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OfflineChickenPotPie
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5913643 - 07/30/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Not to start an argument with you cowgirl, but you know the reason I don't buy that argument? Show me ONE picture of a person in a death camp or who has been a POW and is overweight from ANY source, and I'll find a million pictures of dead jews and GI's from around the world who perished in military camps, whom are nothing but skin and bones at their death. What about the africans? They must feel some pressure, yet obesity is far from their main concern. Is there anyone under more stress than these folks?? And for the record, I graduated at a 29 inch waist, got up to a 39 1/4 inch by 21, and now carry a 29-30 on average. So I've lived all ends. Born skinny, got fat by way of gluttony, live skinny by way of lifestyle.


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OfflineChickenPotPie
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: ChickenPotPie]
    #5913653 - 07/30/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The only fats a human can store for later use are plant fats. Cooked animal fats cannot be transformed into energy except by way of the human body using its own enzymes. Again, most of what we call "fat" is actually impaction and salt retention.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5913656 - 07/30/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Damn I didn't mean to over load this thread... I was just responding as I read. Anyhow,I figure I should close before I go to bed.

I'm overweight. I'm over weight because I like food. I don't over eat but I do eat and I don't excersize as much as I should anymore. No ones fault... just a fact of life.
As for the simple solutions that many of you have posed... Its not that trivial. End of story.

I don't think I could say it better than Wiccan_Seeker...
"Obesity if it poses a problem, which it often does, is a bad thing. An equally bad thing is it to generalize it and then blame and guilttrip people for their problems, as often there literally is no cure, only a means to try keep it from escalating further.
It is a very complex problem which defies simplification, and is burdened with a social stigma which often is undeserved."


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: ChickenPotPie]
    #5913667 - 07/30/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No arguements here. You are absolutly correct. My only reasoning for that would be that you arn't going to be heavy or gain weight from stress if your starving to death. What I'm trying to say is that people who eat a healthy diet everyday will gain weight if put under alot of stress. Thats not to say that someone who hasn't eaten in days and when they do eat it has no nutrional value.

By the way a 39 waist does not a fatty make :smile:

I hope everyone knows I'm not trying to pick a fight. There are so many sides to this. I'm just trying to get my point across.

Edited because I'm tired and spacey :smile:
I didn't realize that plant fat versus animal fat thing... You learn something new everyday huh?


Edited by DrunkenCowgirl (07/30/06 12:49 AM)


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5913708 - 07/30/06 01:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Here is my own story with fat. Just because I'm drinking tea until 2 and then I'm going to go write. So I'm killing time for fifteen minutes. I don't care about other people's weight, but I do care a hell of a lot about mine.

Three years ago, I didn't leave the apartment and I ate whatever the fuck I wanted. I made no effort to eat healthy foods. Fast food all the time. In fact, I couldn't resist temptation of buying foods I KNEW were bad for me. I would eat because I was bored, or lonely or whatever. Emotional problems. I'd eat, then feel horrible about all the crap I ate, and then eat more to counsol myself. I knew I was getting bigger, but it didn't hit home until I saw a pic of myself. I wanted to burn it, and then throw myself along in the fire. Then people started making hurtful comments. I thought my "pretty days" were done and over. I started cutting myself AGAIN because I hated my body so much. Hated. It. But still, I didn't change my diet and I didn't leave the apartment. Didn't exercise.

I started to trip a lot on shrooms, and I realized that I needed to take better care of myself. I saw I needed to change in order to be happy. So I started. For over a year, I didn't touch fried food. I exercised. And I lost weight, since exercising and eating right works for me. My biggest problem is consistancy. I eventually reach a plateau with my weight and have to step it up to lose any more. It's been a slowwwww process, but gradually, now that I'm 23, I'm reshaping my body into something I can live with. I know if I just keep it up, things will get better and better for me and my body.

The thing is...I really don't care about fat people. I just don't want to be overweight, personally. I want to be fit. In shape. I want to be able to see my muscles (like when I was 18 and had a six pack) and think, "hey, I look good," when I'm looking in the mirror. I'm not to THAT point yet, but I like myself more and more everyday, and it's all due to eating right and exercising. Really guys...good diet and exercise has saved/is saving my life. I'm busy as shit, but I owe it to myself to haul my ass on the treadmill or hit the bike trails everyday. I owe it to my vessel, my body. My machine.

So I don't know. I just felt like typing this out. Because for the time that I was honestly fat, I hated myself and I was stuck in this loop of not doing anything about it. So I owe it to shrooms for helping me CHOOSE to be healthier.

Like, I still have a ways to go before I'll streak naked downtown. But you can bet when I reach my goal weight, I'll be whooping it up and getting naked every chance I get.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: MOTH]
    #5913862 - 07/30/06 02:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

EllemyshShade said:The thing is...I really don't care about fat people. I just don't want to be overweight, personally.




That's how I am. I have a feeling that is how most people are. :shrug:



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Re: Fat Americans [Re: theuser]
    #5914553 - 07/30/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Something I just googled FYI. From HERE

I dont know if I agree with everything written, but It's more infor noe the less.

Also, before reading, understand that I am 6' 170 and despise the "American diet" of high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oil as well as the sedentary/lazy lifestyle exhibited by many Americans...


What Causes Obesity?
In scientific terms, obesity occurs when a person's calorie intake exceeds the amount of energy he or she burns. What causes this imbalance between consuming and burning calories is unclear. Evidence suggests that obesity often has more than one cause. Genetic, environmental, psychological, and other factors all may play a part.
Genetic Factors


Obesity tends to run in families, suggesting that it may have a genetic cause. However, family members share not only genes but also diet and lifestyle habits that may contribute to obesity. Separating these lifestyle factors from genetic ones is often difficult. Still, growing evidence points to heredity as a strong determining factor of obesity. In one study of adults who were adopted as children, researchers found that the subjects' adult weights were closer to their biological parents' weights than their adoptive parents'. The environment provided by the adoptive family apparently had less influence on the development of obesity than the person's genetic makeup.

Nevertheless, people who feel that their genes have doomed them to a lifetime of obesity should take heart. As discussed in the next section, many people genetically predisposed to obesity do not become obese or manage to lose weight and keep it off.

Environmental Factors


Although genes are an important factor in many cases of obesity, a person's environment also plays a significant part. Environment includes lifestyle behaviors such as what a person eats and how active he or she is. Americans tend to have high-fat diets, often putting taste and convenience ahead of nutritional content when choosing meals. Most Americans also don't get enough exercise.

People can't change their genetic makeup, of course, but they can change what they eat and how active they are. Some people have been able to lose weight and keep it off by:


Learning how to choose more nutritious meals that are lower in fat.
Learning to recognize environmental cues (such as enticing smells) that may make them want to eat when they are not hungry.
Becoming more physically active.

Psychological Factors

Psychological factors also may influence eating habits. Many people eat in response to negative emotions such as boredom, sadness, or anger.

While most overweight people have no more psychological disturbance than normalweight people, about 30 percent of the people who seek treatment for serious weight problems have difficulties with binge eating. During a binge eating episode, people eat large amounts of food while feeling they can't control how much they are eating. Those with the most severe binge eating problems are considered to have binge eating disorder. These people may have more difficulty losing weight and keeping the weight off than people without binge eating problems. Some will need special help, such as counseling or medication, to control their binge eating before they can successfully manage their weight.

Other Causes of Obesity


Some rare illnesses can cause obesity. These include hypothyroidism, Cushing's syndrome, depression, and certain neurologic problems that can lead to overeating. Certain drugs, such as steroids and some antidepressants, may cause excessive weight gain. A doctor can determine if a patient has any of these conditions, which are believed to be responsible for only about 1 percent of all cases of obesity.


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What Are the Consequences of Obesity?
Health Risks

Obesity is not just a cosmetic problem. It's a health hazard. Someone who is 40 percent overweight is twice as likely to die prematurely as an average-weight person. (This effect is seen after 10 to 30 years of being obese.)

Obesity has been linked to several serious medical conditions, including diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, and stroke. It is also associated with higher rates of certain types of cancer. Obese men are more likely than nonobese men to die from cancer of the colon, rectum, and prostate. Obese women are more likely than nonobese women to die from cancer of the gallbladder, breast, uterus, cervix, and ovaries.

Other diseases and health problems linked to obesity include:

Gallbladder disease and gallstones.
Osteoarthritis, a disease in which the joints deteriorate, possibly as a result of excess weight on the joints.
Gout, another disease affecting the joints
Pulmonary (breathing) problems, including sleep apnea, in which a person can stop breathing for a short time during sleep.
Doctors generally agree that the more obese a person is, the more likely he or she is to have health problems.
Psychological and Social Effects


One of the most painful aspects of obesity may be the emotional suffering it causes. American society places great emphasis on physical appearance, often equating attractiveness with slimness, especially in women. The messages, intended or not, make overweight people feel unattractive. Many people assume that obese people are gluttonous, lazy, or both. However, more and more evidence contradicts this assumption. Obese people often face prejudice or discrimination at work, at school, while looking for a job, and in social situations. Feelings of rejection, shame, or depression are common.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5914563 - 07/30/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There was an article in todays paper, talking about obese kids today.
Saying that were not afraid to point it out to obese adults,
but we wont say the same thing to kids. :flowstone:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5914722 - 07/30/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
"It's a question of money," Drewnowski said. "The reason healthier diets are beyond the reach of many people is that such diets cost more. On a per calorie basis, diets composed of whole grains, fish, and fresh vegetables and fruit are far more expensive than refined grains, added sugars and added fats. It's not a question of being sensible or silly when it comes to food choices, it's about being limited to those foods that you can afford."




I call bullshit on that quote from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. I can cook up a huge pot of jambalaya, probably enough to feed me for nearly a week, for less than the cost of a McDonalds or Burger King meal. Same with Chinese food, I can cook up a huge wok full of chow mein for way less than takeaway food. Both of these dishes are tasty and nutritious.

At the end of the day it comes down to sheer lazyness, people can't be bothered to prepare their own food so they live off junk food.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5914733 - 07/30/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunatly lack of education(ignorance) plays a big role as well.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5914742 - 07/30/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just dont see how people say they cant lose weight. I mean, if your comfortable with your weight, thats cool, more power to you! I just dont understand people who are like..."Man, I'm so fat, I wish I could do something."

Like the above snippet of an article states, if you consume less calories than you expend, you will lose weight! ITs that easy! Decent diet + Exercise = WEIGHT LOSS.

Guaranteed. No fancy machines or pills or supplements. Just run and eat veggies.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5914795 - 07/30/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think I'm going to go get some taco bell. God, ultimate chulupas taste good.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: theuser]
    #5914856 - 07/30/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This post is exausting. It literally makes my fat ass want to get something to eat.
BRB


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5928841 - 08/03/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

(btw, i found this on craigslist)

oh dear god not this fibromybullshit crap again

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Date: 2006-08-03, 1:48PM CDT


Lazy fat people
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Date: 2006-08-03, 1:17PM CDT


Mostly I'm apathetic to fat people, but sometimes I really want to throw them in a gym and take away their extra large DIET cokes(for some reason this is the current diet of every overweight person coming through the eating establishment I manage.) Drinking twice as much of something "diet" doesn't help...DUH. Every day I have to give pardon to you and any old decrepit person who feels the need to sit where I'm sitting. Why? Because I look young and seemingly healthy. Guess what- looks are decieving. You know what else isn't always what it appears? That fat lady everyone is whining about being lazy-who knows whats wrong with her? Really? I remember that every time I want to berate a heifer.
Growing up my mother was pretty overweight in varying states of walking throughout my adolescence: from wheelchair to cane to bedrest to unconscious on her way to the emergency room. What caused her weight gain? Try 6 miscarriages. Yes. 6. After the 6th they adopted my brother then 2 years later by miracle and c-section I was born. Now do you blame my mother for being overweight? Add to that Osteoarthritis. Now look ten years down the line as her spine is brittle and falling apart as she has 4 back surgeries, 1 emergency back surgery and two replaced knees....how hard is it to exercise when you're in recovery half your life?
To the person stating they really need the exercise because it is part of their treatment...Yes, yes they do, BUT extra walking on hard uneven concrete isn't always the best form of exercise. In many cases it could be one of the worst things to overdo. In my case, I suffer from Rheumatoid arthritis and Fibromyalgia. More exercise does nothing but imflame my pain and leave me bed-ridden, the wrong kind of exercise leaves me in bed for several days. Luckily I have been able to maintain a somewhat steady weight(never have I been more than 15 lbs "overweight") because I had myself diagnosed at a very young age(15). Everyone isn't always so lucky.
Can I get a handicapped tag? no. No matter the horror stories of veteran fibromyalgia sufferers, and the fact that I am doomed to be bedridden in about 20 or so years(I'm only in my 20s now).
Can my mother get SSI? NO. NEVER. No matter the number of times she filed or how legitimate her need is.
You never know what someones real problems are unless you know them. Quit assuming fat people always have a choice. And don't assume every seemingly healthy person with a handicap tag is borrowing it from their grandma.
Appreciate your own health in whatever degree of it you actually have and don't whine about a few extra steps to the store to buy your junk food.



>>>you are a liar and a faker, and full of shit, and as the other person put it, we already established that 10% were not lazy, so shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down and quit being a goddamn burden on society with your fucking made up fibromybullshit disease.

for fucks sake.


this is in or around LIAR

no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests




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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5928880 - 08/03/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

obese people are all like  :fatbastard:
and Im all like  :scream:


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