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Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian!
    #21807956 - 06/15/15 05:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/vegetarians_found_to_have_more_cancer_allergies_and_mental_health_disorders-133332

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A cross-sectional study taken from the Austrian Health Interview Survey AT-HIS 2006/07 found that vegetarians are actually less healthy than normal eaters. Subjects were matched according to their age, sex, and socioeconomic status leaving 1320 people - 330 vegetarians, 330 that ate meat but still a lot of fruits and vegetables, 300 normal eaters but that ate less meat, and 330 on a more carnivorous diet.

After controlling for variables, they found that vegetarians did have lower BMI and alcohol consumption but had poorer overall health. Vegetarians had higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders, a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.





While this study is not the ultimate metric, I expect the True Believers will be along shortly with hand-wringing and emotionalism to explain why this is so.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21808062 - 06/15/15 05:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I made it 1 year so far, I got ballz mannn im in the bathtub rubbing the rubber ducky on em

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Khancious]
    #21808084 - 06/15/15 05:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Omnivore means both.  Not carnivores and liberal pussies, but meat and vegetables.

Being one or the other defies the point of being an omnivore:shrug:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21808696 - 06/15/15 08:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What the one of the authors had to say about the study,
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In our opinion, it seems not far to seek that persons with worse health consume a vegetarian diet because they try to develop a better health and eating behavior, and not the opposite, that a certain diet (vegetarian) leads to worse health. We therefore state in our discussion that we can neither say anything about causes or effects, nor about long-term consequences. Moreover, we say that further studies are needed to analyze nutritional habits and their association with health.

No competing interests declared.


from:http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action?root=78839

So at least one of the Authors of this study doesn't think that the study shows that vegetarianism leads to cancer or insanity. Nathalie T. Burkert has as much as said that the study is no metric at all and throws in an endorsement for vegetarianism to boot.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21809222 - 06/15/15 01:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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http://www.science20.com/news_articles/vegetarians_found_to_have_more_cancer_allergies_and_mental_health_disorders-133332

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A cross-sectional study taken from the Austrian Health Interview Survey AT-HIS 2006/07 found that vegetarians are actually less healthy than normal eaters. Subjects were matched according to their age, sex, and socioeconomic status leaving 1320 people - 330 vegetarians, 330 that ate meat but still a lot of fruits and vegetables, 300 normal eaters but that ate less meat, and 330 on a more carnivorous diet.

After controlling for variables, they found that vegetarians did have lower BMI and alcohol consumption but had poorer overall health. Vegetarians had higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders, a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.





While this study is not the ultimate metric, I expect the True Believers will be along shortly with hand-wringing and emotionalism to explain why this is so.





People who adopt deviant lifestyles are usually poorer performers on all sorts of quality-of-life scales. The same thing, I'm sure, is true of marijuana smokers and no-carb dieters.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: johnm214]
    #21809457 - 06/15/15 03:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

But not PSPers. :nono:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21809537 - 06/15/15 04:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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But not PSPers. :nono:




I never bought one of those playstations... Do they have any vegetarian games? Preferrably with no soy protein isolate
(I read something about it on beyondtopsecretknowledge.com)

Shhh dont tell anyone about that website

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Khancious]
    #21809578 - 06/15/15 04:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)



Shhhh!


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21809601 - 06/15/15 04:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Dood its not halloween yet, if you wanted some dopamine you just shouldve asked

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: johnm214]
    #21809686 - 06/15/15 05:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Breast Cancer

Unfortunately, the one significant finding was that vegetarians had more breast cancer in the Health Food Shoppers study. That study did not adjust for having children which is protective against breast cancer, and vegetarian women tend to have fewer children.


Notice the escape clause and the choice of the word "unfortunately". Why is that? One cannot do a controlled study to determine trends/facts then make excuses for why the results are different than one's long-held belief. :nono:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Khancious]
    #21809691 - 06/15/15 05:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I have partial ownership in a silver mine, but never heard of a dopa mine. :crazy:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21809725 - 06/15/15 05:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The el dopa mine is in Mexico.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Sun King]
    #21809740 - 06/15/15 05:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The mayans built it for spiritual journeys

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Khancious] * 1
    #21809783 - 06/15/15 06:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Vegetarians are considered healthier, they are wealthier, they are more liberal, they drink less alcohol and they smoke less - but those are a lot of variables in health that don't necessarily result from being a vegetarian.





Ridiculous. "There are a lot of variables that don't necessarily relate to health": How about all of the ones in this study?

This study is about dipping into swaths of statistical corroboration. There is nothing of general evidence about health in what is obviously to any level mind, the cultural values which are being argued for, and constructed based on the pretense of gathering "unbiased" empirical data. Some good old unbiased white bread common sense right?

If you take out the wealthy and healthy portion of a health based study and call it bias, and then speculate about a span of population without these variables, and call the level base of science, what are you talking about?

Vegetarianism is not quantifiable statistical deviance. It is not "cutting things out" of a "normal" (cultural and consumer based) diet, which will for obvious reasons lead to poor health. It is not about cutting things out in one's social life easier, so it is not necessarily a pretension of having culture either.

What this indicates is that when it occurs, vegetarianism seems to be about making a responsible, and possibly holistic or lifestyle based decision. OrgoneConclusion, if it bugs you to see these claims made, then do us all a favor and avoid quoting bunk reductionistic science.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Sun King]
    #21809857 - 06/15/15 06:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The el dopa mine is in Mexico.




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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21810905 - 06/15/15 11:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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http://www.science20.com/news_articles/vegetarians_found_to_have_more_cancer_allergies_and_mental_health_disorders-133332

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A cross-sectional study taken from the Austrian Health Interview Survey AT-HIS 2006/07 found that vegetarians are actually less healthy than normal eaters. Subjects were matched according to their age, sex, and socioeconomic status leaving 1320 people - 330 vegetarians, 330 that ate meat but still a lot of fruits and vegetables, 300 normal eaters but that ate less meat, and 330 on a more carnivorous diet.

After controlling for variables, they found that vegetarians did have lower BMI and alcohol consumption but had poorer overall health. Vegetarians had higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders, a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.





While this study is not the ultimate metric, I expect the True Believers will be along shortly with hand-wringing and emotionalism to explain why this is so.





i would love to see the diet of all those people involved in the study, as well as the duration of the study


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: demiu5]
    #21811187 - 06/16/15 12:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I once ate a carrot.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21811568 - 06/16/15 02:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If you keep that up, you will turn orange.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Sun King]
    #21811604 - 06/16/15 02:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)



No way, dude!


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21811634 - 06/16/15 02:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I guess it's too late.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Sun King] * 1
    #21811723 - 06/16/15 02:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What a load of BS. Vegetarian is such a broad word that is basically means jack shit these days. I mean, i can be a vego and still eat fully processed foods that are toxic AF. Just cause you don't eat meat doesn't automatically = health. Its pretty fucking basic common sense to see this. I bet if those people tested who only ate unprocessed organic foods, in a WELL balance Vego diet, they wouldbe found to have MAJOR health benefits.
What a crappy study.
Its not the type of food you eat but the quality in which it was grown, harvested and cooked.
Its a common thing for people to think just not eating meat is healthy.. Well no it not as simple as that. Alotta MMA fighters are Vego because of the energy recuperation benefits, but they eat a balance diet.
There was a 50 year study just released about meat eating. Found people that ate red meat more than 2 times a week had a higher rate of basically every thing..
So much killing on this planet that if we all stop killing meat, across the earth, death and killing would drop by a huge percentage. Something i think the world needs. Less killing.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: CosmicAdventurer]
    #21811755 - 06/16/15 02:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Meat is murdered animals.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Sun King]
    #21812460 - 06/16/15 06:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Soylent Green is people!

:waitwhatthehell:  :waaaaaaargh:  :ohgodpleaseno:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21812987 - 06/16/15 08:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If we're all one with the universe, we're eating ourself


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #21813979 - 06/16/15 06:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Over the last few months I've been slowly transitioning from a very carnivorous diet, consisting of probably more than half meat, to a vegetarian or even possibly vegan diet (almost entirely for ethical reasons). Within the next 10-12 months or so I plan to have stopped eating meat altogether. I am still large, I am still strong, my athletic performances have improved slightly (not statistically significant though) etc. Although I haven't yet cut meat out of my diet altogether, with my meat consumption a small fraction of what it used to be, I haven't noticed any of the stereotypical criticism's received by vegetarians. The only difference I've noticed so far is slight cardiovascular improvement, slight improvement in cognitive clarity, and a slightly improved quality of sleep. If this trend continues then I expect to be quite pleased with the results of my transition.
I don't see what's so bad (health wise) about vegetarianism...? All the meat we eat comes from animals who are, themselves, vegetarians, so there is no nutritional deficiency in principle...? Forget about potentially biased correlative studies.. are there any actually good explanations for why vegetarianism is bad for one's health? I have yet to hear any.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents here.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21814738 - 06/16/15 10:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Vegetables are for people too slow or dumb to catch some meat.



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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Rahz]
    #21814892 - 06/16/15 11:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Pepsi + Cheez-Puffs = Vegetarian Diet


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21814908 - 06/16/15 11:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

But many cows were killed to feed the C.E.O of each company :shakefist:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Khancious]
    #21814948 - 06/16/15 11:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)



It is important to eat your weight in food each day to keep your legs from becoming too thin.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21815161 - 06/17/15 12:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)



They gave me fat-free ranch damnit! But at least there's only 47 pepperoni slices, that's 4 less than last time so I'm almost vegetarian.  :hairmetal:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21816009 - 06/17/15 03:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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http://www.science20.com/news_articles/vegetarians_found_to_have_more_cancer_allergies_and_mental_health_disorders-133332

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A cross-sectional study taken from the Austrian Health Interview Survey AT-HIS 2006/07 found that vegetarians are actually less healthy than normal eaters. Subjects were matched according to their age, sex, and socioeconomic status leaving 1320 people - 330 vegetarians, 330 that ate meat but still a lot of fruits and vegetables, 300 normal eaters but that ate less meat, and 330 on a more carnivorous diet.

After controlling for variables, they found that vegetarians did have lower BMI and alcohol consumption but had poorer overall health. Vegetarians had higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders, a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.





While this study is not the ultimate metric, I expect the True Believers will be along shortly with hand-wringing and emotionalism to explain why this is so.




Their study sucked cow balls.

Their bias shows up immediately with the strange diatribe in their "study description" against "wealthy liberal" vegetarians who clearly don't eat a "normal" diet.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Khancious]
    #21817088 - 06/17/15 07:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I forget most of america is a diabetic obese sloth.  Those kinds of pictures still shock me because i'm never around that hideousness.  I would reach for the snub nosed .38 and put one in my brain stem before I ate myself to death like that.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21817094 - 06/17/15 07:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

When everyone else is an obese sloth, then YOU are the abnormal one.

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #21817098 - 06/17/15 07:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I guess so:lol:  Except now being obese is about civil rights, calling it unhealthy labels you a fat shamer and probably a racist too!


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21817898 - 06/17/15 03:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I forget most of america is a diabetic obese sloth.  Those kinds of pictures still shock me because i'm never around that hideousness.  I would reach for the snub nosed .38 and put one in my brain stem before I ate myself to death like that.




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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Sun King]
    #21818532 - 06/17/15 07:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Dude, I just used that gem a week or two ago. :nonono:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21819077 - 06/17/15 10:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I learned it from watching you.


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    #21819214 - 06/17/15 11:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21820214 - 06/18/15 03:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Khancious]
    #21820662 - 06/18/15 05:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I knew you would understand. :yesnod:


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21820738 - 06/18/15 05:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

How? I don't have a basement and my coffin is horizontal with only enough room for some extra wood

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Khancious]
    #21821631 - 06/18/15 09:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

My 600lb life on TLC... I didn't know there were that many jaba the huts in the world. 

What does this obesity problem say about american society?


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    #21821953 - 06/18/15 10:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

American society? Can I get that to-go with a side of buffalo?

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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21821964 - 06/18/15 10:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It would be more useful if they listed the foods people ate (and amounts) along with the afflictions they suffered, for a period of a year or so. Then you can draw whatever inferences you want from that.

One thing I'd be interested in looking at is the protein quantity. When I was younger there were several days where I went without an abundance of protein -- my diet included lots of processed chips, chocolate, and soft drinks. I think there are a lot of vegetarians who are vegetarian for the political reasons, but don't really care about their nutrition and think 'is it ethical to eat this food?' rather than 'does this food give my body the nutrients it needs?' I imagine the omnivorous equivalent would eat lots of fast food, which is probably pretty bad health-wise, but they are getting plenty of protein, fat, and carbohydrates on those days, even though they aren't really thinking about those things.


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Re: Want cancer? Want to go nuts? Go vegetarian! [Re: gcs]
    #21824096 - 06/19/15 12:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I felt tired and hungry all the time when I was a vegetarian. 
Terrible choice...I was really brainwashed by buddhism and new age shit at the time though.
Truly thought it was some "noble" diet or some shit.

Weird phase of my life. Glad I've grown out of that type of mindset and came back to Earth.
It's just a fact of life that animals feed on other animals to survive and THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.


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