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Kerbouchard
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I heard there was a shortage of fat for candles... why not cut off all those bellies and burn them over winter_time  Execute the Trans_Fat
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WhiskeyClone
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: DieCommie]
#6339641 - 12/06/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want to tend sheep, your going to be running around forever, implementing one policy after another. The better solution is to educate people to not be sheep.
I think this is part of that education. The general public's awareness of what they are putting into their bodies will improve. What method of education do you suggest? Leaflets?
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People are still going to eat bad. Obesity will still be our biggest health concern. Banning one particular un-healthy food only attacks the symptom, not the cause.
I think this is where most people miss the point. Just having less trans fat out there is not going to make people healthier; anyone who doesn't give a shit will find their dirty food somewhere else or on some other form. But creating a policy like this will IMHO result in more people giving a shit about their health.
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Maverick
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: eris]
#6339674 - 12/06/06 07:46 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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eris said: Damn that's 
I can eat those foods a lot and still be skinny/healthy. I guess some unhealthy/overweight/whatever else people ruin it for everyone because they can't control themselves.
No and it's not even overweight people. Trans-fat isn't about weight, it's about artery cholesterol. They're trying to get rid of a product that's been proven to cause buildup of cholesterol. (Skinny people like me die from heart attacks too...)
And I'm kind of glad it's being banned by NYC. That is freedom. What freedom would it be if the city itself didn't have the choice to overrule a FDA product? That'd be like, taking all the power away from the state and saying federal jurisdiction over that is 100%. :o
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Asante
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: TheCow]
#6339852 - 12/06/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I cared about trans fats Id probably find out, as it stands its irrelevant to me
You're in the process of finding out.
TGIW - Thank God Its Wikipedia
Its amazing how some people approach the trans fat issue here.
Trans fats are synthetic substances that were added to food product for the sole purpose of saving the manufacturer money. Trans fats improve the consistency of food, just like some healthy products do, but because its a chemically enhanced product it does so at a lower cost to the manufacturer. On a per-product basis you won't see the lower cost - it only matters if you churn out a product by the thousands.
We are now finding out that that artificial chemical product is very unhealthy so we're now retracting the bad product. (far more harmful to the modern diet than twice its weight in lard or tallow, its less harmful to fry french fries in PURE TALLOW than it is to do it in the 40% trans fats oil) That's what this is - removal of a synthetic food additive because of health problems.
Another nutritional complaint: peanut butter!
Peanutbutter used to be peanuts with a pinch of salt that were ground into a paste and sold. Delicious. Thats the peanutbutter our parents ate.
Nowadays most of the time this happens:
Peanuts are squeezed out of their peanut oil, which is a valuable vegetable oil. What's left is a powdery mass of defatted squeezed-out peanut pulp, which is next to worthless. Then they take the cheapest vegetable oil they can find, chemically treated to remove its unwholesome odor and flavor and which often contains trans-fats, which has nothing to do with peanuts, they stir the peanut crud into it and they call THAT peanut butter. And they add a bit of sugar because peanut oil is sweet and their fake oil is not. Check the label of your own jar: that's what your eating. It's got nothing to do with real peanut butter anymore, and all this because they can make an extra buck if they sell the oil separately, by directly hollowing out the quality of your product. And now tell me, is our fake peanutbutter that much cheaper on the consumer level than its weight in whole peanuts?
Health food stores often carry "real" peanutbutter. If you like the stuff buy one of those jars to see what you're missing out on, it's that much better.
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Vvellum
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Asante]
#6340502 - 12/06/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said:
Two in three Americans are fatasses. I guess people can't handle certain freedoms. Don't y'all worry, there's still plenty of ways to become a fat piece of shit if that's what you want.
So true.
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TheCow
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Asante]
#6340578 - 12/06/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I buy Laura Scudders peanut butter, why? Because I like to taste peanuts as Im eating my peanut butter. See thats an informed consumer choice about which products I will buy. When I go out to KFC, and get some chicken I know it is bad for me, yet I buy it anyways. That is because I am my own person who can make such choices, it is not for the government to say that I cant do this. Similarly when I buy drugs, I know they are all bad for me yet I do it anyways, I dont need the government thinking they know what is objectively best for me. There is no objectively best, pleasure vs. life its up to the person. And sure I realize using a different oil would probably taste pretty similar, I just do not like the idea of being forced by the government to have to change in any way.
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DaturaEnigma
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: TheCow]
#6340899 - 12/06/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I cant fucking believe that you cant even eat the foods you want to anymore. Common what the fuck is going on here? you get fat fucks that cry and sue because they cant stop shoving food into there fat fucking mouths and they have to ruin it for the rest of us. Does anyone miss the supersize fry and Mc.D's?? Pretty soon you'r gonna have to get checked out by a doctor and be given a lisense before you can buy a bag of potato chips.
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gettinjiggywithit
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You can east all the foods you ussually do and like in NYC. The only thing is that restaurants/backeries have to go back to using natural fats instead of the man made trans fat.
You can still buy trans fats in stores there, like crisco and cook with them.
You can still eat toats for example. The only difference is, you'll get butter instead of crisco on it.
Bacon and meat cooks in its own fats.
The difference is, fries will be deep fried in a natural vegetable oil instead of one loaded with the man made, trans fat. Fries, come out equally crispy and good tasty using either. The only difference is with using a trans fat, it can sit longer and remain crispier longer.
The only difference is, the food now served in NY restaurants, will have more nutritional value per calorie then it did and be fresher.
You can still buy man made (only kind there is) trans fat in stores to cook with there if you want too. Trans fat itself wasn't made illegal in NYC.
You can buy and eat a can of Crisco in central park legally if you want too.
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DaturaEnigma
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Either way a shop should not be forced to change the way they do buisness, if people dont like it than they can find a shop that will fufill thier wants. I would at least agree with both shops puting up posters stating what ingrediants they put in thier food, so as not to confuse people, But people overall should have the freedom of choice. If somone wants to eat themselves silly with unhealthy foods than they should have the right to do so. It's really not that big of a deal but where does it end? When everyone is srouting brocoli from thier ears...?
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