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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8475603 - 06/02/08 06:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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am I right?




Nope. Not now and probably not ever outside of a math class in third grade.

If you think that someone who has made his political bones pandering to angry black people is going to get white or hispanic votes enough to win an election for president you need to have a serious stay at a nice spa somewhere. He paid a price to get where he is and it came at the sacrifice of the next step. The landscape is littered with these candidates who couldn't poll their weight.

I hear Gstaad is particularly comfortable.




Don't you have a cross to burn or something?


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8475611 - 06/02/08 06:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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They risk their tax exempt status.




they shouldnt have tax exempt status, in fact it shouls be taxed as unearned income at all churches


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8475616 - 06/02/08 06:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Not me.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8475627 - 06/02/08 06:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't you have a cross to burn or something?




do people like you and Madtown ever get tired of playing the race card?


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8475696 - 06/02/08 06:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't you have a cross to burn or something?




This is pretty shamless.

Don't demean racism by calling it where it isn't, i.e. genuine analysis of how folks may think.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8475776 - 06/02/08 07:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't you have a cross to burn or something?




do people like you and Madtown ever get tired of playing the race card?




That's uncalled for. Madtown, for whatever his commie faults are, is NOT a disingenuous lying weasel.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8475782 - 06/02/08 07:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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do people like you and Madtown ever get tired of playing the race card?




Against racists? Nope.

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This is pretty shamless.

Don't demean racism by calling it where it isn't, i.e. genuine analysis of how folks may think.




I agree that is shamless, but certainly not shameless.

Zappa believes that since Obama is black and a Democrat, he's apparently an angry black guy out to stick it to whitey. Even though he's ran a positive campaign(certainly the most positive of all three candidates), and uses hope and unity as the main theme of his rhetoric, he's really just Robert Mugabe. He's never given any coherent reasons to believe this; he's never quoted anything Obama ever said or referred to anything he's ever did, but nevertheless he ascribes to a member of a certain race a gross racial stereotype without any proof and against all evidence. If you've seen Obama's speech on race or his record as a Senator and state Senator and come out of that thinking that Obama's campaign is somehow based on black resentment(because any politician with eyes on national office is going to base his campaign on "kill whitey and steal his sneakers" Yes, that's the ticket!) then you've already made your mind up that because he's black he's an angy violent Negro. At least Luddite has the courage to explicitly call himself a racist; perhaps Zappa should learn to hide his prejudice a bit better.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8475816 - 06/02/08 07:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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That's uncalled for.  Madtown, for whatever his commie faults are, is NOT a disingenuous lying weasel.




:grin:

he's cool with u but he calls me a race-baiter Luddite every other month...


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8475828 - 06/02/08 07:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The fact that I can ascertain that Barry has made his entire political career pandering to racist blacks including, but not limited to, marrying one does not make me a racist any more than the jury that found Al Sharpton guilty of libel. The fact that you continue to ignore it is far more damning. You'll accept any commie whore.

Barry could be a fucking purple cow for all I care, the communist moron has no business in the Senate, let alone the Presidency.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8475846 - 06/02/08 07:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Heh, that is one wack woman.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8475851 - 06/02/08 07:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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That's uncalled for.  Madtown, for whatever his commie faults are, is NOT a disingenuous lying weasel.




:grin:

he's cool with u but he calls me a race-baiter Luddite every other month...




Well, what the hell, that's only six times a year.  You probably drag a Negro or a Mexican behind your truck at least that often.:cool:


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8475852 - 06/02/08 07:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Barry could be a fucking purple cow for all I care, the communist moron has no business in the Senate, let alone the Presidency.





QFT


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8475864 - 06/02/08 07:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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The fact that I can ascertain that Barry has made his entire political career pandering to racist blacks including, but not limited to, marrying one does not make me a racist any more than the jury that found Al Sharpton guilty of libel. The fact that you continue to ignore it is far more damning. You'll accept any commie whore.

Barry could be a fucking purple cow for all I care, the communist moron has no business in the Senate, let alone the Presidency.




If it acts like a racist and posts like a racist...


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8475945 - 06/02/08 07:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

That would actually be you. "Vote for the Negro or you're a bigot." No thanks.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8476036 - 06/02/08 08:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Here's a hint: it's a lot harder to claim you're not a racist with a straight face if you don't refer to black people as "Negroes".

I never claimed that you have to vote for Obama or you're racist. I just said that if you're voting against him for racist reasons, you're a racist. It's quite possible to have serious political disagreements with him and vote against him based on that or because you like McCain, but to paint him as Malcolm fucking X is blatantly racist.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8476136 - 06/02/08 08:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

What's wrong with "Negroes"? They don't look that black to me.

No, he isn't Malcolm. But he has definitely made his bones tending that way. They all pander and the past comes back to bite each and every one of them. It's just a matter of who has the bigger mouth doing the biting. As a further racial problem for Barry the Anointed, he can't get arrested in a Hispanic neighborhood, Hillary kills him and they don't hate McCain. He has almost no shot at being President. Hillary is right about that.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8476207 - 06/02/08 08:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Here's a hint: it's a lot harder to claim you're not a racist with a straight face if you don't refer to black people as "Negroes".

I never claimed that you have to vote for Obama or you're racist. I just said that if you're voting against him for racist reasons, you're a racist. It's quite possible to have serious political disagreements with him and vote against him based on that or because you like McCain, but to paint him as Malcolm fucking X is blatantly racist.




I have had enough of this kind of politically correct shit. Everyone is calling everyone else a racist, like fucking 4 year olds. Not withstanding your garbled multiple-negatives of exclaiming how using the word 'negroes' is somehow more or less racist than any other name for blacks. Do you mean that it's more appropriate to call them negroes, or not?


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Minstrel]
    #8476466 - 06/02/08 09:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, communism obviously sucks. i'd much rather have a wal-mart on every corner :stonedjerk:

i wish we could get some good marxists into the government, but they never run. if they did i'd vote for them.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8477088 - 06/02/08 11:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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What's wrong with "Negroes"? They don't look that black to me.




What the Hell are you rambling about?

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No, he isn't Malcolm. But he has definitely made his bones tending that way. They all pander and the past comes back to bite each and every one of them. It's just a matter of who has the bigger mouth doing the biting..




They all do, do they?

You've made an extremely provocative claim, that Obama has pandered to the all important "Kill Whitey" vote, that he's nothing more than a walking stereotype. So prove it. This is the presumptive Democratic nominee we're talking about here- I'm sure that everyone who he had so much as a chat about the weather with has been interviewed by the press, Hillary's camp or the Republicans. So if the evidence exists, it's almost certainly out there. Do you have any interviews, speeches, first hand accounts, etc. where he made any appeal to racial bitterness? Because so far the only evidence that you have is that his pastor with whom he had a personal and spiritual relationship said some things at sermons Obama never attended which Obama denounced. Unless you can come up with something better than that, your accusation that Obama is just one of "each and every one of them", a walking stereotype, is based in nothing but prejudice and false assumption. Surely if race truly had nothing to do with your judgement, you can point to some other convincing and coherent reason why you think what you do.

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t. Everyone is calling everyone else a racist, like fucking 4 year olds. Not withstanding your garbled multiple-negatives of exclaiming how using the word 'negroes' is somehow more or less racist than any other name for blacks. Do you mean that it's more appropriate to call them negroes, or not?




It's pretty simple English: if you want to dispel the idea that you're a racist, don't refer to black people as "negroes". Of course "negro" is an offensive term, unless you're living in the 1950s or speaking Spanish.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Minstrel]
    #8477231 - 06/03/08 12:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Here's a hint: it's a lot harder to claim you're not a racist with a straight face if you don't refer to black people as "Negroes".

I never claimed that you have to vote for Obama or you're racist. I just said that if you're voting against him for racist reasons, you're a racist. It's quite possible to have serious political disagreements with him and vote against him based on that or because you like McCain, but to paint him as Malcolm fucking X is blatantly racist.




I have had enough of this kind of politically correct shit. Everyone is calling everyone else a racist, like fucking 4 year olds. Not withstanding your garbled multiple-negatives of exclaiming how using the word 'negroes' is somehow more or less racist than any other name for blacks. Do you mean that it's more appropriate to call them negroes, or not?




thanks for injecting some sanity into that exchange


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