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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8470533 - 06/01/08 12:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I gave various real reasons for leaving, I never said what his reasoning was. You have to look beyond a press release.

Any way you look at it it shows what he is made of.

For his own ambitions he has abandoned his own truth (assuming he actually believes what they say). This man is a snake.

He has calculated the damage done by throwing his church under the bus will be less than being associated with that church. The man is being exposed for what he is, a typical racist or squirrel or both.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: fivepointer]
    #8470596 - 06/01/08 12:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I gave various real reasons for leaving, I never said what his reasoning was. You have to look beyond a press release.




Oh really?

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More like his theology is so aberrant that he is trying to run away from it, which isn't going to work since we all can see what they teach. His moves are only drawing more attention to it




So you make accusations that you have no evidence or reasoning to support and then ask me to disprove these ridiculous accusations. OK, let's play by your rules. I hereby accuse you of being a pedophile. Now disprove it, you kiddy diddler. See how stupid this game is?

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For his own ambitions he has abandoned his own truth (assuming he actually believes what they say). This man is a snake.




No, he didn't renounce the church or its teachings. He said that his continued association with the church is hurting both parties and that his church should be free to minister and to do its mission without a bunch of "journalists" prowling around looking for something to use against Obama. Again, from Obama's own mouth:
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Q: There are a lot of people who look at your church, they rightly or wrongly they look at it and see a controversial church based on what they see in the media, what have you. There will be a lot of people who are not going to be happy with the reason why you left which doesn't it appear as though you're denouncing the church? How do you...

BO: I am not denouncing the church. I am not interested in people who want me to denounce the church because it's not a church worthy of denouncing. And so if they've seen caricatures of the church and accept those caricatures despite my insistence that's not what the church is about, then there's not much I can do about it.




But arguing with you is pointless. You don't like Obama and you'll twist any event or any utterance to justify your hatred of him. If he stays in the church, he's a racist. If he quits, he's a "squirrel"(whatever the fuck that means. Does he live in a tree or have a bushy tail or something?) There's nothing he could possibly do to please you, so why should I bother speaking reason to you?


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: fivepointer]
    #8470608 - 06/01/08 12:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

this is why i hate the media. WHO CARES what church he belongs to or quits, as long as it's not dangerous? i have many friends, black and white, religious and not, who believe some of the conspiracy theories of obama's former reverend. so what. so obama quit the church for various reasons, one of which being it was hurting his campaign, SO WHAT. he's running for office, and bush was elected twice (sort of). the american majority is getting dumber by the minute, and tv news is responsible. he knew that he and the church were going to be crucified, sean hannity and bill o' reilly pounding the nails in, if he didn't take some sort of ACTION. simply denouncing the "questionable" remarks obviously did nothing. it's not as if you have to belong to a church to believe in god, and it's not like if you do belong to a church you believe every word out of the preacher's mouth. so he quit, he's still the best candidate there is. hillary's a robot and mccain is a filthy republican that wants to start world war 3.

fuck, man, the so called "elitist" remark sealed my vote for obama. while it may have been the wrong thing for certain people to hear, i grew up with hillbillies and rednecks, and guess what, he was right! that he slipped up and said that, to me, makes me think that he speaks his mind more often than you may think. obviously he's a politician, so we can never know for sure, but one thing is certain, if you think him quitting the church is a big deal you watch too much television.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8470740 - 06/01/08 01:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

rev 766 said:
so he quit,

he's still the best candidate there is.

hillary's a robot and mccain is a filthy republican that wants to start world war 3.

fuck, man, the so called "elitist" remark sealed my vote for obama.

while it may have been the wrong thing for certain people to hear, i grew up with hillbillies and rednecks, and guess what, he was right!

that he slipped up and said that, to me, makes me think that he speaks his mind more often than you may think.







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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8470751 - 06/01/08 01:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:whocares:


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8470759 - 06/01/08 01:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

wait a minute, there are people on a site all about magic mushrooms who support republicans? are you police infiltration or just hypocrites?


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8470764 - 06/01/08 01:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

sorry if that's flaming, i'm just seriously confused. at least obama has stated that he supports decriminalization and that the war on drugs is going badly.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Phred]
    #8471104 - 06/01/08 03:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

From http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/us/politics/01obama.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

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“I’m not denouncing the church, and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the church,” he said in response to a question. “It’s not a church worthy of denouncing.”




That Obama is quite the wordsmith, isn't he?





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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8471191 - 06/01/08 03:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

rev 766 said:
wait a minute, there are people on a site all about magic mushrooms who support republicans? are you police infiltration or just hypocrites?




To paraphrase Phred, there is no evidence that magic mushrooms make you stupid or prevent you from getting your head out of your ass and realizing that gummint is not the answer to your problems. Neither are mushrooms the answer to any problems. Further, anybody who thinks the Dems are more likely to end prohibition needs to check his pander sheet. Medical marijuana is a "who gives two shits" argument. You still need a prescription and I can get morphine with a prescription.

I said it before and I'll say it again, Barry used Wright to jump start his career with inner city blacks. They got him elected in the first place. Particularly inner city black people with a seemingly militant grudge against whitey. That is Barry's core constituency, whether you all like it or not. They put him on the map. He pandered to them and pretended he was one of them and even married one. Neither do I want any of his acquaintances anywhere near a seat of national power.

Whether the grudge held by Barry's core constituency is legitimate or not is irrelevant. You have to ask yourself if that is what you want in the white house. I don't and he certainly is nothing new. His career had been carefully calculated to get him to the Senate. A lofty achievement indeed, but now he finds himself in a much bigger pool and not all the fish are the same. There aren't quite so many of what he used to get where he is now and the people he needs to vote for him in this coming election are not taking too kindly to his stupid pals. Not all heinous examples of these are black, either.

I don't think he has a shot in the general election precisely because of the way he chose to start his career, by pandering to grudge filled bitter Negroes clinging to their whitey conspiracy theories about drugs and AIDS. And terrorists assholes. I can say that because I'm not trying to get those people to vote for me and I don't give a fuck if they are insulted. I bet a lot of them vote for Barry because they think he's their chance for revenge. No thanks.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8471225 - 06/01/08 04:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

rev 766 said:
wait a minute, there are people on a site all about magic mushrooms who support republicans? are you police infiltration or just hypocrites?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S_Thompson

Liberals will never end prohibition, big Government and socialism will never want an end to prohibition.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Phred]
    #8471287 - 06/01/08 04:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

check out Obama's church speech.


"um”


“uh"


"umm”


“uh"

"um”

“uh"


"ummm”


“uh"




this guy's an idiot.



&q=Obama%27s+church+remarks+&ei=twFDSPioC5CUrgKFhOmnCQ&hl=en


http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=Obama's%20church%20speech.%20&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=Obama%20church%20speech&hl=en&sitesearch=



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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Chemy]
    #8471340 - 06/01/08 04:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Chemy said:
Quote:

rev 766 said:
wait a minute, there are people on a site all about magic mushrooms who support republicans? are you police infiltration or just hypocrites?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S_Thompson

Liberals will never end prohibition, big Government and socialism will never want an end to prohibition.


:rofl2:
i like that you linked to HST's wikipedia. i'm not sure what message you're trying to convey. conservatives give no chance of ending prohibition either.

i really hope you're not assuming hunter was conservative, anyone familiar with him at all knows otherwise. you should read "fear and loathing on the campaign trail '72".

if this was a joke, i'm sorry. sarcasm is harder to pick up from a typed word.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8471431 - 06/01/08 05:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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you should read "fear and loathing on the campaign trail '72".




A most excellent recommendation. I've read it maybe four times over the years.

Thompson at his best was great, but "his best" really covers just three of his books - The Hell's Angels, Fear and Loathing in las Vegas and Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72. I loved those three so much I've tried several times really hard to work up enthusiasm for his later works. Unsuccessfully, I'm afraid.

The Campaign Trail is a great read, though.





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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Phred]
    #8471697 - 06/01/08 06:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

BREAKING NEWS: OBAMA ENDS HIS ASSOCIATION WITH THE BLACK RACE

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From Rooters:

ABERDEEN, S.D. (AP) — Barack Obama said Saturday he has ended his 46-year stint as a member of the black race "with some sadness".

"This is not a decision I come to lightly ... and it is one I make with some sadness," he said at a news conference, called on a Saturday in order to avoid the intense scrutiny of the press.

"I'm not denouncing the black race and I'm not interested in people who want me to denounce the black race," he said, adding that his fellow African-Americans "have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them."

Obama said he and his wife have been discussing the issue since Pastor Jeremiah Wright's appearance at the National Press Club in Washington last month that reignited furor over remarks he had made in various sermons at Trinity United Church of Christ.

"I suspect we'll find another race for our family to identify with," Obama said.





http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/06/breaking-news-obama-ends-his.html


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Phred]
    #8472577 - 06/01/08 11:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Phred said:
BREAKING NEWS: OBAMA ENDS HIS ASSOCIATION WITH THE BLACK RACE

Quote:

From Rooters:

ABERDEEN, S.D. (AP) — Barack Obama said Saturday he has ended his 46-year stint as a member of the black race "with some sadness".

"This is not a decision I come to lightly ... and it is one I make with some sadness," he said at a news conference, called on a Saturday in order to avoid the intense scrutiny of the press.

"I'm not denouncing the black race and I'm not interested in people who want me to denounce the black race," he said, adding that his fellow African-Americans "have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them."

Obama said he and his wife have been discussing the issue since Pastor Jeremiah Wright's appearance at the National Press Club in Washington last month that reignited furor over remarks he had made in various sermons at Trinity United Church of Christ.

"I suspect we'll find another race for our family to identify with," Obama said.





http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/06/breaking-news-obama-ends-his.html




:rofl2:

What I don't get concerning the media about him being black:  He is half-white, half-black, ain't he?  So that makes him a black man, but can't make him a white man...?

I can only rationalize that this is the case because being 'white' denotes a certain racial purity, whereupon any mixing of a different race no can long longer be considered such.  It's good enough for him to call himself black, but not white?  Isn't that racism?

People should be willing to embrace Obama for the white man he is.  :heart:


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Seuss]
    #8474384 - 06/02/08 12:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
My mother used to drag me to Catholic church before I grew big enough to resist and I remember them talking about politics quite often... don't vote for the people that allow abortion; don't vote for people that push birth control; don't vote for people that don't agree with Catholic dogma; etc...





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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8475399 - 06/02/08 05:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Minstrel:

There is no half-white

Prisoner:

They risk their tax exempt status. Trinity is going to have a problem.

Phred:

I'm not sure that jerk off (Shmuckabee) qualifies as a conservative on any basis. Though he sure do got him some religion.

Everybody:

The first presidential candidate I recall wrapping himself in his church is.....Dhimmi Carter. The day an avowed atheist can honestly run for president will be the day I sprout horns and a tail.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8475419 - 06/02/08 05:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I said it before and I'll say it again, Barry used Wright to jump start his career with inner city blacks. They got him elected in the first place. Particularly inner city black people with a seemingly militant grudge against whitey. That is Barry's core constituency, whether you all like it or not. They put him on the map. He pandered to them and pretended he was one of them and even married one. Neither do I want any of his acquaintances anywhere near a seat of national power.

Whether the grudge held by Barry's core constituency is legitimate or not is irrelevant. You have to ask yourself if that is what you want in the white house. I don't and he certainly is nothing new. His career had been carefully calculated to get him to the Senate. A lofty achievement indeed, but now he finds himself in a much bigger pool and not all the fish are the same. There aren't quite so many of what he used to get where he is now and the people he needs to vote for him in this coming election are not taking too kindly to his stupid pals. Not all heinous examples of these are black, either



I don't think he has a shot in the general election precisely because of the way he chose to start his career, by pandering to grudge filled bitter Negroes clinging to their whitey conspiracy theories about drugs and AIDS. And terrorists assholes. I can say that because I'm not trying to get those people to vote for me and I don't give a fuck if they are insulted. I bet a lot of them vote for Barry because they think he's their chance for revenge. No thanks..




I get it now. You hate Obama because he's an angry black man, just like most black men. I mean there are some cool ones like Bill Cosby, but do you really want a menacing, threatening guy like Obama in office? I mean, I wouldn't even walk on the same side of the street as him because he'll probably mug me for being white, am I right?


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8475556 - 06/02/08 06:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Yossarian22 said:
am I right?




Nope. Not now and probably not ever outside of a math class in third grade.

If you think that someone who has made his political bones pandering to angry black people is going to get white or hispanic votes enough to win an election for president you need to have a serious stay at a nice spa somewhere. He paid a price to get where he is and it came at the sacrifice of the next step. The landscape is littered with these candidates who couldn't poll their weight.

I hear Gstaad is particularly comfortable.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8475590 - 06/02/08 06:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)


"God Damn the Democrats” -




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