that has built up underneath him I regard very solemnly.

My support for Obama is far less ideaological and much more practical. A friend from work who I've discussed politics a lot with, usually centered around Ron Paul, mentioned that I should check him out, and after Super Tuesday, when it became bitterly clear that, despite all of his unprecedented success and the power of his message, Ron Paul simply had no chance of winning this nomination (media slant partly but owing more to the incompetance of his official campaign and the natural limitations of the grass-roots and the simple fact that the country, for whatever reason, simply wasn't ready for that kind of change), I might as well take a look to what was left. I already knew enough about Hillary to not even consider the bitch, and was quite aware that McCain is not any kind of option from what I learned from following Ron Paul's campaign, so I decided to find out what was up with Obama.
:sherlock:

I checked out his Blueprint for Change and a lot of the ideas he put forth made sense. I concluded that, if I can't have someone who will drastically reduce and restrain the federal government to keep it from fucking everything up, I might as well support someone who will use it more effectively to lead the country forward. Its not much more than the lesser evil bit, and I'm still researching stuff like his voting record, but for the most part he's looking like the best course for America that actually has potential to manifest this time around, and I'm not so pointlessly idealistic to write-in Ron Paul's name. :lol:

So, there you have it, no jumping on the bandwagon, simply a path of entering into politics and learning and expanding and facing reality. What a journey. :mushroom2: :smirk:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8046517 - 02/20/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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In all honesty, I haven't flip-flopped ideaologically, and I support Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, and Barack Obama.




I know, bro. Was just having some fun with ya. :tongue:

I think a lot of people are having to make the same sort of decisions as their favorite candidate gets bumped off. I am coming around to Obama myself for some of the reasons you cited. But I still have questions about him and I would prefer it he were more centrist. Jiggy has probably done more than anyone here to steer people in the direction of asking hard questions rather than focusing on fluff (although she ventured there briefly as well).


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zorbman]
    #8046653 - 02/20/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, you're not the one who mentioned the term, but I was just replying more generally because it does look like quite the leap in some respects. :lol:

Honestly though, Obama's (at least talking :smirk:) about a lot of the same things Ron Paul is, your signature is a great example. Jiggy's campaign agansit accepting him at face-value is valuable, even as I personally have followed the same approach as I had with Ron Paul (I have the feeling her conceptions regarding my regard for Obama are flat wrong), but a lot of the views she has put forth agansit him aren't based in much substance.

Case in point, his vote for the energy bill of 2005, and I'll begin working to analyze more of his votes. As you've already put forth in another recent thread, context is important, because its altogether too easy to make people look like hypocrites by reducing a complex subject down to "he voted for the Bush/Cheney subsidize the oil companies" bill. :smirk:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8046672 - 02/20/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Honestly though, Obama's (at least talking :smirk:) about a lot of the same things Ron Paul is,






is that a joke?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8046689 - 02/20/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, it isn't, their only divergence is government's role in seeking out change. Their stance on Iraq, and foreign policy in general are pretty much the same. Then you can take a look on their stances on government secrecy, some aspects of government spending, governemnt collusion with corporations, trade agreements, Washington...

I didn't say they were spitting images of each other; I said they were both talking about a lot of the same things.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8046690 - 02/20/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with her. I have never been proud of my country in my adult life. Wars, prison, the Patriot Act... How can one be proud of these things our country has done, and the sheepish way the American people have supported atrocities? I'm proud of the ideals America espouses but I don't think the vast majority of Americans live up to the promises they've made.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8046710 - 02/20/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

foreign policy....

They probably both hate the evil Jews.....


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: kriminalelement]
    #8046725 - 02/20/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have spent many years overseas and every time i come back to American i kiss the ground!


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8046908 - 02/20/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Then what is the greater context which Barrack voted along with Bush to give Oil companies billions in subsidies?

There is a lot of time between now and Nov.

What are you going to say when you run around telling people that Obama is against oil/gas subsidies and they bring up his vote for them?

What are you going to say when you run around telling people that Obamas health care plan has no mandates enforcing people to purchase it and they bring up his enforced mandate for children posted right on his own web-site?

What are you going to say when you run around telling people that he is against Nafta, when they bring up that he voted in suport of extending the super highway into South America?

You still have these issues to clear up unless it's okay with you that he doesn't walk his talk.

For future reference, using his ethics talk about transparency and a discussion web-site is weak sauce for convincing people that we will bring positive change to ending corruption in Washington.

Like I said, we already know where a lot of our money goes and knowing it, does nothing to help us change it. Further, how many Americans are going to bother checking in with that web-site? Those who want to know where our money is going can already find that info all over the net. It's nothing new he is bringing to the table. Same goes with my ability to stay on top of bills coming up for a vote and my ability to write or call my state senators and congressmen if I have a beef with them. Who needs a new government run web-site to be able to do this?

It's feel good fluff.

Sure RP talks about transparency as well and he is talking about really bringing us something we have ZERO access to like TELEVISED-Federal Reserve Board discussions, the people who help create the bubbles that threw a lot of hard working American families, who trust the feds, out into the streets.

He wants the the plunge protection group exposed, the group that supports falling markets from behind the scenes, with tax payer money, making it look like the markets are more sound to the novice, then they actually are, causing the average Joe to make poor investment choices.


Can I at least ask this of you. Please stop trying to say that Paul and Obama are a lot alike. They are nothing alike, even if Obama rips off Paul's material in speech, he has nothing to back it up with like Paul does, and it's an insult to the integrity of which Paul has held office with.

Don't clarify those other issues for me either. Do it so you can back your talk when someone else calls you on it, and so you can be more clear about the level of self delusion you are living in regarding the Obama hype sweeping the nation.

I know a lot of us were enjoying the excitement of some real hope with Paul's campaign before the primaries. It's been a huge let down and I know a lot of Paul supporters jumped to the Obama ship to get that feeling of excitement and hope back. It's hollow with Obama though. And you'll realize that sooner or later.

What you call pointless idealism (writing pauls name in)I call the least I can do for a man who took a pay cut and put himself out there to take a heap of ridicule and scorn for over the last twenty years to work for my insured freedoms under the U.S. Constitution.

I've never given a damn about the popularity contests or being associated with whats popular or an "electable winner" if it doesn't jibe with me, hence my registration with the Green party since I have been an active voter, until Paul came along. What you would also call, pointless idealism votes for them, I call having the sense to know that a non interventionist foreign policy deserves my support for as long as the concept is still alive and kicking.

Supporting a CFR, Tri Lat globalist member is out of the question for me. I have zero respect for anyone who works with people who see me as nothing more then cattle to be bought and sold, something to be slowly poisoned into a stupor and then brainwashed, and think that they know what is better for me then I do.

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047273 - 02/20/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047295 - 02/20/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I find it funny that the Mccain camp is trying to say that Cindy Mccain is the one who thought up the idea to go after Michelle Obama about this comment.

I have trouble believing that dolled-up nut-case has the mental faculties to think up anything. Her mental imbalance is well known and her as first lad would make Betty Ford look like Jackie Kennedy.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047302 - 02/20/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT FINDS THE OBAMAS TO BE CREEPY!



NO
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but i'm an atheist....



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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047307 - 02/20/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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her as first lad




If we ever had a gay President would his boyfriend be designated "first lad"?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047310 - 02/20/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I find it funny that the Mccain camp is trying to say that Cindy Mccain is the one who thought up the idea to go after Michelle Obama about this comment.




Link?
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I have trouble believing that dolled-up nut-case has the mental faculties to think up anything. Her mental imbalance is well known and her as first lad would make Betty Ford look like Jackie Kennedy.




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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047320 - 02/20/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



when i first saw her on stage with McCain her eyes gave me the Creeps.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047324 - 02/20/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

She wants to eat your soul. And you want her to.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8047364 - 02/20/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I do love older women:grin:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8047375 - 02/20/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You know the comments I refer to. One of Mccain's campaign staffers was on Meet the Press the other night and said it was a completely off-the-cuff and unplanned remark.

And is not common knowledge that she admittedly stole from her own non-profit organization to feed her prescription drug habit? Don't tell me you didn't know this. You're well informed. And didn't she also fly off the handle in 2000 and claim that GWB was spreading rumors that she had an illegitimate black baby?

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047506 - 02/20/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

at least she is proud to be an American. (even if shes on Valium when she says it.):thumbup:


“I am proud of my country. I don’t know about you? If you heard those words earlier, I am very proud of my country,” Mrs. McCain said while revving up the crowd and introducing her husband.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047515 - 02/20/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

She's probably proud to be an American because its the only country you can steal money from kids in Africa, use that money to buy drugs illegally, admit this to your husband who is in the Senate, and just happen to get off with no charges filed whatsoever.

What a great fucking country, if you're filthy rich and fucking a hero.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047516 - 02/20/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I really don't. I don't watch tv and have probably never watched MTP.

By the way, I have never heard McCain campaign on the value of his wife. He isn't a Clinton dick with his two for one nonsense.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047517 - 02/20/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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She's probably proud to be an American because its the only country you can steal money from kids in Africa, use that money to buy drugs illegally, admit this to your husband who is in the Senate, and just happen to get off with no charges filed whatsoever.

What a great fucking country, if you're filthy rich and fucking a hero.




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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8047519 - 02/20/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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“I am proud of my country. I don’t know about you? If you heard those words earlier, I am very proud of my country,” Mrs. McCain said while revving up the crowd and introducing her husband.





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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047522 - 02/20/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I still have no idea what you were blathering about. Stealing money from Starvin' Marvin? What the fuck are you talking about?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8047530 - 02/20/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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What the fuck are you talking about?




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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3295472.ece
It was in the late 1980s, after a series of miscarriages and giving birth to three children, that Cindy developed spinal problems and was prescribed painkillers after surgery. Her husband and family had no idea she was secretly taking pills stolen from a charity she had created called the American Voluntary Medical Team, which sent mobile surgical units to war zones. When federal agents began to investigate gaps in the charity’s records, Cindy telephoned her husband, a senator in Washington, and confessed.

She admitted at the time that the 1994 episode had “nearly destroyed both of us”. But she underwent treatment and attended meetings of Narcotics Anonymous as part of a deal with prosecutors who dropped charges.




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In 1989, Cindy McCain became addicted to opioid painkillers such as Percocet and Vicodin.[22] She later attributed her addiction to pain following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs[23][24] as well as emotional stress during her husband's entanglement in the Keating Five scandal of that time,[22] which also involved her role as a bookkeeper who had difficulty finding receipts of Keating-related expenses.[14] The addiction progressed to the point where she resorted to stealing drugs from her own AVMT.[23] During 1992, Tom Gosinski, the director of government and international affairs for AVMT, discovered her drug theft.[25] Subsequently in 1992, McCain's parents staged an intervention to force her to get help;[14] she told her husband about her problem, attended a drug treatment facility, began outpatient sessions, and ended her three years of addiction;[22] a hysterectomy in 1993 resolved her back pain.[22][24] In January 1993, McCain terminated Gosinski's employment on grounds of budgetary reasons.[25] In spring 1993, Gosinski tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration to investigate McCain's drug theft.[25] Her activities violated federal statutes, so a federal investigation was conducted. McCain's defense team, led by Washington lawyer John Dowd,[25] secured an agreement with the U.S. Attorney's office that limited her punishment to financial restitution and enrollment in a diversion program, [4][25] without anything being made public.

Meanwhile, in early 1994 Gosinski filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against McCain, which he told her he would settle for $250,000.[25] In April 1994, Dowd requested that Maricopa County officials investigate Gosinski for extortion.[25] At this point, the Phoenix New Times was preparing a negatively-cast story about the whole affair and was about to publish it.[25][22] Cindy McCain pre-empted this[22] by publicly revealing her past addiction, stating she hoped it would give fellow drug addicts courage in their struggles: "Although my conduct did not result in compromising any missions of AVMT, my actions were wrong, and I regret them."[4] A flurry of press attention followed, including charges by Gosinski that she had asked him to lie concerning her drug use when the McCains were applying to adopt their baby from Bangladesh[22] and statements by past AVMT employees that Gosinski had once threatened to blackmail her. A few weeks after her announcement, the Variety Club of Arizona canceled its Humanitarian of the Year award dinner in her honor citing poor ticket sales.[4] In the end, both Gosinski's lawsuit and the extortion investigation against him were dropped.[22] AVMT concluded its activities in 1995.[11]




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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047560 - 02/20/08 02:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

reminds me of Dave Chappelle in Half Baked.;)


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047573 - 02/20/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. Let a drug-addicted beauty queen distribute drugs.

That sounds like a top-notch plan.

Meanwhile John Mccain, like the rest of the morons who make up the Right wants to throw everyone who has ever even seen a drug in their life straight into prison.

As long as that person isn't his lovely wife.

What a two-timing, double-talking, hypocritical sonuvabitch. I'm amazed him and Rush don't get along better, since they seem to be spot-on tight with this opinion.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047574 - 02/20/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, I really didn't know. Now I really don't care.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047578 - 02/20/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."

You have to stay at the seat at the table of democracy with a man like Barack Obama not just on Tuesday but in a year from now, in four years from now, in eights years from now, you will have to be engaged."


so does that mean we HAVE to join Y'alls Cult?


Do me and Zap have to go underground if the Obama-maniacs get in the white house?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047586 - 02/20/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I know a man with a bunker and 10 years worth of rations.

I believe he's in Texas too.































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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047591 - 02/20/08 02:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Do me and Zap have to underground *if the Obama-maniacs get in the white house?




*when

And no, your presence will be tolerated. We need Republicans to continue to run the businesses and make money so we can continue throwing it into big swimming pools here in the ghetto for the poor minorities to swim around in.

Everyone will have their place in the new ObamAmerica.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047592 - 02/20/08 02:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm loading the bunker now. Mostly Budweiser and..... mostly Budweiser. Paaaaarty.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: afoaf]
    #8047597 - 02/20/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No he's a Yankee (the only one Ive ever talked with that i can stand.):smirk:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047602 - 02/20/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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No he's a Yankee (the only one Ive ever talked with that i can stand.):smirk:




Are you still mad about the War of Northern Aggression?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8047603 - 02/20/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm loading the bunker now. Mostly Budweiser and..... mostly Budweiser. Paaaaarty.




Yuk! Budweiser! Count me out.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047608 - 02/20/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Do me and Zap have to underground *if the Obama-maniacs get in the white house?




*when

And no, your presence will be tolerated. We need Republicans to continue to run the businesses and make money so we can continue throwing it into big swimming pools here in the ghetto for the poor minorities to swim around in.

Everyone will have their place in the new ObamAmerica.




funny


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047616 - 02/20/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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No he's a Yankee (the only one Ive ever talked with that i can stand.):smirk:




Are you still mad about the War of Northern Aggression?




not at all. i just cant stand rude people in public.

I almost got into a fight with some dude in Chicago once because he said i was looking at him wrong!?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047624 - 02/20/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I spent all summer in Utah, and I got looked at wrong every single fucking day. What a fucked up state/people they are.

I spent a few days working in Amarillo, which is more or less the same thing as Oklahoma. That also sucked.

On the other hand, most of my Dad's family is from Tennessee and I'm down there quite a bit. And it is one of my favoritest places in the world. Absolutely beautiful place w/ wonderful people...


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8047634 - 02/20/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

east, central, or west Tennessee?


i love east Tennessee. i want to hike the Appalachian trail before i die.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8047648 - 02/20/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All over the state, really.

My Grandma and some cousins and their parents live a bit south of Jackson in the far west. But I have some other cousins in Soddy Daisy out east in the hills.

I love the whole place.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
    #8047703 - 02/20/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm loading the bunker now. Mostly Budweiser and..... mostly Budweiser. Paaaaarty.




Yuk! Budweiser! Count me out.




I don't recall inviting you. There is probably nothing more absurd on this great Earth than a beer snob.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
    #8048007 - 02/20/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yuk! Budweiser! Count me out.




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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zorbman]
    #8048292 - 02/20/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We Will NEVER Have A Black NOR Woman President....EVER. IMHO

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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8048298 - 02/20/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They didn't ban you yesterday?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8048299 - 02/20/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There's no reason to im simply stating my opinion


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8048342 - 02/20/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sometimes that's bannable.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8048377 - 02/20/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hfffffffffffffffff


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8050292 - 02/21/08 12:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Then what is the greater context which Barrack voted along with Bush to give Oil companies billions in subsidies?

There is a lot of time between now and Nov.

What are you going to say when you run around telling people that Obama is against oil/gas subsidies and they bring up his vote for them?




I already responded quite well to your last post, in case you convienently missed it. Only 1/3 of the energy bill went to oil subsidies, most of it went to nuclear energy and other means of alternative energy and improving energy efficency. I cited legitamate sources and demonstrated that the issue was much more complex than "Bush/Cheney oh my god oil hypocrite". The simple fact that he voted for it and it did contain a portion of subsidies for oil corporations is far out-weighed by the progressive energy measures included in the bill, which is pretty clearly why he voted for it. Hell, even you said that removing all subsidies out-right would hurt Americans in the short-term, so it only makes sense to wean them off while giving much more to other means of alternative energy.

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What are you going to say when you run around telling people that Obamas health care plan has no mandates enforcing people to purchase it and they bring up his enforced mandate for children posted right on his own web-site?




I didn't tell anyone that his health care plan didn't have any mandates; I clearly stated that his health care plan is not universal. I was already quite aware of the mandate for children's health care coverage, from his website and news articles, thank you very much. Now, what I would say to someone who brought it up, as a response to the question of how it would be enforced, is that it seems pretty clear that Obama does not stand for garnishing wages or fining individuals who already can't afford it. You asked where oh where did he explain himself as to how he would mandate it, and I posted a quotation of his from the same source that said that, if it could not be afforded and someone did not qualify for those safety-net plans, then they would subsidize their coverage.

He also says this in his speeches, so I think your assertion that he would forcibly take money from poor people to make them get health care coverage for their children has been successfully debunked, just like your mischaracterization of his vote on the Energy Policy Act of 2005.

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What are you going to say when you run around telling people that he is against Nafta, when they bring up that he voted in suport of extending the super highway into South America?




I'm going to say create some kind of source for this, because Obama has made thousands of votes and, while I'm actively engaged in reading more and more about his votes, I regret to say that the "build a super highway" vote hasn't yet been come across.

I do believe it is in the rules that it is the responsibility of the poster to produce sources for their claims. Given your track record of misrepresenting one of his votes, I see no reason anyone should give this assertion any credibility until you actually produce some information we can use to review the actuality of the matter.

Also, I didn't state that Obama is agansit NAFTA. I stated that he is agansit the harm that NAFTA has brought to American workers and our economy, as well as other trade practices that have benefited other countries at the expense of our own. I never implied he was agansit NAFTA itself.

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You still have these issues to clear up unless it's okay with you that he doesn't walk his talk.




I already cleared them up, except for the NAFTA superhighway, because you haven't presented enough information for me to research it out for myself. Your inability to read and respond to what I've already presented regarding these same statements is a different story.

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For future reference, using his ethics talk about transparency and a discussion web-site is weak sauce for convincing people that we will bring positive change to ending corruption in Washington.




No it isn't, especially when he has worked to pass bills that work towards this end.

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Like I said, we already know where a lot of our money goes and knowing it, does nothing to help us change it.
Further, how many Americans are going to bother checking in with that web-site? Those who want to know where our money is going can already find that info all over the net. It's nothing new he is bringing to the table. Same goes with my ability to stay on top of bills coming up for a vote and my ability to write or call my state senators and congressmen if I have a beef with them. Who needs a new government run web-site to be able to do this?

It's feel good fluff.




No it isn't; you're simply being obtuse on the matter. Organizing this information for easier accessibility is a good thing. Taking measures to turn back the steps the Bush administration has taken to increase government secrecy is a good thing. Making more executive branch business easily accessible by the people is a good thing. He has a record in the Senate in spearheading, supporting, and voting for ethics reform.

As the Internet becomes more and more a pivotal force in all aspects of life, progressive steps to make government more available through it is a positive step towards greater things. :thumbup:

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Can I at least ask this of you. Please stop trying to say that Paul and Obama are a lot alike. They are nothing alike, even if Obama rips off Paul's material in speech, he has nothing to back it up with like Paul does, and it's an insult to the integrity of which Paul has held office with.




I didn't say they were a lot alike, I stated that they both have said a lot of the same things on some issues. It isn't an insult to Ron Paul, in fact, I think it is great that a prominent politician who has a strong chance of actually being President holds the same stances as Ron Paul does on Iraq and foreign diplomacy.

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Don't clarify those other issues for me either. Do it so you can back your talk when someone else calls you on it, and so you can be more clear about the level of self delusion you are living in regarding the Obama hype sweeping the nation.




:lol:

Eclipsed only by your "anti-Obama" hype. I already called you on the energy vote, and I'd love the chance to review some of the other assertions you've put forth on his vote. It'd make it a lot easier if you would actually cite sources.

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I know a lot of us were enjoying the excitement of some real hope with Paul's campaign before the primaries. It's been a huge let down and I know a lot of Paul supporters jumped to the Obama ship to get that feeling of excitement and hope back. It's hollow with Obama though. And you'll realize that sooner or later.




I hope you aren't trying to cleverly talk about me. I know you would never turn a discussion into a personal matter (at least have the gall to actually reply to my post when I called you on that bullshit), but I can assuredly testify to the fact that I do not support Obama because of "excitement" or "hope", but simply because of the fact that his stances and his plans are far more beneficial for the future of this country and this planet than the two alternatives.

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What you call pointless idealism (writing pauls name in)I call the least I can do for a man who took a pay cut and put himself out there to take a heap of ridicule and scorn for over the last twenty years to work for my insured freedoms under the U.S. Constitution.




Great, but it actually doesn't accomplish anything but a "oh, how cute, x amount of people wrote in Ron Paul and Frank Zappa".  I respect your decision to do so but I have simply expressed that I do not personally see anything result from doing so but the idea that it was done, which, as I personally see no benefit from my doing so, I consider it to be pointless idealism.

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I've never given a damn about the popularity contests or being associated with whats popular or an "electable winner"




Great! Me too. :thumbup:

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What you would also call, pointless idealism votes for them, I call having the sense to know that a non interventionist foreign policy deserves my support for as long as the concept is still alive and kicking.




No, I wouldn't call voting for a candidate who is actually running for President pointless idealism, just individuals who, no matter how respectable and amazing they are, aren't actually campaigning for President.

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Supporting a CFR, Tri Lat globalist member is out of the question for me. I have zero respect for anyone who works with people who see me as nothing more then cattle to be bought and sold, something to be slowly poisoned into a stupor and then brainwashed, and think that they know what is better for me then I do.




Okay, so Obama plans on selling Americans, poisoning them and brainwashing them, and leading the course of their lives for them. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how unsubstantiated or extreme it is. :shrug:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8050414 - 02/21/08 02:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Okay, so Obama plans on selling Americans, poisoning them and brainwashing them, and leading the course of their lives for them. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how unsubstantiated or extreme it is. :shrug:




Wait...Hold on.

So you are the voice of reason now?

My entire world-view is being shattered before my eyes.

Honestly though, I agree with almost everything you said.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8050476 - 02/21/08 03:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've always been the voice of reason. :smirk:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8050522 - 02/21/08 05:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone thanking he will make a good leader for the free world should take the time to read some of his books.
He makes it very clear that does not like the white race.
I'm not just saying this, It was my hope he'd be a good man but hes not.
Just take the time read some of his writings, thats all I'm saying.


OH, and I love my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe if you stopped for just a moment to thank about all the good we do in the world you would to.

We give more aid than any other country in the world by far.
If the US was gone the world would be a darker place.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bigred]
    #8050544 - 02/21/08 05:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

bigred said:
Anyone thanking he will make a good leader for the free world should take the time to read some of his books.
He makes it very clear that does not like the white race.
I'm not just saying this, It was my hope he'd be a good man but hes not.
Just take the time read some of his writings, thats all I'm saying.


OH, and I love my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe if you stopped for just a moment to thank about all the good we do in the world you would to.

We give more aid than any other country in the world by far.
If the US was gone the world would be a darker place.




I finished reading 'The Audacity of Hope' today. Where in that book does he say he 'does not like the white race'?

He said that we should think twice about some republicans who think everything was great in America back in the 'good ole days' of 1913 (think slavery).


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
    #8050851 - 02/21/08 08:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Which country is she talking about? Surely not America lol


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: kake]
    #8050911 - 02/21/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Which country is she talking about? Surely not America lol


be proud of this:






She has nothing to be proud of unless Obama makes good on his word and gets our troops out of Iraq ASAP.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bigred]
    #8051225 - 02/21/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

bigred said:
Anyone thanking he will make a good leader for the free world should take the time to read some of his books.
He makes it very clear that does not like the white race.
I'm not just saying this, It was my hope he'd be a good man but hes not.
Just take the time read some of his writings, thats all I'm saying.





Talk about propaganda. Care to provide some quotes to back up those outrageous claims, bucko?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
    #8051253 - 02/21/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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bradmassive said:

She has nothing to be proud of unless Obama makes good on his word and gets our troops out of Iraq ASAP.


:rofl2:

and then obama will just move them somewhere else....

you guys are sooooo Naive.




"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

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"One of the things that I think is critical, as the next president, is to make absolutely certain that we not only phase out the Iraq but we also focus on the critical battle that we have in Afghanistan and root out al Qaeda. If we do not do that, then we're going to potentially see another attack here in the US."

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Yep Obama is all about PEACE:rofl2:



KROFT: So you would send some troops to Afghanistan. You would bring some troops home, and you would send some troops to other areas in the Middle East.

OBAMA: Right.

KROFT: Where would you send them in the Middle East? And for what purpose?

OBAMA: I think having the potential for an over-the-horizon force, that if you started having some sort of conflagrations that necessitated immediate U.S. action, that we could send them there.

[”Over the horizon” means keeping permanent U.S. bases. troops, fleets, cruise missles and nukes within immediate striking distance of any key part of this region — ready to threaten, bomb or invade anywhere with only minutes notice — while placing the “burden” of day-to-day control over neocolonies in the hands of paid local puppet troops. This was the heart of the “Murtha Plan.”]


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8051374 - 02/21/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Even Ron Paul was a strong proponent of going to war with al-Qaida in Afghanistan and into Pakistan, so I fail to see your point. :shrug:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
    #8051380 - 02/21/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

bradmassive said:
Quote:

bigred said:
Anyone thanking he will make a good leader for the free world should take the time to read some of his books.
He makes it very clear that does not like the white race.
I'm not just saying this, It was my hope he'd be a good man but hes not.
Just take the time read some of his writings, thats all I'm saying.


OH, and I love my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe if you stopped for just a moment to thank about all the good we do in the world you would to.

We give more aid than any other country in the world by far.
If the US was gone the world would be a darker place.




I finished reading 'The Audacity of Hope' today. Where in that book does he say he 'does not like the white race'?

He said that we should think twice about some republicans who think everything was great in America back in the 'good ole days' of 1913 (think slavery).






"The emotions between the races can never be pure;even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselvesWhether we sought our demons or our salvations, the other race would always remain just that; menacing alien apart."

Barack Obama
Dreams of My Father

"the other race would always remain just that; menacing alien apart."


Yep, Obama loves the White man.....


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8051392 - 02/21/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You're reading too much into what he says and coming to your own conclusions.

I wish that Obama would attack the actual foreign policies more though. :sad:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8051413 - 02/21/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

IMO. There will never be a black president or woman so that just cancels them both out, thread closed


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8051449 - 02/21/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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IMO. There will never be a black president or woman so that just cancels them both out, thread closed




Then your opinions are ignorant, foolish and backward, case closed.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
    #8051455 - 02/21/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i think its best just to ignore him. (then he might go away?)


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8051459 - 02/21/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i think its best just to ignore him. (then he might go away?)




I'm sure he should be banned. I got banned from the whole forum for a week for much less.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
    #8051559 - 02/21/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

He's a negro...If he does so however become president. Then 2012 is it this time.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8051563 - 02/21/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Theres backing...IN the entire nation we've never not once had a black president....or a woman....why? because it's cool to be white...

I'm simply stating my opinon..there's no racism involved...It's just how I was raised and taught.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8051572 - 02/21/08 11:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Theres backing...IN the entire nation we've never not once had a black president....or a woman....why? because it's cool to be white...

I'm simply stating my opinon..there's no racism involved...It's just how I was raised and taught.




No racism involved!? You're fucking joking right?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8051623 - 02/21/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i think its best just to ignore him. (then he might go away?)




I've sent an emergency moderator notification to see if someone will quickly temporary ban him from this forum until Phred or Diploid can review the case. :thumbup:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8051637 - 02/21/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm pretty open minded, but I think we can w/out the serious racism here.

I can relate to a joke, and I'll tell them myself. But I get the feeling this guy is serious, which is more than a little creepy.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8051722 - 02/21/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ban for what? Being stupid?


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8051725 - 02/21/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ban for what? Being stupid?




No for being a racist idiot.


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: bradmassive]
    #8051736 - 02/21/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Same thing.  I'm sorry but as long as he follows the rules there should be no ban.  If you could be banned for stupidity there would only be a few of us left:grin:


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Re: Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country’ [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8052951 - 02/21/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I could care less about the race of man, what counts is his character and honesty.
None of those characters are honest.
The world is being lied to about this country by people that would kill every one of you for 4 years in office.
After all, the truth is unimportant, what matters is what we believe to be the truth.
If I stand before a nation and proclaim a falsehood to be true more than half of you would buy it as long as I lean to your side .
And thats what they are doing, even at the cost of turning the American people against each other and causing the world that hates us for being fat and happy to believe
that we are evil people who suck the life from world.
If you live in this country and don't like it try another,
L.H.Oswald did and it work out great for him.


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