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NYC bans trans fat.
#6337556 - 12/05/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the nation's first city to ban artery-clogging artificial trans fats at restaurants - from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries.
The board, which passed the ban unanimously, did give restaurants a slight break by relaxing what had been considered a tight deadline for compliance. Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of their foods by July 2008.
But restaurant industry representatives called the ban burdensome and unnecessary.
"We don't think that a municipal health agency has any business banning a product the Food and Drug Administration has already approved," said Dan Fleshler, a spokesman for the National Restaurant Association.
Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said recently that officials seriously weighed complaints from the restaurant industry, which argued that it was unrealistic to give them six months to replace cooking oils and shortening and 18 months to phase out the ingredients altogether.
The ban contains some exceptions; for instance, it would allow restaurants to serve foods that come in the manufacturer's original packaging.
Trans fats are believed to be harmful because they contribute to heart disease by raising bad cholesterol and lowering good cholesterol at the same time. Some experts say that makes trans fats worse than saturated fat.
The panel also passed another measure that has made restaurants unhappy: Some that chose to inform customers about calorie content will have to list the information right on the menu. The rule would generally apply to fast-food restaurants and other major chains.
Sheila Weiss, director of nutritional policy for the restaurant association, said the rule would be a disincentive for restaurants to provide any nutritional information.
Trans fats are formed when liquid oils are made into solid fats by adding hydrogen in a process called hydrogenation. A common example of this is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, which is used for frying and baking and turns up in processed foods like cookies, pizza dough and crackers. Trans fats, which are favored because of their long shelf life, are also found in pre-made blends like pancake and hot chocolate mix.
The FDA estimates the average American eats 4.7 pounds of trans fats each year.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who banned smoking in bars and restaurants during his first term, is somewhat health-obsessed, and even maintains a weight-loss competition with one of his friends in order to stay slim.
He has dismissed cries that New York is crossing a line by trying to legislate diets.
"Nobody wants to take away your french fries and hamburgers - I love those things, too," he said recently. "But if you can make them with something that is less damaging to your health, we should do that."
Many food makers have stopped using trans fats on their own, after the Food and Drug Administration began requiring companies to list trans fat content on labels.
Fast-food restaurants and other major chains were particularly interested in the board's decision on Tuesday, because for these companies, a trans-fat ban wouldn't just involve substituting one ingredient for another. In addition to overhauling recipes, they have to disrupt nationwide supply operations and try to convince customers that the new french fries and doughnuts will taste just as good as the originals.
Already, McDonald's Corp. (nyse: MCD - news - people ) has been quietly experimenting with more than a dozen healthier oil blends but has not committed to a full switch. At an investor conference last month, CEO Jim Skinner said the company is making "very good progress," at developing an alternative, and vowed to be ready for a New York City ban.
Wendy's International Inc. (nyse: WEN - news - people ) introduced a zero-trans fat oil in August and Yum Brands Inc.'s KFC and Taco Bell said they also will cut the trans fats from their kitchens.
Taco Bell worked for more than two years to find a substitute, conducting blind consumer taste tests and extensive research, the company said.
Chicago is also considering its own trans fat law, which wouldn't ban them outright but would severely restrict the amount that kitchens can use. The measure would apply only to large restaurants, defined as those that make more than $20 million in sales per year.
New York's move to ban trans fats has mostly been applauded by health and medical groups, although the American Heart Association warns that if restaurants aren't given ample time to make the switch, they could end up reverting to ingredients high in saturated fat, like palm oil.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337576 - 12/05/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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lame
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337608 - 12/05/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I personally try not to eat too much trans fat but come on wheres the freedom? I want it to be my choice not have some politician make decisions for me.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337757 - 12/05/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know it's healthy...
But my love of NYC just plummeted
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albino_shroom said: I personally try not to eat too much trans fat but come on wheres the freedom?
wouldnt freedom of choice be in there somwhere, I'l like to be able to choose not to use trans fats, unfortunately since so many people are using them to cook fast foods, I cant exersize that choice when I dine out.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6337809 - 12/05/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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albino_shroom said: I personally try not to eat too much trans fat but come on wheres the freedom?
wouldnt freedom of choice be in there somwhere, I'l like to be able to choose not to use trans fats, unfortunately since so many people are using them to cook fast foods, I cant exersize that choice when I dine out.
Exactly.. it's like MSG in chinese food. Some people get crazy migraines etc from it.. some don't care. Information is key, knowledge is freedom.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337827 - 12/05/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is like the smoking ban.. but worse..
Let businesses make their own decisions. If people don't agree with your product, they won't buy it! Let the free market dictate what is good and what's bad. This is annoying
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6337832 - 12/05/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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albino_shroom said: I personally try not to eat too much trans fat but come on wheres the freedom?
wouldnt freedom of choice be in there somwhere, I'l like to be able to choose not to use trans fats, unfortunately since so many people are using them to cook fast foods, I cant exersize that choice when I dine out.
Then don't dine at the places that use trans fat. And if it is true, although I highly doubt it is, that ALL fast food places use trans fat then take that as your cue to stop eating fast food. They should have the right to serve horrible quality fattening food, and you should have the right to not eat it.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: TheCow]
#6337843 - 12/05/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think his point is that we should have the right to be able to make informed decisions about what we put into our body. Hiding the real ingredients (and/or their effects) takes away that right.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337864 - 12/05/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn that's 
I can eat those foods a lot and still be skinny/healthy. I guess some unhealthy/overweight/whatever else people ruin it for everyone because they can't control themselves.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: eris]
#6337871 - 12/05/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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yep, ban genetically inferior people instead
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: unbeliever]
#6337872 - 12/05/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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When somethen baned, it's usually for the best of the people .There's going people selling fat underground,on the net.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6338003 - 12/05/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Government regulated grocery stores are common in Europe, NYC is just following what more health concious countries have been doing for years.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Ferris]
#6338006 - 12/05/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exactly. There are tons of other oils that you can deep fry your french fries in.
It's not taking away your doughnuts or candy bars. It's just eliminating a fat that is NOT needed by the body whatsoever and which is terribly unhealthy.
And before anyone spouts off about saturated fats, yes...those too are essential to the human body. Examples would be for the production of testosterone, it also strengthens nails and hair....it has alot of other uses, but I really dont want to google right now.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6338009 - 12/05/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Screw the trans fat, do we get to keep the cis fat?
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Ferris]
#6338014 - 12/05/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck that I want the choice to clog my arteries.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Boom]
#6338129 - 12/05/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Booooom said: This is like the smoking ban.. but worse..
Let businesses make their own decisions. If people don't agree with your product, they won't buy it! Let the free market dictate what is good and what's bad. This is annoying
yeah, that worked out real well
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Chazzersize said: Exactly. There are tons of other oils that you can deep fry your french fries in.
It's not taking away your doughnuts or candy bars. It's just eliminating a fat that is NOT needed by the body whatsoever and which is terribly unhealthy.
And before anyone spouts off about saturated fats, yes...those too are essential to the human body. Examples would be for the production of testosterone, it also strengthens nails and hair....it has alot of other uses, but I really dont want to google right now.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Vvellum]
#6338134 - 12/05/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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the shit is horrible for you, and also..... this will change all of the grease that is used in commercial resturants, from liquid fat shortening, and hydrogenated oils, to natural oils, and this is EXCELLENT for anyone that wants to use vegetable oil to power a car, as partially hydrogenated oil is horrible for conversions...
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Vvellum]
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: TheCow]
#6338162 - 12/05/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheCow said: Then don't dine at the places that use trans fat.
well, who uses the stuff
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barfightlard said: Fuck that I want the choice to clog my arteries.
you still can. buy the stuff from the grocery store where it's thankfully labeled. Or make some homemade trans fats.
restaurants can't label as well as the brightly colored food products can.
I think we'll be seeing a lot more of this. here in California we sure are. (schools)
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6338180 - 12/05/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trans fat is so bad that Zippo's can't make good biodiesel from it. The motor clogs like the arteries. That really says something 
I'm completely against trans-fats in anything edible. Basically all natural cis oils and fats coil their tail in a spiral. Trans fats however are straight as a spike. The number of atoms is similar, but its very different stuff.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Jenny]
#6338181 - 12/05/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jenny said: Government regulated grocery stores are common in Europe, NYC is just following what more health concious countries have been doing for years.

Two in three Americans are fatasses. I guess people can't handle certain freedoms. Don't y'all worry, there's still plenty of ways to become a fat piece of shit if that's what you want.
Should people have the freedom to buy some McCrack when they get their Big Mac? Most would say no, because the general public -- those with self-control included -- would have to deal with the consequences of large-scale abuse of that freedom.
We'll see what happens.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6338215 - 12/05/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I cared about trans fats Id probably find out, as it stands its irrelevant to me
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So do some research! It's not my problem that you don't know what you're eating.. Frequent places that start to advertise "No trans fats used" ... like chinese places that now say "No MSG"
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6338341 - 12/05/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Boom]
#6338374 - 12/05/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Booooom said: So do some research! It's not my problem that you don't know what you're eating.. Frequent places that start to advertise "No trans fats used" ... like chinese places that now say "No MSG"
I did my research. I don't eat that shit. We're talking about a policy that may make a little positive change in the lives of twelve million people. Sheep. Sheep need to be outsmarted sometimes, for the greater good.
I mean, I'm not married to the idea, but I'm not about to cry Nazi about it.
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Maybe instead of patching the problem, which is people are sheep... We should try to educate people to not be sheep.
If you want to tend sheep, your going to be running around forever, implementing one policy after another.
The better solution is to educate people to not be sheep.
People are still going to eat bad. Obesity will still be our biggest health concern. Banning one particular un-healthy food only attacks the symptom, not the cause.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: DieCommie]
#6338402 - 12/05/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, there are real problems in the world.... Like not having food.
Imagine a country so rich and so overfed that banning a food is accepted... God bless America
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: DieCommie]
#6338414 - 12/05/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree. We should abolish these tyrannical rules about rodent fecal matter along with the Trans-fat laws.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6338421 - 12/05/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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New York is the first, no way? I thought NYC was the melting pot of the country to begin with, the city of the free and freedom in general. That is really sad, people need to have the freedom to injest, smoke or do whatever they want to do with thier bodies.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: DieCommie]
#6339077 - 12/05/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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DieCommie said: Maybe instead of patching the problem, which is people are sheep... We should try to educate people to not be sheep.
If you want to tend sheep, your going to be running around forever, implementing one policy after another.
The better solution is to educate people to not be sheep.
People are still going to eat bad.
Well put, and great point.
It is situational and we skate on thin ice when we allow others to lookout for us. I'd like to see more folks with better brains, but unless you want to go preach that shit you're not going to hear the truth on tv and it is limited everywhere else.
Straight up, I'm glad they put a lock on people who kill other humans. I understand freedom, but I better understand responsibility. If someone wants to smoke dispite the evidence that it kills you, go ahead but don't bring everyone else down with you. In this case, folks is doing a good job looking out for us. Start a fucking trans fat revolution if you got a problem. best of luck
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6339085 - 12/05/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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HELL YEAH! Fuck fatties, and fuck ourselves... We all love it.. It tastes good and it feels good, BUT It's not good. Now, if new york can just cut down on corrupt cops, HEAVY AIR POLLUTION, and drug and alcohol abuse, we'll be set for the reverse of apocalypse.. Oh wait.. it too late.. People will go outside the city for their fix.. Stupid law IMO... people live and people make their own choices.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: ZippoZ]
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damn, you beat me to mentioning this. its for the same reason it is unsuitable in a fuel tank as it is in your body, it doesnt liquify at a low enough temperature. as for the banning, maybe this is a start of a nation wide trend which will take us away from using a dangerous food product just because it is a more effective preservative.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6339241 - 12/06/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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they should just ban the fat fucks, that way we can have all that transfat goodness
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correct. this is not a civil liberties issue. those who think it is are being hysterical and ignorant what transfats actually are. they act like NYC is banning eggs or some other food choice. they are not and will never.
transfats are not a food choice whatsoever. they are essentially a poison.
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I heard there was a shortage of fat for candles... why not cut off all those bellies and burn them over winter_time  Execute the Trans_Fat
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: DieCommie]
#6339641 - 12/06/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want to tend sheep, your going to be running around forever, implementing one policy after another. The better solution is to educate people to not be sheep.
I think this is part of that education. The general public's awareness of what they are putting into their bodies will improve. What method of education do you suggest? Leaflets?
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People are still going to eat bad. Obesity will still be our biggest health concern. Banning one particular un-healthy food only attacks the symptom, not the cause.
I think this is where most people miss the point. Just having less trans fat out there is not going to make people healthier; anyone who doesn't give a shit will find their dirty food somewhere else or on some other form. But creating a policy like this will IMHO result in more people giving a shit about their health.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: eris]
#6339674 - 12/06/06 07:46 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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eris said: Damn that's 
I can eat those foods a lot and still be skinny/healthy. I guess some unhealthy/overweight/whatever else people ruin it for everyone because they can't control themselves.
No and it's not even overweight people. Trans-fat isn't about weight, it's about artery cholesterol. They're trying to get rid of a product that's been proven to cause buildup of cholesterol. (Skinny people like me die from heart attacks too...)
And I'm kind of glad it's being banned by NYC. That is freedom. What freedom would it be if the city itself didn't have the choice to overrule a FDA product? That'd be like, taking all the power away from the state and saying federal jurisdiction over that is 100%. :o
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: TheCow]
#6339852 - 12/06/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I cared about trans fats Id probably find out, as it stands its irrelevant to me
You're in the process of finding out.
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Its amazing how some people approach the trans fat issue here.
Trans fats are synthetic substances that were added to food product for the sole purpose of saving the manufacturer money. Trans fats improve the consistency of food, just like some healthy products do, but because its a chemically enhanced product it does so at a lower cost to the manufacturer. On a per-product basis you won't see the lower cost - it only matters if you churn out a product by the thousands.
We are now finding out that that artificial chemical product is very unhealthy so we're now retracting the bad product. (far more harmful to the modern diet than twice its weight in lard or tallow, its less harmful to fry french fries in PURE TALLOW than it is to do it in the 40% trans fats oil) That's what this is - removal of a synthetic food additive because of health problems.
Another nutritional complaint: peanut butter!
Peanutbutter used to be peanuts with a pinch of salt that were ground into a paste and sold. Delicious. Thats the peanutbutter our parents ate.
Nowadays most of the time this happens:
Peanuts are squeezed out of their peanut oil, which is a valuable vegetable oil. What's left is a powdery mass of defatted squeezed-out peanut pulp, which is next to worthless. Then they take the cheapest vegetable oil they can find, chemically treated to remove its unwholesome odor and flavor and which often contains trans-fats, which has nothing to do with peanuts, they stir the peanut crud into it and they call THAT peanut butter. And they add a bit of sugar because peanut oil is sweet and their fake oil is not. Check the label of your own jar: that's what your eating. It's got nothing to do with real peanut butter anymore, and all this because they can make an extra buck if they sell the oil separately, by directly hollowing out the quality of your product. And now tell me, is our fake peanutbutter that much cheaper on the consumer level than its weight in whole peanuts?
Health food stores often carry "real" peanutbutter. If you like the stuff buy one of those jars to see what you're missing out on, it's that much better.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Asante]
#6340502 - 12/06/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said:
Two in three Americans are fatasses. I guess people can't handle certain freedoms. Don't y'all worry, there's still plenty of ways to become a fat piece of shit if that's what you want.
So true.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Asante]
#6340578 - 12/06/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I buy Laura Scudders peanut butter, why? Because I like to taste peanuts as Im eating my peanut butter. See thats an informed consumer choice about which products I will buy. When I go out to KFC, and get some chicken I know it is bad for me, yet I buy it anyways. That is because I am my own person who can make such choices, it is not for the government to say that I cant do this. Similarly when I buy drugs, I know they are all bad for me yet I do it anyways, I dont need the government thinking they know what is objectively best for me. There is no objectively best, pleasure vs. life its up to the person. And sure I realize using a different oil would probably taste pretty similar, I just do not like the idea of being forced by the government to have to change in any way.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: TheCow]
#6340899 - 12/06/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I cant fucking believe that you cant even eat the foods you want to anymore. Common what the fuck is going on here? you get fat fucks that cry and sue because they cant stop shoving food into there fat fucking mouths and they have to ruin it for the rest of us. Does anyone miss the supersize fry and Mc.D's?? Pretty soon you'r gonna have to get checked out by a doctor and be given a lisense before you can buy a bag of potato chips.
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You can east all the foods you ussually do and like in NYC. The only thing is that restaurants/backeries have to go back to using natural fats instead of the man made trans fat.
You can still buy trans fats in stores there, like crisco and cook with them.
You can still eat toats for example. The only difference is, you'll get butter instead of crisco on it.
Bacon and meat cooks in its own fats.
The difference is, fries will be deep fried in a natural vegetable oil instead of one loaded with the man made, trans fat. Fries, come out equally crispy and good tasty using either. The only difference is with using a trans fat, it can sit longer and remain crispier longer.
The only difference is, the food now served in NY restaurants, will have more nutritional value per calorie then it did and be fresher.
You can still buy man made (only kind there is) trans fat in stores to cook with there if you want too. Trans fat itself wasn't made illegal in NYC.
You can buy and eat a can of Crisco in central park legally if you want too.
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Either way a shop should not be forced to change the way they do buisness, if people dont like it than they can find a shop that will fufill thier wants. I would at least agree with both shops puting up posters stating what ingrediants they put in thier food, so as not to confuse people, But people overall should have the freedom of choice. If somone wants to eat themselves silly with unhealthy foods than they should have the right to do so. It's really not that big of a deal but where does it end? When everyone is srouting brocoli from thier ears...?
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