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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Fat people. [Re: Diploid]
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and i have to disagree with that study Diploid. i agree that your body memorizes certain variables in your body, however they can be reprogrammed. this is why skinny people can stay skinny, and fat people have a harder time losing weight the bigger they get.

noone is born fat. noone is programmed to be fat. if youre fat in the first 10-14 years of your life, its your parents fault. if you are fed a healthy diet and taught to exercise regularly, you will not be fat. plain and simple. end of story.


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Re: Fat people. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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Plenty of people would still be fat in that age range if they ate the same diet as a normal child simply because they have slow metabolism. People ARE predisposed to being overweight.


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Re: Fat people. [Re: robbyberto]
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that is why there is no generic diet. you need to customize your diet for YOU. my diet wont work for you and vice versa. if your kid is still gaining weight, or is not dropping any excess weight, then his diet needs revamping, portions need slimming.

that is one of americas largest problems. portioning. most people eat on a daily basis, what I would eat for thanksgiving.

and if by predisposed, you mean more prone to it because their family is overweight, so they pick up their habits, then yes. predisposed- yes. genetically predisposed- NO.


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Re: Fat people. [Re: thoughts]
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Not responding to anyone in particular, but there's no reason to degrade obese people.

I don't have the statistics to back it up, but I'm pretty sure your life expectancy is so shortened by obesity that it's coals to newcastle to rag on someone for it.

Quality of life can't be that good either. I can't imagine how much it would suck to carry around that much dead weight.


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Re: Fat people. [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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thats exactly why you should rag on them. if you shower them with assurances and let them think that its ok, then they wont ever attempt to change themselves for the better. i mean it doesnt affect me one bit that someone else is fat. they are only hurting themselves. financially and healthwise.

its bullshit that people teach their kids that its ok to be fat. i mean we shouldnt berate them to the point that they want to kill themselves, but i dont think we should let them think it is ok.


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Re: Fat people. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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and i have to disagree with that study Diploid. i agree that your body memorizes certain variables in your body, however they can be reprogrammed.

Well, forgive me if I take the word of a neurologist over yours when it comes to opinions about neurology.

You can't reprogram things hard wired into your brain by genetics no matter how much you want to any more than a person without an optic nerve can "reprogram" themselves to see.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Fat people. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
and i have to disagree with that study Diploid. i agree that your body memorizes certain variables in your body, however they can be reprogrammed.

Well, forgive me if I take the word of a neurologist over yours when it comes to opinions about neurology.

You can't reprogram things hard wired into your brain by genetics not matter how much you want to any more than a person without an optic nerve can "reprogram" themselves to see.


"Predisposed" to those tendencies or not, it still remains that if a person runs they WILL lose weight. I don't give a damn what kind of neurons they have, if those mother fuckers run the weight will go DOWN. Thats a truth fo sho fo sho :wink:

6'1 ~160lbs

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Re: Fat people. [Re: StreetFreak]
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And not just run either, but eat properly too.

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Re: Fat people. [Re: StreetFreak]
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You're not getting this.

Neurologists have found structures in the brain of fat people that make their muscles more efficient than normal people. That means that a fat person with these structures has to run five miles to get the same effect a normal person gets running one mile.

These neurological structures also affect how sated a person is. This means that a fat person who eats a proper-sized meal will still be hungry. ALWAYS! After EVERY meal. For their ENTIRE lives. That's a shitty way to live, always hungry. A normal person is sated after a normal sized meal.

You guys think going against hard wired brain structures is a matter of will power. It's not. Fat people with these neural structures are unable to live happy, fulfilling lives if they eat normal-sized meals and they're unable to live happy, fulfilling lives if they're fat. It's a life of never-ending hell. They can no more lose weight than than can stop breathing.

You guys who think otherwise are cruel and insensitive.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Fat people. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
and i have to disagree with that study Diploid. i agree that your body memorizes certain variables in your body, however they can be reprogrammed.

Well, forgive me if I take the word of a neurologist over yours when it comes to opinions about neurology.

You can't reprogram things hard wired into your brain by genetics not matter how much you want to any more than a person without an optic nerve can "reprogram" themselves to see.


forgive me, if i take something i have seen in real life more seriously than what some neurologist theorizes about.

ever hear of muscle memory? the same results are seen with neural pathways. take a martial artist for example. after years of training their muscles to react in a certain way, it strengthens and PROGRAMS the neural pathways to integrate a certain motion into the "circuitry" of the body, making the move almost second nature. after years of training, a martial artist doesnt even have to think about half of the motions he activates.


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Re: Fat people. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
You're not getting this.

Neurologists have found structures in the brain of fat people that make their muscles more efficient than normal people. That means that a fat person with these structures has to run five miles to get the same effect a normal person gets running one mile.

These neurological structures also affect how sated a person is. This means that a fat person who eats a proper-sized meal will still be hungry. ALWAYS! After EVERY meal. For their ENTIRE lives. That's a shitty way to live, always hungry. A normal person is sated after a normal sized meal.

You guys think going against hard wired brain structures is a matter of will power. It's not. Fat people with these neural structures are unable to live happy, fulfilling lives if they eat normal-sized meals and they're unable to live happy, fulfilling lives if they're fat. It's a life of never-ending hell. They can no more lose weight than than can stop breathing.

You guys who think otherwise are cruel and insensitive.


which goes back to my original statements. you can achieve the results you want, you just have to customize your diet and exercise to your own body type.

the fact is. there is no excuse.

its will power. no matter how much you disagree. do you know how often i get hunger pains? i use WILL POWER and drinking water to curb them. if you want results you will get them.


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Re: Fat people. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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you can achieve the results you want, you just have to customize your diet and exercise to your own body type.

And be forever miserably hungry...

the fact is. there is no excuse.

Not according to the available research. This is like saying that there is no excuse for someone who needs to sleep. Neurology dictates that we have to sleep. Will-power has nothing to do with it.

Neurology also dictates body weight for some people.

its will power. no matter how much you disagree

I'm not disagreeing. It's reality as evidenced by the research that's disagreeing with you.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Fat people. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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forgive me, if i take something i have seen in real life more seriously than what some neurologist theorizes about.

It's not theory. Haven't you read the article I posted? These neurons are not theoretical. They've been seen and measured and traced. They're real things, not theories.

They evolved in humans to give us a survival edge by giving us increased appetite and allowing us to efficiently store fat for when famines occur.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Fat people. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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i WAS a fatty. (..) but there is no excuse for being disgusting.



Ah and willpower has turned you into an extremist? You're like an ex-smoker about smokers or a religious convert about atheists. People have every right to be unappealing to you. Willpower made you a hater. Thats how you got the pounds off.


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thats exactly why you should rag on them. if you shower them with assurances and let them think that its ok, then they wont ever attempt to change themselves for the better.



How about you staying the fuck out of other peoples business, instead of ragging on them, belittling them and blaming the victim?


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Re: Fat people. [Re: Asante]
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making fun of fat people does not help at all.

i agree here with wiccan seeker.

i found that encouragement and support helped cousin of mine lose all of his fattyness. all he has to work on now is the looseness of his gut.(losing weight gives you a shit ton of extra skin)


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Re: Fat people. [Re: Asante]
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These guys remind me of the knuckleheads who insist that being gay is a choice. As if someone can consciously decide which sex makes them horny and which one doesn't, then the next day use will-power to change their mind and prefer the other sex.

Genetically hard-wired neurology is not susceptible to will-power.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Fat people. [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
How about you staying the fuck out of other peoples business, instead of ragging on them, belittling them and blaming the victim?


I agree it isn't helpful to belittle other people... but fat people aren't really victims in my eyes.

Sure their condition may be the result of certain biological states, but just what makes them a victim to this more so than anyone else who doesn't have a perfect body?

Fact: you expend more energy than you take in, you lose weight (possibly unless you have some of the extremely rare and usually fatal glycogen storage diseases)

While fat people shouldn't (edit, should) be free to live their lives, that doesn't mean they get to extract sympathy from others. Most people's conditions are a result of concious choices, though these may be harder behaviors to adjust than in other people.

People should be free to live there lives as they see fit, and in turn, others can think what they want of them.

Edited by johnm214 (11/03/07 01:55 PM)

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Re: Fat people. [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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i WAS a fatty. (..) but there is no excuse for being disgusting.



Ah and willpower has turned you into an extremist? You're like an ex-smoker about smokers or a religious convert about atheists. People have every right to be unappealing to you. Willpower made you a hater. Thats how you got the pounds off.


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thats exactly why you should rag on them. if you shower them with assurances and let them think that its ok, then they wont ever attempt to change themselves for the better.



How about you staying the fuck out of other peoples business, instead of ragging on them, belittling them and blaming the victim?



Fat people are the "victim" of poor diet and lifestyle choices.

The biological explanation doesn't wash with me. Why are human beings the only species on earth dying of obesity? Evolution has pretty much ceased to affect us (everyone breeds, regardless), so it has to be behavioral.

And ragging on someone isn't going to make anything change.

Support the obese, help them get out of the house. Making fun of someone is going to make them depressed, and even less likely to seek social contact and other activities, and make them eat more.


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Re: Fat people. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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America is the fattest fucking country on earth, and it's not because we're some highly evolved species of big eaters - we're just a bunch of spoiled fat fucks who don't know how to moderate shit. It's pretty fucking simple

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Re: Fat people. [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Evolution has pretty much ceased to affect us

This isn't true. Stoopid people still die faster than smart people. And weak people die of diseases more easily than strong people. And in developing parts of the world, hunger still kills people, so these neurons are beneficial in those places and reinforced by evolution.

Be that as it may, even IF we agree for argument's sake that evolution no longer affected us, we're still an end-product of evolution that took place when food was scarce. It's only recently that food became abundant in the developed world.

The biological explanation doesn't wash with me. Why are human beings the only species on earth dying of obesity?

Because in nature, there is not usually an overabundance of food. It's for exactly this reason that these neurons evolved, in humans and lower animals too.

Give a lower animal unlimited food and these hard-wired PHYSIOLOGICAL factors kick in. Have you never seen a fat cat? :tongue:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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