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Re: vegetarian? [Re: fake estate]
    #7776041 - 12/19/07 01:47 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Prove to me that they have a soul and I'll never eat a steak again. I see the big picture as the universe, with our lives and the animals lives as an insignificant afterthought. Did you see the news about an entire galaxy being blasted with radiation with a black hole? Think of how many life sustaining planets were wiped out of existence, and you will never hear about them, and perhaps no one did but themselves. That could happen to us one day, and the ramifications would be nil to all the other lives in our universe, so what does it matter if I enjoy veal parmesean every once in a while, theres more baby cows where that came from.


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7776939 - 12/19/07 11:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Prove to me that they have a soul and I'll never eat a steak again.

I have a pair of moccasins from a cow.


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7776949 - 12/19/07 11:45 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Think of how many life sustaining planets were wiped out of existence, and you will never hear about them, and perhaps no one did but themselves.

But were those planets factory farmed?:crazy2:


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: Icelander]
    #7777024 - 12/19/07 12:11 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You probably didn't know that I am a vegetarian. I live on beer and Doritoes. :yesnod:


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7777161 - 12/19/07 12:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Prove to me that they have a soul and I'll never eat a steak again. I see the big picture as the universe, with our lives and the animals lives as an insignificant afterthought. Did you see the news about an entire galaxy being blasted with radiation with a black hole? Think of how many life sustaining planets were wiped out of existence, and you will never hear about them, and perhaps no one did but themselves. That could happen to us one day, and the ramifications would be nil to all the other lives in our universe, so what does it matter if I enjoy veal parmesean every once in a while, theres more baby cows where that came from.




since our science and technologies have been getting so much better we must be learning a lot more about the universe..right? Well imagine the things out of your control..there are things greater than us at work..everything seeems to have a pattern...hence why civilization after civilization seem to blamee some higher beings presence for the workings of the universe....we have the technology to see signals in the brains of animals working much like humans do...yet we have never proved the existence of a human soul, much less what the fuck a conscious is or where our thoughts flow from...the only way we know other humans share the same condition is us is through communication (which is just another complex system that works at a level above us all...almost perfectly)

now if any of you have watched other animals you can understand that they too have a form of communication and a strong sense of free will...is that not enough to deduct that they have a soul/spirit/life sense?


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7777358 - 12/19/07 01:40 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Prove to me that they have a soul and I'll never eat a steak again



Let me ask you something: Are you a creationist? If not, I assume you believe in evolution(correct me if I'm wrong). Now, I'll also assume based on your statement that humans have soul, or else it would be ok to kill other humans by that logic. Now, if people evolved from other animals, and people have a soul, at what point did people evolve souls? Does the soul go back to Australopithecus? Or does it first appear in Cro-Magnon man?


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7777364 - 12/19/07 01:44 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Using logic again Silversoul.:nono:


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7779583 - 12/19/07 11:19 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I don't believe in souls, no. And I don't eat people because they'd eat me back. Cows are relatively easy prey.


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: fake estate]
    #7779590 - 12/19/07 11:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Free will /= soul. I think you need a shave, here, here's Occam's Razor.


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7779661 - 12/19/07 11:36 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Triple head with floating beam suspension?


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: fake estate]
    #7781044 - 12/20/07 12:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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ShrooMinToXicate said:
you have a problem with living on this planet.
JMPOV




yes I do..I often get very upset by the actions of my fellow human beings


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: fake estate]
    #7785081 - 12/21/07 12:40 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"Carnivorous animals are aroused by the scent of blood and the thrill of the chase. Most humans, on the other hand, are revolted by the sight of raw flesh and cannot tolerate hearing the screams of animals being ripped apart and killed. The bloody reality of eating animals is innately repulsive to us, more proof that we were not designed to eat meat.

Ask yourself: When you see dead animals on the side of the road, are you tempted to stop for a snack? Does the sight of a dead bird make you salivate? Do you daydream about killing cows with your bare hands and eating them raw? If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations—you're a normal human herbivore—like it or not. Humans were simply not designed to eat meat. Humans lack both the physical characteristics of carnivores and the instinct that drives them to kill animals and devour their raw carcasses.
If we were meant to eat meat, why is it killing us?

In addition to being anatomically ill equipped to digest meat in the short-term, the long-term damage that a meat-based diet wreaks on the human body confirms that we were not meant to eat flesh. Natural carnivores never suffer from heart disease, cancer, diabetes, strokes, or obesity, ailments that are caused in humans by the consumption of the saturated fat and cholesterol in meat.

Dr. William C. Roberts, M.D., editor of the authoritative American Journal of Cardiology, sums it up this way: "[A]lthough we think we are one and we act as if we are one, human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."

Studies have shown that even when fed 200 times the amount of animal fat and cholesterol that the average human consumes each day, carnivores do not develop the hardening of the arteries that leads to heart disease and strokes in humans.4 Indeed, researchers have found that it is impossible for carnivores to develop hardening of the arteries, no matter how much animal fat they consume.5

Carnivores are capable of metabolizing all the fat and cholesterol in meat, but humans are a different story: Our bodies were not designed to process animal flesh, so all the excess fat and cholesterol from a meat-based diet makes us sick. Heart disease, for example, is the number one cause of death in America according to the American Heart Association, and medical experts agree that this ailment is the result of the consumption of animal products.6 In fact, meat-eaters have a 50 percent higher risk of developing heart disease than vegetarians, and a low-fat, completely vegetarian diet has been repeatedly used to unclog the arteries of heart disease patients—it not only prevents but also treats the disease!7 Learn more about animal products and heart disease.

In addition to pointing out the damage done by saturated fat and cholesterol, scientists have also shown that eating animal protein can be harmful to human health. We consume twice as much protein as we need when we eat a meat-based diet, and this leads to osteoporosis and kidney stones.8 Animal protein raises the acid level in human blood, causing calcium to be excreted from the bones to restore the blood's natural pH balance. This calcium depletion leads to osteoporosis, and the excreted calcium ends up in the kidneys, where it can form kidney stones. The strain of processing all the excess animal protein from meat can also trigger kidney disease in meat-eaters.

The consumption of animal protein has also been linked to cancer of the colon, breast, prostate, and pancreas. In fact, according to Dr. T. Colin Campbell, the director of the Cornell-China-Oxford Project on Nutrition, Health, and the Environment, "In the next ten years, one of the things you're bound to hear is that animal protein … is one of the most toxic nutrients of all that can be considered."

Eating meat can also have negative consequences for stamina and sexual potency. One Danish study indicated that "Men peddling on a stationary bicycle until muscle failure lasted an average of 114 minutes on a mixed meat and vegetable diet, 57 minutes on a high-meat diet, and a whopping 167 minutes on a strict vegetarian diet."9 Besides having increased physical endurance, vegans are also less likely to suffer from impotence.

Since we don't have strong stomach acids like carnivores to kill all the bacteria in meat, dining on animal flesh can also give us food poisoning. In fact, according to the USDA, meat is the cause of 70 percent of foodborne illnesses in the United States because it's often contaminated with dangerous bacteria like E. coli, listeria, and campylobacter.10 Every year in the United States alone, food poisoning sickens over 75 million people and kills more than 5,000.11 While carnivores can process all the saturated fat, protein, and bacteria in animal flesh, a meat-based diet can send humans to an early grave. Clearly, people were not intended to eat meat."


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: fake estate]
    #7785213 - 12/21/07 01:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think vegy is so against being human. :lol: Now here's some interesting logic. And how does not eating meat make one a "sad case"? I think the inability to think logically is what makes someone sad. Obviously we disagree here.

humans would never have gotten to where we are today

And where are humans today? Pollution, continual war and famine, lots of seeming unhappiness and mental illness along with all the good things you can site to make your, IMO illogical case. Whos to say if we had decided to not be meat eaters once survival wasn't at stake that the world would now be in a better place and more advanced? You don't really know now do ya?

If you "hate" cruelty to animals you will not support the torture farming of animals but will instead make other choices for obtaining your meat. Somehow I doubt you would consider this and so if I'm correct your statement IMO is self-serving and inaccurate.

The fact that I don't eat meat is not a problem for me living on this planet. If I had a problem then a vegetarian diet would not sustain my life. Again your position is knee jerk and  illogical.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Edited by Icelander (12/21/07 01:18 PM)


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Re: vegetarian? [Re: Icelander]
    #7785285 - 12/21/07 01:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

These humans strongly disagree with the idea that being vegetarian is "against being human":

[Vegetarianism has a] powerful influence upon the mind and its action, as well as upon the health and vigor of the body. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages.
--Thomas Edison


Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
--Albert Einstein


On general principles the raising of cattle as a means of providing food is objectionable. It is certainly preferable to raise vegetables, and I think, therefore, that vegetarianism is a commendable departure from the established barbarian habit.
--Nikola Tesla


The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men
--Leoardo da Vinci


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