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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8477554 - 06/03/08 01:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yossarian22 writes:

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Zappa believes that since Obama is black and a Democrat, he's apparently an angry black guy out to stick it to whitey.




I don't think he actually is necessarily an angry black, but he married one, spent twenty years in another one's church, and hung out with angry white folks out to stick it to whitey (Ayers and Dohrn).

The thing is, the guy has shown extremely poor judgment for the last twenty years. Why should we give him four years in a position where poor judgment can be - quite literally - fatal?



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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Phred]
    #8477712 - 06/03/08 01:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Yossarian22 writes:

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Zappa believes that since Obama is black and a Democrat, he's apparently an angry black guy out to stick it to whitey.




I don't think he actually is necessarily an angry black, but he married one, spent twenty years in another one's church, and hung out with angry white folks out to stick it to whitey (Ayers and Dohrn).

The thing is, the guy has shown extremely poor judgment for the last twenty years. Why should we give him four years in a position where poor judgment can be - quite literally - fatal?



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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8477796 - 06/03/08 02:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Yossarian22 said:
It's pretty simple English: if you want to dispel the idea that you're a racist, don't refer to black people as "negroes". Of course "negro" is an offensive term, unless you're living in the 1950s or speaking Spanish.




Oh SHIT!!! It's the fucking thought police, come to protect us from all things OFFENSIVE.

Excuse me for not feeling the obligation to kiss the collective ass of an entire race, by calling them what they want, every time I need to refer to them in a sentence. I don't live with that baggage, and neither should you.

You need to start getting offended by people who get offended by mundane things. After all, in most cases, offense is just an emotional response, not a rational one.


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I wonder, though, if it is the lawyer culture of America that leads to so much 'offense'. Because being offended is often very profitable, since hearing the words "I FIND THAT VERY OFFENSIVE" are usually followed by "I'M GOING TO SUE".

Yes, we need more people being offended more of the time. Keeps people afraid to voice their opinions, lest they OFFEND and face financial ruin.

So, Officer Yosser, you are doing us all a favor by keeping that bar of 'what's offensive' low; keep people working on their emotions, not their reason.

Edit: I also love that I'm watching The Boondocks now, and I've heard nigger 5 times while typing. I love this show; some of the best shit on TV these days.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8477924 - 06/03/08 02:49 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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yeah, communism obviously sucks. i'd much rather have a wal-mart on every corner :stonedjerk:

i wish we could get some good marxists into the government, but they never run. if they did i'd vote for them.





thanks for injecting some sanity into that exchange




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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8478018 - 06/03/08 03:18 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Yossarian22 said:
Zappa believes that since Obama is black and a Democrat, he's apparently an angry black guy out to stick it to whitey.




I'm inclined to agree with zappa, not that I want to admit to it
but look at the facts, a church with a race related message, obama
himself was talking smack about the 'hillbillies'. I I refer to
blacks as 'you people', I'm tagged as a racist


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8478134 - 06/03/08 04:26 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

everything obama said about hillbillies is true, though. i grew up in the midwest and have seen it all first hand. so that argument is just an argument against a candidate who said something the media didn't like, but was TOTAL TRUTH. they do cling to guns and religion, they are bitter.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8478225 - 06/03/08 04:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Yossarian22 said:
Zappa believes that since Obama is black and a Democrat, he's apparently an angry black guy out to stick it to whitey.




I'm inclined to agree with zappa, not that I want to admit to it
but look at the facts, a church with a race related message, obama
himself was talking smack about the 'hillbillies'. I I refer to
blacks as 'you people', I'm tagged as a racist





I don't agree w/ zappa in that Obama is some radical racist, I've seen no evidence of that, but I do think its stupid to call zappa a racist for suggesting it and seriously demeans the word.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: johnm214]
    #8478259 - 06/03/08 05:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> I don't agree w/ zappa in that Obama is some radical racist,

From what I have read, that is not Zappa's claim. Rather than being racist, I think Zappa is saying that Obama has used the radical racists (black and white) as the springboard to advance his political ambitions. Now that he is running for president, the use of those radical elements is starting to come to light, placing his ability to judge character (and perhaps his own character) in to question.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8478396 - 06/03/08 06:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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everything obama said about hillbillies is true, though. i grew up in the midwest and have seen it all first hand. so that argument is just an argument against a candidate who said something the media didn't like, but was TOTAL TRUTH. they do cling to guns and religion, they are bitter.





it' doesnt matter how true a stereotype is, it's still racism,
if I said that black people eat fried chicken, watermelon, drank
purple koolade and couldnt pick their father out of a police
lineup, is it simply just a statement of fact? no, it's 'hate
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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8478566 - 06/03/08 08:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think he actually is necessarily an angry black, but he married one, spent twenty years in another one's church, and hung out with angry white folks out to stick it to whitey (Ayers and Dohrn).

The thing is, the guy has shown extremely poor judgment for the last twenty years. Why should we give him four years in a position where poor judgment can be - quite literally - fatal?




So specious associations with pillars of the Chicago community is your idea of proof that Obama has pandered to racial divisiveness? I asked for real evidence, something Obama said or did, not what someone whose cocktail party he once attended years ago and served on the board of a charity organization said or what his pastor said when Obama wasn't even present. That's a whole shitload of scant evidence for such a brash accusation and one so tinged by racial stereotyping.

Also, if you're going to slime Obama for that, you may want to look into McCain's guilty-by-association file; it'll make Obama look like a Boy Scout. You don't make a name for yourself in politics without encountering controversial and shady characters but you seem to expect Obama to have led a crusade against every community figure you would consider extremist, which is just crazy.

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Oh SHIT!!! It's the fucking thought police, come to protect us from all things OFFENSIVE.

Excuse me for not feeling the obligation to kiss the collective ass of an entire race, by calling them what they want, every time I need to refer to them in a sentence. I don't live with that baggage, and neither should you.

You need to start getting offended by people who get offended by mundane things. After all, in most cases, offense is just an emotional response, not a rational one.


....

I wonder, though, if it is the lawyer culture of America that leads to so much 'offense'. Because being offended is often very profitable, since hearing the words "I FIND THAT VERY OFFENSIVE" are usually followed by "I'M GOING TO SUE".

Yes, we need more people being offended more of the time. Keeps people afraid to voice their opinions, lest they OFFEND and face financial ruin.

So, Officer Yosser, you are doing us all a favor by keeping that bar of 'what's offensive' low; keep people working on their emotions, not their reason.




You might want to pop a Valium(or some Lithium) before you write another one of these juvenile, barely-coherent rants again. Suprise, surprise: words matter. If you call some guy "sir", you're much more likely to get a positive response without offending him than if you called him "shithead". I would've thought your parents had taught you this at a young age, but I guess not. "Negro", "nigger", "porch monkey", etc. are all offensive terms because they carry racist connotations and have traditionally been used in racist contexts. Grow the fuck up; calling people things other than pejorative names ins't going to kill you and it's not the "thought police".

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I don't agree w/ zappa in that Obama is some radical racist, I've seen no evidence of that, but I do think its stupid to call zappa a racist for suggesting it and seriously demeans the word.




If I were to accuse a Jewish friend of being stingy when he was in reality poor and would lend money to friends whenever possible, and I had no evidence to suggest otherwise, I would be rightfully called anti-semitic. If you accuse a member of race X of having a negative quality stereotypically associated with race X and you have either no reasoning or specious, half-assed reasoning, then that's clear racism no matter who says it. Not all racism is acknowledged as such by its owner: racism is every bit about snap judgements as it is about burning crosses or trying to keep the bathrooms racially segregated.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8479123 - 06/03/08 01:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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rev 766 said:
everything obama said about hillbillies is true, though. i grew up in the midwest and have seen it all first hand. so that argument is just an argument against a candidate who said something the media didn't like, but was TOTAL TRUTH. they do cling to guns and religion, they are bitter.





it' doesnt matter how true a stereotype is, it's still racism,
if I said that black people eat fried chicken, watermelon, drank
purple koolade and couldnt pick their father out of a police
lineup, is it simply just a statement of fact? no, it's 'hate
speech', it's racism

'certain whites could be excluded from the general category of our distrust.' -Barack Obama




that whole certain whites remark was from when he was young, not about the hillbillys, and i can't seem to find an online source that has more than just that one line so that i can find out the whole story and retort. it seems like another media blown up pile of shit though.

and furthermore, when he made the remark about people clinging to their guns and religion i got news for you, it's not even a stereotype, it's just the truth. saying some stupid shit like black people like watermelons and fried chicken and all of that is dumb, because tons of people like it, it's a stereotype that has no reason to be applied to that group specifically. however, to say of mid-westerners that live in run down towns that have no jobs that they are bitter and cling to guns and religion...sorry man, but i grew up in one of these towns, and have been to enough of them to know that this isn't just some stereotype remark, and it certainly isn't racist, it was merely an observation. he didn't say all whites, he was speaking of a specific region. if i say their is more racists in the south based on the fact that i see alot of loser (confederate) flags down their, i would probably be correct. you can't assume that i'm "angry at the man" based on that.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8479165 - 06/03/08 01:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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wait a minute, there are people on a site all about magic mushrooms who support republicans? are you police infiltration or just hypocrites?




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i like that you linked to HST's wikipedia. i'm not sure what message you're trying to convey. conservatives give no chance of ending prohibition either.

i really hope you're not assuming hunter was conservative, anyone familiar with him at all knows otherwise. you should read "fear and loathing on the campaign trail '72".

if this was a joke, i'm sorry. sarcasm is harder to pick up from a typed word.




I wasn't being sarcastic, I meant to ask if you expect everyone who trips to take on the "Hunter S. Thompson" mindset and political views. The "freak power" ticket.

I agree with you about conservatives not wanting an end to prohibition either, NORML has been fighting for an end to marijuana prohibition for what 30 years and all we have is medical allowance in a handful of states.  Neither Liberal nor Conservative will concede in the "war".


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8479242 - 06/03/08 02:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It is odd how the left-wing justifies certain behaviour and looks beyond the facts, when they are talking about their guy. obama's wife said that now that her husband was running for President " for the first time I am proud of my Country". It is part of the black culture to hate this Country because of slavery. Black oportunist took this a step further finding their niche to make a lot of money stirring up racial tensions. This hatred has now found it's way into some black churches, where racism is being taught. Rev. Wright is a racist, and his good friend Farakan is a racist. You can tell by the way everyone claps and laughs, that everyone in that church supports what he is saying. These are the people that have obama's ear, these are the type of people that obama would seek for advice. Obama is an extreme left-wing radical, and a skilled Chicago politician. To float to the top in Chicago you have to be extremely carnivorous, and without morals. Obama will not get my vote. There are some very good possibilities for a black President, but obama isn't even close.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #8479536 - 06/03/08 03:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Obama is an extreme left-wing radical




this is a bad thing? well, i haven't seen anyone far enough left for my tastes yet, but thanks for this opinion, it seals my vote.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #8479915 - 06/03/08 05:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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It is odd how the left-wing justifies certain behaviour and looks beyond the facts, when they are talking about their guy. obama's wife said that now that her husband was running for President " for the first time I am proud of my Country". It is part of the black culture to hate this Country because of slavery.




Reverend Wright, and apparently Michelle Obama, are opposed to the government, not to white people. Wright isn't a representation of a "racist" culture, he is one of the hundreds of thousands of blacks who dislike the institutions of power in our country because of lack of representation, being overlooked, being economically and often socially downtrodden, experiencing the fallout of decisions made in the interests of generally middle and upper class white men and at their expense, etc.

Take the biggest example of this "radical left-wing racism", Wrights criticism of the government around 9/11. How does criticizing the U.S. government policies that resulted in the "blowback" that killed 4,000 of its citizens constitute racism? When there is organized hatred in the world, the first step should be to look at your own policies to see if the hatred is warranted or justified. If it isn't, and you're doing the best that you can do for all people, then you may be above criticism. Our government, however, is not even close.


Jeez guys, we need to stop being so sensitive. Racism has VERY little to do with this "Wright controversy". Some good healthy criticism, while seeming to border on paranoia, is usually a good thing, especially since what is called "paranoia" is often later accepted as fact. Too bad the media and other opportunists see the profits and attention inherent in a topic deemed "racism-related."


And for the record, I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm for someone more sane that our typical corporate politicians with their self-serving attitudes and stunted, infantile ideas of morality and world relations.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8479956 - 06/03/08 05:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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C.M. Mann said:
Obama is an extreme left-wing radical




this is a bad thing? well, i haven't seen anyone far enough left for my tastes yet, but thanks for this opinion, it seals my vote.




thats what hurts him.

Obama already has the Black, Rich Elitist, and Marxists vote all wrapped up!

those three groups do not make up a majority of voters in the United States.

Obama needs some moderates and independents to win the presidency.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8479988 - 06/03/08 05:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i know, and i think it's sad. i was just being a douche.


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: The Tourist]
    #8480404 - 06/03/08 07:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Take the biggest example of this "radical left-wing racism", Wrights criticism of the government around 9/11. How does criticizing the U.S. government policies that resulted in the "blowback" that killed 4,000 of its citizens constitute racism?




It doesn't, wtf are you talking about?


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: johnm214]
    #8481893 - 06/04/08 02:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103965_2.html?sid=ST2008041200232
Obama also returned fire on both his critics. "Here's what's rich: Senator Clinton says, 'I don't think people are bitter in Pennsylvania. I think Barack's being condescending.' John McCain says, 'He's obviously out of touch with people.' Out of touch? John McCain, it took him three tries to figure out the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit-card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt -- after taking money from the financial services companies -- and she says I'm out of touch?

"No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on. . . . People are fed up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter, and they want to see a change in Washington."


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Re: Obama throws his church under the bus [Re: rev 766]
    #8482775 - 06/04/08 10:15 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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that whole certain whites remark was from when he was young, not about the hillbillys




it just demonstrates the long lived mindset a a black racist,
for how long did he deny his mother was white



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and furthermore, when he made the remark about people clinging to their guns and religion i got news for you, it's not even a stereotype, it's just the truth. saying some stupid shit like black people like watermelons and fried chicken and all of that is dumb, because tons of people like it, it's a stereotype that has no reason to be applied to that group specifically.




lets see, blacks like fried chicken and watermelon, white like
it too, whites like religion and guns, blacks like it too,
blacks are under educated, whites are under educated. all are
stereotypes, to clam one is and the others are the truth, well...

that's quite racist of you


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however, to say of mid-westerners that live in run down towns that have no jobs that they are bitter and cling to guns and religion...sorry man, but i grew up in one of these towns, and have been to enough of them to know that this isn't just some stereotype remark




so you're saying that everyone that happens to be white, live in
the midwest and unemployed owns guns and is bitter and clinging
to jesus... that again is a stereo type, you're lumping them all
together the same way any racist would a group of blacks

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he didn't say all whites, he was speaking of a specific region. if i say their is more racists in the south based on the fact that i see alot of loser (confederate) flags down their, i would probably be correct.




if I were to say "niggers in harlem cling to drugs, religion,
guns, gang violence and hatred of the whites while they gobble
down their fried chicken and purple koolade" that isnt a racist
remark because I"m only referring to one very small area of new
york and I'd probably be correct

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you can't assume that i'm "angry at the man" based on that.




I can make the assumption that you're angry, clinging to your
guns and religion, are under educated and may be jobless based
on this statement "i grew up in one of these towns", now I must
be a racist too


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