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gettinjiggywithit said:
Why is it that Obama supporters here know so little about the candidate THEY support and ask me for links to learn more about him?


Here-http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

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Ziggen said:
I believe that he is referring to a black man (Obama) who will enslave (mostly) white people.

At least, that's what I got out of it.

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gettinjiggywithit said:
I'm not an Obama supporter. I dislike him intensely. I just wanted another reason not to vote for him.

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gotcha!

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Kombat Frank said:
I SWEAR TO GOD IM MOVING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY!!!!!!

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Why is it that Obama supporters here know so little about the candidate THEY support and ask me for links to learn more about him?


Here-http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

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Leftist actress Susan Sarandon was a big backer of John Edwards, but now she's going to shift and endorse Barack Obama. On Monday's edition of the Tavis Smiley show on PBS, she likened Obama to a pregnant woman at an abortion rally:

    "Well, I'm going to back Obama. But I hope -- I think that he, as a symbol, has really excited people, and he's definitely confusing to everyone who really hates America for hating Muslims because a name like Obama and a black man, they're probably going to go "Oh, wait a minute -- What?" It's kind of like when you're out on the line for freedom to have an abortion and you're incredibly pregnant. They just can't quite figure it out.

    So I think he definitely has convinced people that he stands for change and for hope, and I can't wait to see what he stands for."

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Seuss said:
> I believe that he is referring to a black man (Obama) who will enslave (mostly) white people.

Race has nothing to do with it... all about softening up the younger generations to accept the idea of mandatory military service (long term goal).

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bradmassive said:
Out of curiosity what age to you think you'll be homeschooling your kids too?

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I just have the one, she's 11, would be 5th grade for her age but is doing higher grade level work.

Every year, I ask her if she wants to consider going ( to a private school) and so far, she is happy with homeschooling and isn't interested, thankfully. I would prefer to take her through HS at home, yet, it's her life and I won't force it if she wants to experience a more traditional school environment and curriculum at any point up the road.

I would insist on a private school though. We live in Florida.  She went to one when we first moved here starting with the first grade and it was run like a NAZI prison camp. The faculty and staff from the principle to the lunch room ladies were big on intimidation, threatening and shaming students. I use to go in as a volunteer to help with things and I saw more then I cared to and took her out after 6 weeks. They had no honors or advanced classes for the primary grades either, which she needed to be in.

They are not even teaching the kids here in Florida to read or write in cursive so they can spend more time cramming useless facts they forget 4 months later, for the FCATs.

I'll let her go through HS at home if she wants too. She is a strong self led learner and this is probably the best way for her to reach her fullest potential. She is free to  fly ahead in any direction she wants to go and does.


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gettinjiggywithit said:
Public/ community service is something we sentence law breakers to do for punishment.

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No, jiggy, you are wrong.

People who go through the justice system are given community service in order to promote rehabilitation, not to "punish" them.

It gives them life experience in giving something beneficial to the community, to make it better. For example, say you are walking alongside a road, picking up trash, it gives someone a sense of the consequences that we humans create in our actions, something we wouldn't have seen if we never chose to or had to go and do (its something I've chose to do and had to do ).

It isn't punishment for criminals. Punishment for criminals is taking away all of their rights by placing them in a cell and simply leaving them there. It accomplishes nothing. It doesn't take into account the way the minds of human beings work. Giving people the opportunity to take on positive life experience helping others and developing a strength of character within oneself is a beneficial thing for everyone.

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  How can our government force kids to do 50-100 hours of community service every year?

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Its simple. Children who are enrolled in public school have to take the classes that the school provides, and if a college student takes Obama's $4000 tax credit for the funding of college, then they have to give something back to the community in the direct short-term in exchange for the community helping them through school, for the future of both.

In high school I took an environmental class, and we were fortunate enough to have a trout steam that ran through the town nearby. One day, our class assignment was to go to the stream. I believe we picked up trash, took water samples, and simply learned, through experience, how to care for a natural phenomenon for the health of ourselves and the habitat.

It would be no huge difference between a school requiring class-work community service. It is not as though some huge line has been crossed in violation of human sovereignty. Not anymore than school already is, anyways. I say that as someone who has went through public schooling. In fact, I would think that something like this is specifically for the education of children, because a lot of school is not effective in teaching children anything that is relevant to the life that they will live, whereas experience working with others and gaining a sense of perspective of the world around us most certainly will.

So, there you have it, school is school. The only thing that changes is that school begins to teach children about the world around them, to create not only a sense of our social and physical environment around us to help us live our life better, but also to better some aspect of reality that has not yet received attention, whether it is from adding to the quality of life of old people in a home where they do not get much novelty, something they would enjoy most in that time in their life (which is why I personally really enjoy the idea of getting old people a computer and Internet access in such circumstances, and teaching them how to begin to use the Internet. There are so many ways to be stimulated through it, and think of the wealth of information that would be obtained for the future ), or by simply making our environment cleaner.

Obama also proposes a Green Job Corps. That might sound crazy to you as well. The idea of him providing jobs to people who have no real opportunity for good jobs to enter into projects that create a new infrastructure of the country for an economy of the 21st century, one that will respect the nature of our environment, and the quality of life for Americans. Roosevelt created a Job Corps after the Great Depression and it is one of the reasons why the country came out of the Great Depression - people were given jobs and new roads were built and bridges were built and it paved the way for a booming economy.

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Isn't this against child labor laws? Even kids working sweat shops get paid something.

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Last time I checked, madatory labor , without compensation, for the benefit of others, was called slavery.

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WTF is it with Barrack and Hillary trying to turn the rest of us into their mini me's.

Egomania has no boundaries.

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Ahh, the irony.

You're the one strongly reacting to the idea that children would learn from making their community and themselves better through positive life experience here. It isn't as though the children aren't still free to parents to evade the responsibility of interacting with them to prepare them for the life that they will lead. If you are willing to accept the existence of public schooling, then this isn't any more of an encroach on anything. There is more than one type of education that schools can give. Complementing the one that is predominant now (mostly textbook learning) with the one that shows children the world around them, gets them involved, and improves the quality of life is only being more wise in how children are educated.

The notion that community service is government slavery is ridiculuous. I don't buy the slippery slope arguement because nature is a system of checks and balances. Let's not engage in such emotionalism if we are to understand.